"Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts"

[Nostra]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

He is a Nazi Snowflake.

 

[L.K.Eder]

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That doesn't make it legal. Ask the bakery shops that got sued for refusing to bake a cake for gay weddings.

Being gay isnt a virus you can catch retard.

Didn't the sign you posted say "to anyone?"

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well anyone would include gay couples, wouldn't they?

It would include them as well if they were not wearing masks. Why do you ask? Dont you know what anybody means?

Then do this: Open up a business and refuse to serve anybody without a mask. They will go to your competitor and shop with them, and you'll likely lose their business for life.

When our state first adopted CCW laws, we gave vendors an option to hang a sign on their door stopping armed customers from entering. If they had that sign on their door and you went in armed, you were breaking the law. So most stores did hang those signs on their doors and windows.

As more and more people got their license, they quit patronizing those businesses and went elsewhere. Today, you don't even see those signs in the windows and doors any longer because they couldn't afford to lose all that business.

Again, I wear my mask when in public, but it's my own choice which it should always be. If somebody else doesn't want to wear one, that's their choice too. It's likely that people who had this thing will never get it again, and there are people who have the antibodies to never get it. Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?

" It's likely..."
"Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?"

Because "likely" arent good enough odds to play with someones life. Now if you can prove all that is true beyond all shadow of a doubt you would have a point.

It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease.

We can't make law or insist such people have to abide by laws that likely don't apply to them, nor can we do five years of experimenting before we come to that conclusion.

People who are near death (if fortunate enough) have blood infused with those antibodies to save their lives from people that got the virus and survived. They are not waiting for empirical evidence, they are using the odds of law. The problem is we don't have enough blood to go around to everybody.

"It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease. "

If that were true in all cases why do people continue to catch the cold? You do realize this virus is closer to the common cold than anything else right?

A cold is not a virus. The flu is, but it resurfaces in different strains every year, so a vaccine isn't possible. The coronavirus can do the same, but as of right now, it's Covid-19 that's the problem.

neither the cold nor the flu is a virus. they are diseases/symptoms caused by viruses. the common cold can be caused by a wide variety of viruses. don't play a doctor on the internet.

Correct, only libs should, because libs know everything. Just ask any one of you.

keep your whining to yourself, wimp.
simply don't spout about stuff you do not understand. it's common sense, you know.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

It is when my life is at stake. I did what I did and if you dont like that then too bad.

Although I wear a mask in public, if anybody tried to instruct me what to, do I'd tell them to go F themselves. If they came after me, put a few 9's in their chest. Then me wearing a mask would be their last problem, and they'd learn to mind their own business next time....... if they survived.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

He is a Nazi Snowflake.

It's a perfect example why we so desperately need to keep these people out of power. The left are control freaks. They feel they should have the ability to control the actions of every single person in this country.

If they don't smoke, you shouldn't smoke either.
If they don't like guns, you shouldn't have one either.
If they are against shopping at Walmart, you shouldn't shop there either.
If they wear masks, you should have to wear one too.
If they are against gas guzzling SUV"s, you shouldn't be allowed to own one.
If they don't drink large sodas, you shouldn't be allowed to drink large sodas either.
If they are against their children eating pork chops in school cafeterias, your kid shouldn't be allowed to eat pork chops either.

The list goes on and on, but the bottom line is Democrats are control freaks. I have no idea why they stay in a free country if they despise freedom so much. Move to Canada for crying out loud.

 

[Nostra]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

He is a Nazi Snowflake.

It's a perfect example why we so desperately need to keep these people out of power. The left are control freaks. They feel they should have the ability to control the actions of every single person in this country.

If they don't smoke, you shouldn't smoke either.
If they don't like guns, you shouldn't have one either.
If they are against shopping at Walmart, you shouldn't shop there either.
If they wear masks, you should have to wear one too.
If they are against gas guzzling SUV"s, you shouldn't be allowed to own one.
If they don't drink large sodas, you shouldn't be allowed to drink large sodas either.
If they are against their children eating pork chops in school cafeterias, your kid shouldn't be allowed to eat pork chops either.

The list goes on and on, but the bottom line is Democrats are control freaks. I have no idea why they stay in a free country if they despise freedom so much. Move to Canada for crying out loud.

And they claim to be the "tolerant" ones.

 

[Markle]

Seatbelts is a great example of how people get turned into sheep. We were told it was safer, most agreed but really didn’t think a law forcing you to wear one was a good idea. So when the sheep wouldn’t do as they were told by those that know what’s best for them they started “nudging” you in the right direction. Laws “suggesting” you should wear one. No fines or anything but an officer would pull you over, waste some of your time and have a friendly little chat about how all of this could have been avoided if you had just taken their “suggestion”.

Of course that didn’t take long to turn into click it or ticket but the sheep had to get a few nudges before the actual shove could be justified.

Makes you think. What kind of “suggestions” are they making today?

It’s Ironic that this thread was created today when it was cause I was just thinking the exact same thing today that it’s no surprise we live in a facist dictatership with all these dreconian laws now.I was thinking to myself today that man,it’s no surprise we are being dictated today on what to do,that we have to wear these masks.thats when i thought about the seatbelt laws how the sheep let that happen,that if we were really a free country,we would not be ordered to wear a seatbelt.that it should be a persons choice or not if they want to wear one,if they get in an accident,then that was their choice they made that they suffered S they did,they did not harm anybody else by not putting on their own seatbelt. Our forefathers sure would never have stood for it.

the way the sheep have let them strip away so many of our rights,expect this to be the new normal.

In truth, we have actual scientific evidence that seat belts save lives along with better vehicle crash designs. Cars are a human creation and I have no problem with them being designed to be safe and seat belts do help. With the advent of air bags and other safety features, IMO, mandatory seatbelt laws need to be reexamined.

That being said, the scientific evidence that a mask can protect anyone from a virus is just not there. There is no way any statistical model can be accurate when we don't have all the data. There needs to be massively more research into this before we let these politicians start to tyranically dictate where we go, who we see, when we can work, and even what we are allowed to wear and not wear.

I agree with you. I have always been opposed to seatbelt laws. I am not opposed to seatbelt being mandated for folks under a certain age, say eighteen. I'm also not opposed to appropriate car seats for infants and the very young. I remember as a tyke in Chicago I would stand up, next to the window, anyplace we went. If it was with my Grandpop I stood next to him with my arm around his neck. So did all the other kids. We were toast in an accident.

Since I was 13, I've almost always had a motorcycle...or several. I raced motorcycles, cross country in Enduros for quite a number of years and I have usually had a big Harley for road trips. Better still, I live in a state that does NOT require helmets. The vast majority of the time I ride with a helmet. But, there are cool clear nights when I'll take along my phone with my riding playlists and put as many as a couple of hundred miles without one. I've been riding for over 60 years, my head, my choice.

What many do not seem to understand, maybe the do and just don't care, is that freedom and liberty are not free. I don't just mean in treasure or the lives of soldiers fighting for freedom and liberty but also in our own lives.

Damn your over 60..? It sounds like you are a dude am I right? If so,I was always wrong on my thinking,I just assumed cause of your user name,you were female.

Guilty, I'm an old dude, well over 70. My username is sort of a play on the name of one of my conservative heroes, Mark Levine.

 

[JustAGuy1]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Driving a car is not a Constitutional right, you blithering idiot.

Nor is going to work or the store without a mask on you fucking retard.

I can choose not to go to a store, and if my employer mandates it that is his right.

The Govt has no authority to force people to wear a mask, idiot.

That has nothing to do with the point.

The government does have the authority to force you wear a mask. All they have to do is start charging your asses with attempted murder or assault.

No, they don't. It's just that you freedom hating morons love telling others how to live their lives.

Says the anti abortionist

Hmmmmmm, here's a thought, post where I ever posted about abortion.

 

[justinacolmena]

One such case is that of Thomas Guerra, an American landscape architect, who became the first person in the state of California to be convicted for intentionally infecting another individual with HIV. In court, prosecutors presented 11,000 text messages and 36 audio clips to support their case against Guerra. Since then, Guerra has been accused of intentionally exposing dozens of other men to HIV.

Like well shit he's wagging his ass in High California, and the "real men" just can't contain themselves from such unbearable lust in a court of law.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

I've never routinely used seat belts or masks and have no plans to start. I consider both personal choice items and no business of any government.

Well you’ve just been lucky so far that no policemen have seen you without your seatbelt cause in this day ang age of click it or tick it,they give huge fines if you don’t wear one and will,do the same thing with masks and eventually start throwing us in jail.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

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That doesn't make it legal. Ask the bakery shops that got sued for refusing to bake a cake for gay weddings.

Being gay isnt a virus you can catch retard.

Didn't the sign you posted say "to anyone?"

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well anyone would include gay couples, wouldn't they?

It would include them as well if they were not wearing masks. Why do you ask? Dont you know what anybody means?

Then do this: Open up a business and refuse to serve anybody without a mask. They will go to your competitor and shop with them, and you'll likely lose their business for life.

When our state first adopted CCW laws, we gave vendors an option to hang a sign on their door stopping armed customers from entering. If they had that sign on their door and you went in armed, you were breaking the law. So most stores did hang those signs on their doors and windows.

As more and more people got their license, they quit patronizing those businesses and went elsewhere. Today, you don't even see those signs in the windows and doors any longer because they couldn't afford to lose all that business.

Again, I wear my mask when in public, but it's my own choice which it should always be. If somebody else doesn't want to wear one, that's their choice too. It's likely that people who had this thing will never get it again, and there are people who have the antibodies to never get it. Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?

" It's likely..."
"Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?"

Because "likely" arent good enough odds to play with someones life. Now if you can prove all that is true beyond all shadow of a doubt you would have a point.

It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease.

We can't make law or insist such people have to abide by laws that likely don't apply to them, nor can we do five years of experimenting before we come to that conclusion.

People who are near death (if fortunate enough) have blood infused with those antibodies to save their lives from people that got the virus and survived. They are not waiting for empirical evidence, they are using the odds of law. The problem is we don't have enough blood to go around to everybody.

"It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease. "

If that were true in all cases why do people continue to catch the cold? You do realize this virus is closer to the common cold than anything else right?

A cold is not a virus. The flu is, but it resurfaces in different strains every year, so a vaccine isn't possible. The coronavirus can do the same, but as of right now, it's Covid-19 that's the problem.

neither the cold nor the flu is a virus. they are diseases/symptoms caused by viruses. the common cold can be caused by a wide variety of viruses. don't play a doctor on the internet.

Indeed.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

That's fucking funny. You could say that about anything, am I right?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You're basing your bullshit on an article posted on April 1st- three months ago. At that time, the article raises three main points, all of which have been refuted by what we've learned in the interim. This is a "Novel" virus. That means we've never seen it before and we know a LOT more now than we did three months ago.

1. Since that date, there is STRONG scientific evidence that wearing a mask substantially reduces the risk of infection. It is now known that the disease spreads via water droplets which are expelled when we talk and breath. Wearing a mask is THE MOST EFFECTIVE MEANS of stopping the spread.

2. Point #2 is moot. There is no single thing anyone can do that is more effective than wearing a mask.

3. Masks were non-existient in the USA on April 1st. The public was being discouraged from wearing masks because there weren't enough for the medical staff, much less the rest of the population to wear them.

THIS IS A RAPIDLY EVOLVING EVENT. PLEASE TRY TO KEEP UP AND STOP RELYING ON OLD DISCREDITED INFORMATION WHEN FORMING YOUR DECISIONS.

Tell it to Dr. Brosseau, professor and expert on respiratory protection and infectious diseases.

1. The fact that the article cited was written on April 1st is irrelevant. Please cite how the nature of respiratory
diseases and infections have changed significantly in the last three or four months. Well, I guess
you can't.

2. Masks are more useful as a placebo to placate some politicians and Karens roaming around
but in actual fact beside being useful as a virtue signaling device the masks being worn are almost useless.
If it makes you feel safe wear one but most masks out there are ineffective at screening out contagions.

‘Fabric masks are unsuitable’

PETALING JAYA: Frontliners should wear surgical masks and not fabric masks as these will not prevent one from getting the Covid-19 virus, say experts.

www.thestar.com.my

It's like buckling up with seat belts made of paper mache. If you enjoy the false sense of security, which you apparently do, enjoy your mask.

3. The fact that face masks were less plentiful at one time is also irrelevant. Are they efficient reliable
tools for screening out Covid virus? The answer is no!
Politicians enjoy ordering people around and they also enjoy the appearance of safety and security.
Do us all a favor and go dig a pit and hide out in it until the pandemic passes, if ever.

 

[Flopper]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Trump is a contrarianism; that is, he contradicts prevailing wisdom for example:
Immigrants are life blood of the country.
American needs it's allies
The United Nations is best hope for peace and security.
Free trade is the way to bring jobs and prosperity.
Environmental protection and economic growth are not mutually exclusive.
LBGT rights are human rights.
It is the job of the president to lead by example and be a president of all the people.

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election. He has always been a user of people and when people are of no use to him he tosses them for others that sees of more use.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

 

[Leo123]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Trump is a contrarianism; that is, he contradicts prevailing wisdom for example:
Immigrants are life blood of the country.
American needs it's allies
The United Nations is best hope for peace and security.
Free trade is the way to bring jobs and prosperity.
Environmental protection and economic growth are not mutually exclusive.
LBGT rights are human rights.
It is the job of the president to lead by example and be a president of all the people.

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election. He has always been a user of people and when people are of no use to him he tosses them for others that sees of more use.

IOW Trump does not shove fake morality down our throats.

 

[Asclepias]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Trump is a contrarianism; that is, he contradicts prevailing wisdom for example:
Immigrants are life blood of the country.
American needs it's allies
The United Nations is best hope for peace and security.
Free trade is the way to bring jobs and prosperity.
Environmental protection and economic growth are not mutually exclusive.
LBGT rights are human rights.
It is the job of the president to lead by example and be a president of all the people.

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election. He has always been a user of people and when people are of no use to him he tosses them for others that sees of more use.

IOW Trump does not shove fake morality down our throats.

Of course he does. By all accounts thats exactly what he did yesterday at mt rushmore.

 

[Flopper]

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

 

[Leo123]

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Only, Trump never caused any of that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

 

[Flopper]

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.