Biden may be on the cusp of another historic achievement.

[Polishprince]

It's a trade off for an agreement preventing Iran from acquiring a nuke. Why do you find this so hard to comprehend?

The "deal" didn't prevent Iran from getting a nuke at all. In fact, it provided them billions of dollars in small bills so they could buy one from North Korea or other willing vendor.

I'd say the deal guaranteed that Iran would be nuclear.

 

[LeftofLeft]

After Trump, I don’t see why Iran would trust us to keep our word

And we should trust Iran, why????

 

[rightwinger]

And we should trust Iran, why????

Because they allowed global inspectors to witness the removal of enriched uranium and the destruction of centrifuges

 

[rightwinger]

The "deal" didn't prevent Iran from getting a nuke at all. In fact, it provided them billions of dollars in small bills so they could buy one from North Korea or other willing vendor.

I'd say the deal guaranteed that Iran would be nuclear.

Taking away their enriched uranium and destroying the means to produce it prevents it

 

[LeftofLeft]

Because they allowed global inspectors to witness the removal of enriched uranium and the destruction of centrifuges

When? Was that removal of all uranium and centrifuges?

 

[berg80]

The "deal" didn't prevent Iran from getting a nuke at all. In fact, it provided them billions of dollars in small bills so they could buy one from North Korea or other willing vendor.

I'd say the deal guaranteed that Iran would be nuclear.

That is the opposite of the truth.

The Facts:​

The deal is not based on trust; it’s based on verification. The IAEA will have 24/7 access to Iran’s known nuclear facilities and will be closely monitoring Iran’s supply chain of nuclear materials, centrifuge production lines, and any purchases that might be used for a nuclear program. The deal also provides timely inspections to any undeclared facilities where suspected nuclear activity may be occurring. If Iran does cheat, they will be caught and sanctions will be re-imposed.

There are also aspects of the deal that Iran can’t easily undo. Iran must dismantle two-thirds of its installed centrifuges, remove 98% of its uranium stockpile, and permanently alter the Arak Plutonium reactor before it receives any relief from economic sanctions. These actions will be verified by the IAEA and will greatly increase the time it would take Iran to obtain weapons-grade nuclear material.

The deal goes to great lengths to buttress major points of the agreement. For example, the deal does not just put limitations on centrifuge production, it also puts limitations on rotor production, and on the machines that make the rotors. The subsidiary commitments that Iran has made for the agreement are truly impressive.

Rejecting this deal means no restrictions, no verification, and no inspections of Iran’s nuclear program. Even if Iran cheats, we’ll know far more about Iran’s nuclear activities than we do now. And that will mean that all of the alternatives—including the least desirable, military action—will be more effective.

 

[rightwinger]

When? Was that removal of all uranium and centrifuges?

Google is your friend

Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JCPOA summary of enrichment-related provisions
(sources: The Economist[70] Belfer Center[71]: 29 )

Capability	Before JCPOA	After JCPOA (for 10-year period)	After 15 years
First-generation centrifuges installed	19,138	capped at 6,104	Unconstrained[U 1]
Advanced centrifuges installed	1,008	0
Centrifuge R&D	Unconstrained	Constrained
Stockpile of low-enriched uranium	7,154 kg	300 kg
Stockpile of medium-enriched uranium	196 kg	0 kg
The physical limits phase out over 10 to 15 years[71] ^

 

[Polishprince]

Taking away their enriched uranium and destroying the means to produce it prevents it

Not necessarily. I don't think you appreciate how vast a country Iran is. There is no way to search a territory that large to know if they actually got rid of their uranium.

 

[Lesh]

Not necessarily. I don't think you appreciate how vast a country Iran is. There is no way to search a territory that large to know if they actually got rid of their uranium.

Because you are stupid does not mean the Federal government is

 

[struth]

Like virtually all countries around the world Iran most likely saw the value of having someone sane, not irrational, in the Oval Office.

oh i am sure Iran thought Xiden and the demafasict were “sane”

seems like y’all have a lot in common

it’s also understandable why countries like the UK held Xiden in contempt…while the Iranians praise him

 

[Polishprince]

Because you are stupid does not mean the Federal government is

Obama's "Deal" was made so he would have an "accomplishment" to brag about and impress the rubes of the left.

I never thought that B. Hussein O was stupid.

 

[Lesh]

Obama's "Deal" was made so he would have an "accomplishment" to brag about and impress the rubes of the left.

I never thought that B. Hussein O was stupid.

Thanks for the ignorant Trumper "take" on it

 

[Indeependent]

Google is your friend

Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

JCPOA summary of enrichment-related provisions
(sources: The Economist[70] Belfer Center[71]: 29 )

Capability	Before JCPOA	After JCPOA (for 10-year period)	After 15 years
First-generation centrifuges installed	19,138	capped at 6,104	Unconstrained[U 1]
Advanced centrifuges installed	1,008	0
Centrifuge R&D	Unconstrained	Constrained
Stockpile of low-enriched uranium	7,154 kg	300 kg
Stockpile of medium-enriched uranium	196 kg	0 kg
The physical limits phase out over 10 to 15 years[71] ^

Wikipedia…
Even you can edit that article.

 

[berg80]

Not necessarily. I don't think you appreciate how vast a country Iran is. There is no way to search a territory that large to know if they actually got rid of their uranium.

So you believe, without evidence, they deceived all the signatories to the agreement because..........you can't accept the findings of the IAEA............because it just doesn't fit with what you want to believe.

 

[Polishprince]

So you believe, without evidence, they deceived all the signatories to the agreement because..........you can't accept the findings of the IAEA............because it just doesn't fit with what you want to believe.

You believe without evidence that the Iranian mullahs are being upfront and candid with Hussein et al.

Its really up to the Mullahs to prove their case, lying is in their blood.

 

[rightwinger]

Wikipedia…
Even you can edit that article.

OK
Show a source that says differently

 

[Independent thinker]

How’d that work out?

As I said, the original deal was stupid. So, it doesn't really matter how it worked out. We would have been in the same position no matter what. Hopefully, if we make another deal, it won't be a stupid one.

 

[Flash]

A renewed Iran nuclear deal appears closer than ever. Here are the remaining sticking points

Iran appears the most optimistic it’s been in years about finally clinching an agreement on a renewed version of the 2015 nuclear deal with the U.S. and other foreign powers.

Iranian negotiating team adviser Mohammad Marandi said on Monday that “we’re closer than we’ve been before” to securing a deal and that the “remaining issues are not very difficult to resolve.” And the European Union’s “final text” proposal for the deal, submitted last week, has been approved by the U.S., which says it’s ready to quickly seal the agreement if Iran accepts it.

Still, there are obstacles to rescuing the Obama-era pact, which lifted sanctions on Iran in exchange for a range of limits on its nuclear program. Iranian negotiators responded to the EU’s proposal, pointing out the remaining issues that may yet prove impossible to reconcile.

And the stakes are high: the more time goes by, the more Iran progresses in the advancement of its nuclear technology — far beyond the scope of what the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and the 2015 deal’s original signatories say is acceptable.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/18/a-r...-be-closer-than-ever-but-problems-remain.html

Clearly nothing is certain but there is reason for optimism. It would be quite a success for the world's and the ME's security if Iran agrees not to develop nuclear missile capabilities after the colossally idiotic decision by Trump to blow up the previous agreement. Not to mention it would likely lead to more oil being added to the world's market, further pressuring the downward price spiral oil has been on for months. Lowering the price of oil being good for the country but bad for the political fortunes of those who wish the country harm, Repubs.

What, is this Potatohead asshole going to send them more barrels of cash with their promise to play nice?

That is what the Worthless Negro/Potatohead administration did once before and it was despicable.

 

[whitehall]

Iran gets a nuclear device that they can use to threaten Israel, the U.S. gets nothing but empty promises from the Islamic jihad, the media lies to us about what a great deal it is, old Joe bumbles through a news conference and the Bidenistas high five each other. Another day in the propaganda world of the Biden administration.

 

[Lesh]

Iran gets a nuclear device that they can use to threaten Israel, the U.S. gets nothing but empty promises from the Islamic jihad, the media lies to us about what a great deal it is, old Joe bumbles through a news conference and the Bidenistas high five each other. Another day in the propaganda world of the Biden administration.

And all because Trump pulled out of the JCPOA.

Hopefully Biden's deal gets approved