Birthright Citizenship is Teed Up Again

[Mac-7]

This racist fever dream is not going to happen. It's not the first time racists have complained about this, and it won't be the last.

Your anti American bias is showing

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your anti American bias is showing

I'm not the one trying to kick out its citizens, genius. That would be you and the other whiteboi xenophobes.

 

[Mac-7]

I'm not the one trying to kick out its citizens, genius. That would be you and the other whiteboi xenophobes.

Illegal aliens are not citizens

 

[meaner gene]

There are no slaves today

The 14th was intended for freed slaves in 1865 and only slaves

Sorry, but that's not what the clear text of the 14th says.
If they only w anted it to apply to freed slaves, they would have said so.

 

[Unkotare]

Your needle is stuck

So is yours.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Illegal aliens are not citizens

You're trying to turn legal citizens into illegal aliens. JFC, can you even remember what happened 40 seconds ago?

This is like talking to a child.

 

[meaner gene]

Illegal aliens are not citizens

Neither were freed slaves.

 

[Mac-7]

Sorry, but that's not what the clear text of the 14th says.
If they only w anted it to apply to freed slaves, they would have said so.

It says whatever 5 members of the SC say it says

And the current meaning can be changed

 

[Mac-7]

You're trying to turn legal citizens into illegal aliens. JFC, can you even remember what happened 40 seconds ago?

This is like talking to a child.

No I am not

If I could make it retroactive I would

But thats not possible

The change would apply only to future births

 

[meaner gene]

It says whatever 5 members of the SC say it says

And the current meaning can be changed

Not if it conflicts with the "clear text", which is the standard that the conservative justices claim they live by, and by which their prior decisions were based.

If they were to invoke a different standard, it would cause everybody to lose faith in the supreme court. And would open the court to all kinds of appeals for cases based on the two different constitutional interpretation standards.

 

[BackAgain]

There are those who cannot grasp what the claim of “birthright citizenship” means.

But we do know this. If you’re born here AND OWE ALLEGIANCE TO JUST THIS NATION, you’re a U.S. citizen.

Did I make that “and” too small?

 

[meaner gene]

No I am not

If I could make it retroactive I would

But thats not possible

The change would apply only to future births

Future births?

I believe after giving citizenship to the children of non-citizens after the civil war, they knew it would also apply to future births.

 

[Mac-7]

Neither were freed slaves.

Not true

the 14th gave them citizenship

 

[BackAgain]

Yes, it has. Extremely easy instructions. Why do some of you so-called conservatives never seem to understand this case decided birthright citizenship about 130 years ago?

United States v. Wong Kim Ark - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I learned this case in educational law. I thought you were a lawyer!

Which is why it does periodically come up for reconsideration.

Regardless of what you learned in some law related class, the fact is that the question has indeed come up again. For good reason.

If anyone truly believes that an amendment, designed to insure that freed slaves and black people in general were recognized as U.S. citizens, was ever intended to make the child of some illegal alien a U.S. citizen because of the mere location of the child’s birth being on U.S. soil, then they are going to see that belief get challenged.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As a citizen I can be compelled to serve in the military against my will

But the US does not have that power over illegal aliens or chinese tourists who just dropped in to visit the Grand Canyon and have an anchor baby

One has nothing to do with the other. Where is the draft mentioned in the Constitution since it did not exist until the Civil War? Your knowledge of history fails you yet again.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

an amendment would be helpful but takes too long and really isnt needed

And the streak of being wrong continues!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your needle is stuck

Why do you keep using a term that is a misnomer? If you stopped, he would stop. Simple enough.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There are no slaves today

The 14th was intended for freed slaves in 1865 and only slaves

Yeah, but they screwed up and left a loophole for aliens dropping their kids here in the US.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There are those who cannot grasp what the claim of “birthright citizenship” means.

But we do know this. If you’re born here AND OWE ALLEGIANCE TO JUST THIS NATION, you’re a U.S. citizen.

Did I make that “and” too small?

Where does it say that in the Constitution? Hint: It doesn't because you made it up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Which is why it does periodically come up for reconsideration.

Regardless of what you learned in some law related class, the fact is that the question has indeed come up again. For good reason.

If anyone truly believes that an amendment, designed to insure that freed slaves and black people in general were recognized as U.S. citizens, was ever intended to make the child of some illegal alien a U.S. citizen because of the mere location of the child’s birth being on U.S. soil, then they are going to see that belief get challenged.

I said it has come up and the courts have smacked it right back down. Keep stretching and you might find a point somewhere, but it is isn't looking good.