Birthright Citizenship is Teed Up Again

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Are they?

Your interpretation boils down to "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States" All you have to do is be born in the United States to be a citizen, right?

Your interpretation makes the entire phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" superfluous. The most basic tenet of statutory interpretation is that words in a law have meaning. In your interpretation, those words have absolutely no meaning.

That phrase separates diplomats and their families from those granted birthright citizenship. It is critical rather than superfluous. Diplomat's children are not granted citizenship. They are the exception to the rule. They have to be mentioned as not being subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

I appreciate your attempt at reasoning, but alas, you are wrong still.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again ??? Plessy interpreted "equal protection under the law" to include "separate but equal" 70 years later, Brown said they got that interpretation wrong. No change to the wording of the 14th was necessary

Plessy was under the color of slavery. The 14th Amendment changed that too, in case you didn't know. There was no 14th Amendment under Plessy. Brown invoked the 14th amendment. Plessy has nothing to do with the 14th amendment. Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing yet again.

 

[Rawley]

That phrase separates diplomats and their families from those granted birthright citizenship. It is critical rather than superfluous. Diplomat's children are not granted citizenship. They are the exception to the rule. They have to be mentioned as not being subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

?? As you said, the exceptions for diplomats are dealt with in treaties and agreements. Why would they have included it in a Constitutional Amendment?

I appreciate your attempt at reasoning, but alas, you are wrong still.

Backatcha

 

[Rawley]

Plessy was under the color of slavery. The 14th Amendment changed that too, in case you didn't know. There was no 14th Amendment under Plessy. Brown invoked the 14th amendment. Plessy has nothing to do with the 14th amendment. Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing yet again.

Not pardoned. Ignorant, arrogant and insulting not a good way to go through life.

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[Robert W]

Not pardoned. Ignorant, arrogant and insulting not a good way to go through life.

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I have a suggestion for every person posting.
Can we start reading replies that do not talk bad about those we reply to?
What Rawley said is true.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

?? As you said, the exceptions for diplomats are dealt with in treaties and agreements. Why would they have included it in a Constitutional Amendment?

Backatcha

Birthright citizenship is not covered in treaties because the 14th stated that as an exception. You can't exclude an exception in an amendment, or the whole amendment would be useless. Giving a diplomat's child citizenship is unconstitutional because of that amendment.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I have a suggestion for every person posting.
Can we start reading replies that do not talk bad about those we reply to?
What Rawley said is true.

It is true that he can insult me in return? I thought I was being very polite in pointing out the fact he has no clue as to the history he is misrepresenting.

Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is,

 

[Rawley]

It is true that he can insult me in return? I thought I was being very polite in pointing out the fact he has no clue as to the history he is misrepresenting.

Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is,

QED

 

[Mac-7]

It is true that he can insult me in return? I thought I was being very polite in pointing out the fact he has no clue as to the history he is misrepresenting.

Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is,

I think modesty is your best quality

 

[Robert W]

It is true that he can insult me in return? I thought I was being very polite in pointing out the fact he has no clue as to the history he is misrepresenting.

Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is,

I think you understand why I posted the remark. It applies to all who insult you. Arrogance can be interpreted in a way that is not an insult. I believe you for instance are very educated. I find your posts are very tactful and important.

 

[Robert W]

Not pardoned. Ignorant, arrogant and insulting not a good way to go through life.

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I would have criticized Rawley except he did not name a party. He simply made a statement and I for one think it could be said better, at least it was not naming a party.
Admiral Rockwell Tory is not ignorant at all. I do not believe he is arrogant. I don't see his posts as designed to insult.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think modesty is your best quality

Thank you. I wish I could say the same for you!

 

[Rawley]

I would have criticized Rawley except he did not name a party. He simply made a statement and I for one think it could be said better, at least it was not naming a party.
Admiral Rockwell Tory is not ignorant at all.

Plessey interpreted the 14th amendment 30 years after it's ratification

Rockwell ignorantly and arrogantly claimed

"Plessy was under the color of slavery. The 14th Amendment changed that too, in case you didn't know. There was no 14th Amendment under Plessy. Brown invoked the 14th amendment. Plessy has nothing to do with the 14th amendment.

I do not believe he is arrogant. I don't see his posts as designed to insult.

"Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing yet again."
"Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is"

You don't find that arrogant or insulting? Really?

 

[Robert W]

Rockwell ignorantly and arrogantly claimed

This is why I commented to not talk that way.
Truth is truth. Truth is not arrogant. Ignorance means one does not know.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

But they cant deport the kid

That makes them an anchor that someday can benefit the parents too

So. The kid is a citizen. That can't be changed.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Plessey interpreted the 14th amendment 30 years after it's ratification

Rockwell ignorantly and arrogantly claimed

"Plessy was under the color of slavery. The 14th Amendment changed that too, in case you didn't know. There was no 14th Amendment under Plessy. Brown invoked the 14th amendment. Plessy has nothing to do with the 14th amendment.




"Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing yet again."
"Besides, I am not arrogant. I am just more educated than he is"

You don't find that arrogant or insulting? Really?

You are claiming about being insulted or subject to another's arrogance? You are complaining?

 

[Robert W]

"Pardon me, but your ignorance of history is showing yet again."

You don't find that arrogant or insulting? Really?

I get your point. But it changes how people talk. It creates a hell of a mess and my only aim is to keep reading your posts along with his and not dealing with snark at all. I want to know your views and also Admiral Tory's.

Pardon me really defines his feelings. Ignorance happens all the time and I also am ignorant about a lot of things. IT is not an insult to say to me that I am ignorant.

 

[Robert W]

So. The kid is a citizen. That can't be changed.

John, why don't you think the constitution can be amended?

 

[Rawley]

I get your point. But it changes how people talk. It creates a hell of a mess and my only aim is to keep reading your posts along with his and not dealing with snark at all. I want to know your views and also Admiral Tory's.

Pardon me really defines his feelings. Ignorance happens all the time and I also am ignorant about a lot of things. IT is not an insult to say to me that I am ignorant.

It is an insult if you are 100% right and the speaker is the the one that is ignorant.

 

[Rawley]

You are claiming about being insulted or subject to another's arrogance? You are complaining?

Yup