Biden: 'Not a Single Person on Private Insurance' Lost It 'Under Obamacare'— Fact Check: FALSE

[Nostra]

My healthcare was cancelled because of Obamacare.

BULLSHIT!
The PPACA did NOT cancel a single healthcare plan. Old plans were GRANDFATHERED in the PPACA. If your plan was canceled it was the CHOICE of YOUR employer or YOUR insurance provider. But you knew that already.

Nice try.

The had to cancel them because they didn't meet the Obamacare criteria.

Now go fuck yoursel.

What exactly don't you understand about the GRANDFATHJERR clause?????

What It Means to Have Grandfathered Status | Medical Mutual

What does having grandfathered status mean? Medical Mutual helps you understand grandfathered health plans and what having one means for your health benefits.

www.medmutual.com

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Overview of Grandfathered Status Plans
Grandfathered plans are health plans that were in place before March 23, 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was signed into law. These plans are allowed to offer the coverage they did before the Affordable Care Act. Changes can be made to grandfathered plans (subject to certain limitations) without losing grandfathered status. A grandfathered status plan might not include certain benefits or consumer protections that non-grandfathered plans are required to include. A few examples of this include:

• Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
• Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
• Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

However, healthcare reform has added some benefits to both grandfathered and non-grandfathered status plans, including:

• No lifetime dollar limit on benefits and/or no monetary limits on essential benefits (For example, your plan cannot have a $200,000 lifetime cap on organ transplants – it must be unlimited)
• Dependent coverage to your adult children until they turn 26, subject to certain limitations (the age limit is 28 in Ohio for fully insured plans.)

So?

Millions still lost their plan.

 

[Nostra]

They sent me a letter saying they cancelled it

And by "they" you mean your insurance company, NOT, anyone from Obamacare!!!!!

No, the guidelines Barry put in his clusterfuck of a bill eliminated them.

No company would unilaterally eliminate plans they were making tons of money off of, idiot.

 

[Nostra]

What the 4 million number represents are the people who were forced off the plans they had.

But NOT by the PPACA!!!!

Yes, by Barrycare.

I already provided a link proving that.

Number of links you have: ZERO

 

[Nostra]

But NOT by the PPACA!!!!

No, but because of it. I would have kept my coverage if not for it, as millions of others.

even after I cited the actual law, Trumpists continue to lie in the face of the truth.

The grandfather clause covered a few things.

Barrycare eliminated an entire class of coverage causing millions to lose their healthcare.

 

[Nostra]

The key point is not the relatively few people who lost coverage under Obamacare but......

With Donald Trump fighting to terminate Obamacare, Why the FUK doesn’t he have a plan ready to provide coverage for the 30 million who will lose coverage?

Why the FUK doesn’t he have a plan to cover those with preexisting conditions to include 8 million with COVID? Saying they will be covered does NOTHING to actually provide coverage.

Millions are relatively few??????????

Well then, how do you describe the 200K who died from the Kung FLu out of 330 BILLION?

 

[Nostra]

JOE BIDEN'S LIE:

“Not one single person on private insurance would lose their insurance under my plan, nor did they under Obamacare. They did not lose their insurance unless they chose something else."

Analysts estimated that at least 4 million Americans lost their health insurance under Obamacare. Yet Joe Biden thought he could repeat the false Obamacare claim that got branded “the Lie of the Year” in 2013.

Biden: 'Not a Single Person on Private Insurance' Lost It 'Under Obamacare'— Fact Check: FALSE

During the final presidential debate in 2020, Joe Biden repeated the Obamacare

pjmedia.com

Suspect source, and it's likely they are referring to policies that didn't meet the revamped requirements and we're dropped by the insurance companies. Replacement plans were made available. If people decided to piss and moan instead sign up that's nobodies fault but theirs.

You just admitted Barrycare eliminated plans for millions.

 

[Nostra]

Suspect source, and it's likely they are referring to policies that didn't meet the revamped requirements and we're dropped by the insurance companies. Replacement plans were made available. If people decided to piss and moan instead sign up that's nobodies fault but theirs.

Yes, there are options. When I lost mine, my option was to buy a Commie Care plan, and not be able to afford my life sustaining medication I pay a few hundred bucks for every month with cash. Plus with a 7K deductible and 7K out of pocket, I'd still have to pay for my medical care outright.

Yep, that's what Democrats call a choice.

They didn't eliminate plans that were better than what was offered. Only those that didn't meet standards.

So I hafta call bullshit.

You once again admitted Barrycare killed the plans millions liked.

 

[Nostra]

If you have a health "insurance" that has a multi-$1000 deductible... YOU DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. You have catastrophic coverage that use to be cheap - now expensive.

The kinds of worthless, catastrophic coverage policies you described were ended under the ACA, and revived under the Orange Fraud.

Those plans met the needs of millions. Why should you get to decide for millions of others what they do with their body?

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Yes, no regard for public health. We republicans get a big hard on thinking of people dying, being sick, etc.

I understand you folks don't like being confronted with the material effect of the policies you favor. But as Individual 1 says, it is what it is.

Out of everything I wrote, you quote that one small segment and ignore everything else??

Since you’re such a great humanitarian who cares about people’s health more than all republicans, please tell Me... how much have you donated to help people with their medical needs? And if you can’t donate financially, how much time have you donated? have you stayed late to see peoole, for free? Have you gone to people’s homes, checked them out for free, and given them medical equipment for free (that you yourself paid for)? Have you gotten on the phone with imaging centers and gotten people diagnostic scans that they couldn’t afford? Ever called up pharmaceutical reps and gotten people medication for free that they couldnt afford? Ever handed people cash to fill their meds at a pharmacy because they were struggling?
Ever pulled a favor and gotten someone in to see a specialist who couldn’t afford it?
Maybe you have. Maybe you have done all this and more.
But don’t come at me with your “Republicans want sick people to die” bullshit when I have done these things and continue to do these things.

 

[WTF19]

Over 98 percent of Americans kept their insurance

are you really that stupid?

 

[rightwinger]

Over 98 percent of Americans kept their insurance

are you really that stupid?

Look at the numbers

Worst case estimate is that fewer than 5 million lost their insurance. Out of a population of 330 million that is 99 percent kept their insurance

Why do Conservatives suck at math?

'Millions' Lost Insurance - FactCheck.org

Anti-Obamacare ads have claimed that "millions" lost their health insurance and their doctors because of the law. But policyholders weren't denied coverage, and there's evidence that far more gained insurance than had their plans canceled.

www.factcheck.org

 

[rightwinger]

Those plans met the needs of millions. Why should you get to decide for millions of others what they do with their body?

Because those plans were insufficient to cover a major medical emergency

 

[rightwinger]

My healthcare was cancelled because of Obamacare.

BULLSHIT!
The PPACA did NOT cancel a single healthcare plan. Old plans were GRANDFATHERED in the PPACA. If your plan was canceled it was the CHOICE of YOUR employer or YOUR insurance provider. But you knew that already.

Nice try.

The had to cancel them because they didn't meet the Obamacare criteria.

Now go fuck yoursel.

What exactly don't you understand about the GRANDFATHJERR clause?????

What It Means to Have Grandfathered Status | Medical Mutual

What does having grandfathered status mean? Medical Mutual helps you understand grandfathered health plans and what having one means for your health benefits.

www.medmutual.com

.
Overview of Grandfathered Status Plans
Grandfathered plans are health plans that were in place before March 23, 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was signed into law. These plans are allowed to offer the coverage they did before the Affordable Care Act. Changes can be made to grandfathered plans (subject to certain limitations) without losing grandfathered status. A grandfathered status plan might not include certain benefits or consumer protections that non-grandfathered plans are required to include. A few examples of this include:

• Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all preventive services at a $0 copay (such as contraceptive coverage).
• Grandfathered status plans are not required to cover all of the benefits healthcare reform has deemed to be “essential,” such as certain types of testing and treatment.
• Grandfathered status plans have different member appeal rights.

However, healthcare reform has added some benefits to both grandfathered and non-grandfathered status plans, including:

• No lifetime dollar limit on benefits and/or no monetary limits on essential benefits (For example, your plan cannot have a $200,000 lifetime cap on organ transplants – it must be unlimited)
• Dependent coverage to your adult children until they turn 26, subject to certain limitations (the age limit is 28 in Ohio for fully insured plans.)

So?

Millions still lost their plan.

99 percent didn’t.
All were offered alternative policies

 

[Beef_Supreme]

Over 98 percent of Americans kept their insurance

are you really that stupid?

Look at the numbers

Worst case estimate is that 5 million lost their insurance. Out of a population of 330 million that is 98 percent kept their insurance

Why do Conservatives suck at math?

Worst case scenario, corona virus has killed about 200,000 people. Out of a population of 330 million, that means 99.9994% kept their lives. Why is it such a big deal?

In one instance, you ha e a virus that at best you try to mitigate the damage, yet you completely blame 1 man for the problems it has caused. On the other hand, you have a government intervention, the driving force being man, yet that man is completely blameless.
Why is ok for government to cause a couple million people to lose their insurance? Why is ok to drive our costs up? My instance now as compared to 10 years ago is way, way more expensive.

 

[rightwinger]

Worst case scenario, corona virus has killed about 200,000 people. Out of a population of 330 million, that means 99.9994% kept their lives. Why is it such a big deal?

The big deal s 210,000 are dead
Almost four times the number killed in Vietnam
Six times more than we lose in car accidents every year

 

[edthecynic]

They were only grandfathered in for a couple years.

Well that's some progress, you now at least admit the old plans were actually grandfathered, but you couldn't stop there, you had to add a new lie that there was a time limit to the grandfather clause. There isn't!!!

§ 147.140 Preservation of right to maintain existing coverage.
(a) Definition of grandfathered health plan coverage -

(1) In general -

(i) Grandfathered health plan coverage means coverage provided by a group health plan, or a group or individual health insurance issuer, in which an individual was enrolled on March 23, 2010 (for as long as it maintains that status under the rules of this section).

 

[Nostra]

Over 98 percent of Americans kept their insurance

are you really that stupid?

Look at the numbers

Worst case estimate is that fewer than 5 million lost their insurance. Out of a population of 330 million that is 99 percent kept their insurance

Why do Conservatives suck at math?

'Millions' Lost Insurance - FactCheck.org

Anti-Obamacare ads have claimed that "millions" lost their health insurance and their doctors because of the law. But policyholders weren't denied coverage, and there's evidence that far more gained insurance than had their plans canceled.

www.factcheck.org

So you finally admit Barrycare eliminated coverage for millions.

About time.

 

[Papageorgio]

I had a catastrophic plan that was cancelled by Obamacare. Pissed me off, I had to find new insurance that cost more.

 

[edthecynic]

Again, they were only allowed for a couple years.

Again, that is just another LIE! Please quote where in the LAW a time limit was set, I already posted where the LAW says no time limit.

 

[rightwinger]

Over 98 percent of Americans kept their insurance

are you really that stupid?

Look at the numbers

Worst case estimate is that fewer than 5 million lost their insurance. Out of a population of 330 million that is 99 percent kept their insurance

Why do Conservatives suck at math?

'Millions' Lost Insurance - FactCheck.org

Anti-Obamacare ads have claimed that "millions" lost their health insurance and their doctors because of the law. But policyholders weren't denied coverage, and there's evidence that far more gained insurance than had their plans canceled.

www.factcheck.org

So you finally admit Barrycare eliminated coverage for millions.

About time.

One percent of the population
All offered alternative policies

Conversely, Trump wants to drop coverage for 30 million and offer them nothing in replacement