VOTE: Should a child born on US soil automatically be a US citizen?

[meaner gene]

Does the 14th say anything about illegals crossing our borders? NOPE

it said citizens already here, like brought here, you know slaves......

wrote in 1866. not 1966. they had no idea the USA would become a beacon for
free loaders

democrats exploit the poor wording choice at that time for illegals to vote

the SC can't amend it but they can interpret it better for what it was designed for

Actually you struck a interpretive note.
There were illegals in this country at the time.
As you mentioned offspring of legally imported slaves descendants became citizens.
But you didn't look at the descendants of slaves and their descendants illegally imported. The importer was subject to fines, penalties and confiscation of the illegal imports.
Those slaves were no different than modern day foreign citizens illegally smuggled into the US.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Does the 14th say anything about illegals crossing our borders? NOPE

it said citizens already here, like brought here, you know slaves......

wrote in 1866. not 1966. they had no idea the USA would become a beacon for
free loaders

democrats exploit the poor wording choice at that time for illegals to vote

the SC can't amend it but they can interpret it better for what it was designed for

So you want another imagined right like in Roe v. Wade that created a right to abortion out of thin air? There were no illegals in 1866, were there? Change the Constitution by amendment, or leave it as is. That is what SCOTUS is going to rule. Mark my words.

 

[meaner gene]

So you want another imagined right like in Roe v. Wade that created a right to abortion out of thin air? There were no illegals in 1866, were there? Change the Constitution by amendment, or leave it as is. That is what SCOTUS is going to rule. Mark my words.

Actually there were people illegally smuggled into the US at the time of the 14th amendment. And their offspring became citizens under the 14th.

Let me remind you: Historians estimate that approximately 50,000 to over 1,000,000 enslaved people were illegally imported into the United States after Congress banned the importation of slaves in 1808.

These slaves had the same status as anyone illegally smuggled into the US would have today.

 

[egp320i]

Actually you struck a interpretive note.
There were illegals in this country at the time.
As you mentioned offspring of legally imported slaves descendants became citizens.
But you didn't look at the descendants of slaves and their descendants illegally imported. The importer was subject to fines, penalties and confiscation of the illegal imports.
Those slaves were no different than modern day foreign citizens illegally smuggled into the US.

true but they were bought here to work and it was legal
hiring a coyote to slip a pregnant woman into the USA is unlawful

that should be the interpretation of the 14, this is not 1866 anymore

thing have changed quite a lot

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

true but they were bought here to work and it was legal
hiring a coyote to slip a pregnant woman into the USA is unlawful

that should be the interpretation of the 14, this is not 1866 anymore

thing have changed quite a lot

But the 14th doesn't say that. does it?

 

[meaner gene]

true but they were bought here to work and it was legal
hiring a coyote to slip a pregnant woman into the USA is unlawful

that should be the interpretation of the 14, this is not 1866 anymore

thing have changed quite a lot

What you seem to have missed is it's no different smuggling negros into the US illegally, than it is smuggling mexicans into the US illegally.

People have been illegally smuggling humans into the US for hundreds of years.
And whether 1866 or 1966, the children of those illegals born in the US, became citizens by the 14th amendment.

 

[meaner gene]

Can anyone show the difference between a negro illegally smuggled into the US for chattel slavery, would have a different legal status than a Mexican illegally smuggled into the US for sexual slavery?
As far as their status as legal or illegal entrants into the country.

 

[TNHarley]

If the parents of the child is not citizens then no. It is retarded to think that is what was meant, especially if you read the debates over this amendment.
How many other countries do this stupid ass stuff?

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

If the parents of the child is not citizens then no. It is retarded to think that is what was meant, especially if you read the debates over this amendment.
How many other countries do this stupid ass stuff?

How many other countries do this...?

Enough

 

[TNHarley]

How many other countries do this...?

Enough

Name one

 

[Martin Eden Mercury]

Name one

If you're that clueless about it all, stop commenting then do a search.

 

[meaner gene]

If the parents of the child is not citizens then no. It is retarded to think that is what was meant, especially if you read the debates over this amendment.
How many other countries do this stupid ass stuff?

None of the negro slaves, for which the 14th was written were citizens.

The 14th was clearly written to make the offspring of those non-citizens, to be citizens of the US.

 

[TNHarley]

If you're that clueless about it all, stop commenting then do a search.

That's what I figured.

 

[TNHarley]

None of the negro slaves, for which the 14th was written were citizens.

The 14th was clearly written to make the offspring of those non-citizens, to be citizens of the US.

And that was talked about in the debates

 

[meaner gene]

And that was talked about in the debates

So clearly the children of non-citizens had birthright citizenship.

 

[TNHarley]

So clearly the children of non-citizens had birthright citizenship.

Not according to the debates. The intent was made clear.

 

[meaner gene]

Not according to the debates. The intent was made clear.

The debates are not logical.
If negro non-citizens children had birthright citizenship, how could they argue that today's non-citizens aren't similarly covered by the 14th amendment.
The words and the intent are clear, that citizenship status of the parents is not a factor.

 

[TNHarley]

The debates are not logical.
If negro non-citizens children had birthright citizenship, how could they argue that today's non-citizens aren't similarly covered by the 14th amendment.
The words and the intent are clear, that citizenship status of the parents is not a factor.

So you completely ignore what that amendment was actually about. And then argue against it. Ok.

 

[meaner gene]

So you completely ignore what that amendment was actually about. And then argue against it. Ok.

Ratified in 1868, the 14th Amendment granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the US—including formerly enslaved people—and guaranteed all citizens equal protection and due process under the law. It overturned the Dred Scott decision, applied the Bill of Rights to states, and prohibited insurrectionists from holding office.

 

[JoeB131]

New poll up.

VOTE: Should a child born on US soil automatically be a US citizen?

Should a child born on U.S. soil automatically be a U.S. citizen?

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No is currently at 74%.

There is no such thing as an anchor baby loophole. I believe as more people look at the nuts and bolts of the 14th Amendment they are seeing that it does not allow foreigner's kids born on US soil automatic citizenship.

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The Supreme COurt said otherwise in Wong v. US, and they are about to say it again for the hard of hearing.