VOTE: Should a child born on US soil automatically be a US citizen?

[meaner gene]

Does the 14th say anything about illegals crossing our borders? NOPE

it said citizens already here, like brought here, you know slaves......

wrote in 1866. not 1966. they had no idea the USA would become a beacon for
free loaders

democrats exploit the poor wording choice at that time for illegals to vote

the SC can't amend it but they can interpret it better for what it was designed for

Actually you struck a interpretive note.
There were illegals in this country at the time.
As you mentioned offspring of legally imported slaves descendants became citizens.
But you didn't look at the descendants of slaves and their descendants illegally imported. The importer was subject to fines, penalties and confiscation of the illegal imports.
Those slaves were no different than modern day foreign citizens illegally smuggled into the US.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Does the 14th say anything about illegals crossing our borders? NOPE

it said citizens already here, like brought here, you know slaves......

wrote in 1866. not 1966. they had no idea the USA would become a beacon for
free loaders

democrats exploit the poor wording choice at that time for illegals to vote

the SC can't amend it but they can interpret it better for what it was designed for

So you want another imagined right like in Roe v. Wade that created a right to abortion out of thin air? There were no illegals in 1866, were there? Change the Constitution by amendment, or leave it as is. That is what SCOTUS is going to rule. Mark my words.

 

[meaner gene]

So you want another imagined right like in Roe v. Wade that created a right to abortion out of thin air? There were no illegals in 1866, were there? Change the Constitution by amendment, or leave it as is. That is what SCOTUS is going to rule. Mark my words.

Actually there were people illegally smuggled into the US at the time of the 14th amendment. And their offspring became citizens under the 14th.

Let me remind you: Historians estimate that approximately 50,000 to over 1,000,000 enslaved people were illegally imported into the United States after Congress banned the importation of slaves in 1808.

These slaves had the same status as anyone illegally smuggled into the US would have today.

 

[egp320i]

Actually you struck a interpretive note.
There were illegals in this country at the time.
As you mentioned offspring of legally imported slaves descendants became citizens.
But you didn't look at the descendants of slaves and their descendants illegally imported. The importer was subject to fines, penalties and confiscation of the illegal imports.
Those slaves were no different than modern day foreign citizens illegally smuggled into the US.

true but they were bought here to work and it was legal
hiring a coyote to slip a pregnant woman into the USA is unlawful

that should be the interpretation of the 14, this is not 1866 anymore

thing have changed quite a lot

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

true but they were bought here to work and it was legal
hiring a coyote to slip a pregnant woman into the USA is unlawful

that should be the interpretation of the 14, this is not 1866 anymore

thing have changed quite a lot

But the 14th doesn't say that. does it?