"Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts"

[Flopper]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I finally did it.

I went out with a mask on, given governor Greg Abbott's orders for Texas.

I took a pair of the wife's g-string panties and put them over my face. People in the grocery store were either appalled or amused.

Wife made me wear a clean pair, over my objection (love that lady musk).

People either laughed, tried not to laugh, or were completely appalled. The cashier was definitely appalled little teen dipshit. She even carded me for the beer I purchased (first time on several years).

.

the ass on which those panties sat!!!

The order said a cover over the nose and mouth.

Why not panties?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

 

[Flopper]

Seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, or masks all come down to costs and who pays for medical expenses incurred when insurance max's out. The cost of paying medical expenses for you or one person you give COVID to is usually hundreds of thousands of dollars and sometimes over a million. Just like seatbelts and helmets, society does not want to pay for people's negligence and irresponsibility.

We've been paying for negligence and irresponsibility for generations now.

If a person doesn't use seat belts and gets in a crash and one of his kids fly out the wind and dies or becomes disabled? He may be stupid but why should his kids suffer as a result?

Because until the commies rode into our country, we left the safety and proaction of a child up to the parent--not the government.

Cars didn't even have seat belts back then. Many lives have been saved with all our added on safety features forced onto the automakers thanks to people like Ralph Nader. Is this communism? I don't think so.

So where in our founding documents or Constitution does it state government should be in charge of our safety, or for that matter, the safety of our family? Those who rely on government for those mandates are not citizens, they are servants.

It's not governments business how to save your life, my life, or the lives of our children. Government protecting it's people means to protect you from the harm of others--not from harm from your own decisions.

When government gets involved in personal decision making against their will, yes, that's Communism, or at the very least, a dictatorship. I grew up at a time with no seatbelt, no child seats, no cradle to grave government. It was a much better time than we have today.

I think you'll find your state constitution addresses public safety and clearly makes the state and local government responsible for such.
The requirement for seat belts in cars did not come from federal government but state governments. In the early 1960's, the major manufactures were offering seat belts as an option. In 1963, 23 states enacted laws requiring seat belts and a number of other states were considering it. So many states had adopted the requirement, it would have been silly for car companies to make a distinction between the markets that had required seat belts and the ones that had not. So front row seat belts became standard. In 1968, the federal government, responding to research reports of saved lives required seat belts in all forward-facing seats and ordered that shoulder straps be installed in front outboard seats used in interstate commerce. Clearly seat belt laws are constitution as the law is written.

The question of whether goverment should protect the individual lives of it's citizens is more a philosophical than legal question. Essentially all governments recognize that the first duty of government is to afford protection to its citizens, although that is interpreted different by different governments. The premise that goverment should protect it's citizens is based of the fact that the lives of its citizens have worth to society that goes beyond that of the worth to the individual. For example, if you are allowed to drive a car without seat belts, have a wreck, and kill your kids and permanently disabled both you and your wife, you hurt all society because someone will have to care for you the rest of your life and the productivity of you, your wife, and your children as adults will be lost to society.

The feds pressured states to adopt seatbelt laws because they were getting paid off by the insurance companies. Same thing with the .08 BAL for driving. Yes, technically those are state laws, but the states wouldn't have created them without the pressure from the feds and insurance industry.

Our government is charged with protecting us from others, not protecting us from ourselves. If our founders could come back to life, they would be outraged at our government dependency and tyranny that's going on in our federal government today.

The very idea that the Democrats can tax people into submission of their demands is as un-American as it gets. The idea that we have bureaucracies and bureaucrats that we cannot vote on nor redress goes everything against everything our founders crated for us. Mandating people have health insurance, tell kids what they are allowed to eat in school, having to wear seatbelt, force schools to allow weirdos in dresses to enter our daughters bathrooms and showers, even telling people what size drinks they are allowed to buy at a gas station are all things they don't even do in places like Cuba or North Korea. It's called conditioning; like the frog that is happily swimming along in that pot of cold water on top of the stove. We don't even realize it's happening to us.

State enacted seat belt laws because they were seeing deaths on highways going down by as much 50%. Of course, car insurance companies as well as life insurance companies lobbied for seat belts. Also the National Safety Council, American Automobile Association, American Medical Association, as well as some of the manufactures did significant lobbying.

Only if the individual bore complete financial responsible for his actions, would elimination of government laws and regulations that protect the individual make sense. This was society the founders live in. The family was the safety net; no family, no safety net. There was no health insurance because there was no need for it considering how little professional healthcare existed. The average adult life span was only 37 years so there wasn't much need for pensions. Since starvation and malnutrition was just part of living and dying, they of course would see no need for government providing food for the poor. Housing for poor made no sense because so many poor people lived in sheds, or homes of their own making. Fortunately, we don't have to live in that society. Considering how much better people live today with all those government laws and regulation, the founders would trade places with us in heartbeat.

Absolutely wrong. They could have emulated the programs we have today. They could have paid farmers to feed the poor. They could have started programs like Cash for Carriages. The government could have paid workers to build cabins for the poor. What the founders wanted was zero control over the people's personal choices. What the government were to provide the people is outlined in the US Constitution. Healthcare or insurance isn't one of them.

Fast forward to today, many people rely on government for things never dreamt of by our founders. It's not what they wanted. They didn't want a people who depended on government for everything from diapers for you babies to free childcare services to abortions to funding entities line NPR or PBS, to HUD homes in the suburbs.

As I said, they did not recognize a need for what we consider social welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, aid to education, aid to dependent children, housing for the poor, food stamps, etc. Life span was limited, healthcare was mostly home care, families were expected to care for their own, and education was for the wealthy.

Social welfare did exist in the colonies. If was based on the English system, "poor laws". The poor laws separated the poor into two classes: the worthy (e.g., orphans, widows, handicapped, frail elderly) and the unworthy (e.g., drunkards, shiftless, lazy). The determination of who was worthy was determined locally, usually by the churches. Those deemed unworthy were typically jailed or run out of town and became someone else problem. The poor that were judge able to work were contracted out to businesses and families. The funds raised by contracts were used to defray the cost of supporting those unable to work. Most of those that were contracted out worked the fields along with slaves and indenture servants. The entire system was riddled with corruption, unconstitutional, and abolished in the early 1800s.

Social Welfare has become an integral part of our society. We can certainly improve it but there is no way of abolishing it nor significantly reducing it as long we embrace democracy because approximately 50% of Americans receive some form of benefit from the government.

 

[Slyhunter]

I can't breath with a mask on. I couldn't stand oxygen masks when i WENT in for an operation, I tolerate the mask less than those. I have problems breathing. I'll stay home until whenever. I don't want to live in a world where everyone wears a mask.

 

[Flopper]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

 

[Flopper]

I can't breath with a mask on. I couldn't stand oxygen masks when i WENT in for an operation, I tolerate the mask less than those. I have problems breathing. I'll stay home until whenever. I don't want to live in a world where everyone wears a mask.

Wear a plastic face shield. They have been shown to reduce viral exposure by 96% when worn within 18 inches of a cough, and by 92% at the currently recommended 6 feet of social distancing, according to a recent editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association. They do not restrict breathing but they tend fog. They can be bought online

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

 

[Flopper]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-total-tests-for-covid-19

 

[Slyhunter]

I can't breath with a mask on. I couldn't stand oxygen masks when i WENT in for an operation, I tolerate the mask less than those. I have problems breathing. I'll stay home until whenever. I don't want to live in a world where everyone wears a mask.

Wear a plastic face shield. They have been shown to reduce viral exposure by 96% when worn within 18 inches of a cough, and by 92% at the currently recommended 6 feet of social distancing, according to a recent editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association. They do not restrict breathing but they tend fog. They can be bought online

got one on order. But my dr says not good enough. No dr appts without a face mask.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

 

[SeaGal]

That has nothing to do with the point.

The government does have the authority to force you wear a mask. All they have to do is start charging your asses with attempted murder or assault.

Oh my, what ever happened to 'my body, my choice'?

 

[Lesh]

I finally did it.

I went out with a mask on, given governor Greg Abbott's orders for Texas.

I took a pair of the wife's g-string panties and put them over my face. People in the grocery store were either appalled or amused.

Wife made me wear a clean pair, over my objection (love that lady musk).

People either laughed, tried not to laugh, or were completely appalled. The cashier was definitely appalled little teen dipshit. She even carded me for the beer I purchased (first time on several years).

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the ass on which those panties sat!!!

The order said a cover over the nose and mouth.

Why not panties?

Wear a mask. A real one...and wear it over the holes in your face

 

[Flopper]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

No, the WHO develops the test and publishes the procedure so any country can produce them. Also the WHO, produces the tests for 3rd world countries who can not. The procedure for building the tests kits were available in January and the CDC could have produced the WHO tests but they chose to develop their own and failed.

The president only needed to tell the CDC one thing. I need working test kits in 30 days. It has top priority. This was certainly doable because countries that had far less resources than the US did it. However, that's pretty hard for a president who is downplaying the virus and telling the country the virus is just the common Flu.

The basic problem had nothing to do with the CDC, or our ability to produce test kits but rather a president facing an impeachment vote in the Senate and a reelection campaign. For Trump the virus was just an "inconvenient truth" that he chose to ignore paying no attention to his medical experts who must have told how important it was to control the virus before it spread. His response was to first downplay significance of virus and then to try to shift the blame for our poor response to China, WHO, Obama, the democrats, the states, the hospitals, ect.

America was the best prepared nation in world to deal with a pandemic but the lack planning and lack of leadership during the crucial first months of the epidemic resulted in one of the worst responses of any nation. And the responsibility falls on the president.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

No, the WHO develops the test and publishes the procedure so any country can produce them. Also the WHO, produces the tests for 3rd world countries who can not. The procedure for building the tests kits were available in January and the CDC could have produced the WHO tests but they chose to develop their own and failed.

The president only needed to tell the CDC one thing. I need working test kits in 30 days. It has top priority. This was certainly doable because countries that had far less resources than the US did it. However, that's pretty hard for a president who is downplaying the virus and telling the country the virus is just the common Flu.

The basic problem had nothing to do with the CDC, or our ability to produce test kits but rather a president facing an impeachment vote in the Senate and a reelection campaign. For Trump the virus was just an "inconvenient truth" that he chose to ignore paying no attention to his medical experts who must have told how important it was to control the virus before it spread. His response was to first downplay significance of virus and then to try to shift the blame for our poor response to China, WHO, Obama, the democrats, the states, the hospitals, ect.

America was the best prepared nation in world to deal with a pandemic but the lack planning and lack of leadership during the crucial first months of the epidemic resulted in one of the worst responses of any nation. And the responsibility falls on the president.

Keep your dreams because you're going to need them in November. Democrats like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Piglosi all were doing the exact same as Trump because nobody knew at the time the seriousness of the problem. Even Fauci stated that there was no reason for concern and highly recommended that Americans not be worried enough to walk around with masks. In other words, nobody knew including the Presdient.

However when problems arose, the President met the challenge and did an extraordinary job. All you are doing here is trying to may excuses why this is Trump's fault and not our bureaucracies, WHO, or China. But voters won't buy it, trust me on that one.

 

[beautress]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

BS sez: "I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them"

Proof please.

 

[Flopper]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

No, the WHO develops the test and publishes the procedure so any country can produce them. Also the WHO, produces the tests for 3rd world countries who can not. The procedure for building the tests kits were available in January and the CDC could have produced the WHO tests but they chose to develop their own and failed.

The president only needed to tell the CDC one thing. I need working test kits in 30 days. It has top priority. This was certainly doable because countries that had far less resources than the US did it. However, that's pretty hard for a president who is downplaying the virus and telling the country the virus is just the common Flu.

The basic problem had nothing to do with the CDC, or our ability to produce test kits but rather a president facing an impeachment vote in the Senate and a reelection campaign. For Trump the virus was just an "inconvenient truth" that he chose to ignore paying no attention to his medical experts who must have told how important it was to control the virus before it spread. His response was to first downplay significance of virus and then to try to shift the blame for our poor response to China, WHO, Obama, the democrats, the states, the hospitals, ect.

America was the best prepared nation in world to deal with a pandemic but the lack planning and lack of leadership during the crucial first months of the epidemic resulted in one of the worst responses of any nation. And the responsibility falls on the president.

Keep your dreams because you're going to need them in November. Democrats like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Piglosi all were doing the exact same as Trump because nobody knew at the time the seriousness of the problem. Even Fauci stated that there was no reason for concern and highly recommended that Americans not be worried enough to walk around with masks. In other words, nobody knew including the Presdient.

However when problems arose, the President met the challenge and did an extraordinary job. All you are doing here is trying to may excuses why this is Trump's fault and not our bureaucracies, WHO, or China. But voters won't buy it, trust me on that one.

Of course they were confident. America had the best infrastructural in the world for dealing with a pandemic, number virology labs, number icu beds, number trained healthcare workers, etc. Who would have guessed that the president would be downplaying the virus, ignore the warnings of his weekly security briefings, and assigning Pence the job of assuring the states that the administration had the problem under control when in reality nothing was under control. No one was checking to make sure emergency stockpiles were sufficient, that we had working test kits, labs were ready to process tests, that the administration was following their pandemic response plan, coordinating with the state depts of health agreeing on divisions of responsibility, ......

You sound like the Herbert Hoover campaign in 1932 explaining how successful he was dealing with the depression. Voters didn't buy that bullshit then and there're not going to buy it now because as Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." Blaming the bureaucracy, China, WHO, Obama, etc. won't fly. Donald Trump on multiple occasions said "its not my responsibility." Well if it's not his responsibility to protect the welfare and lives of millions of Americans, who's responsibility is it? China? WHO? Obama?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

www.statnews.com

The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

khn.org

US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

www.foxnews.com

I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

No, the WHO develops the test and publishes the procedure so any country can produce them. Also the WHO, produces the tests for 3rd world countries who can not. The procedure for building the tests kits were available in January and the CDC could have produced the WHO tests but they chose to develop their own and failed.

The president only needed to tell the CDC one thing. I need working test kits in 30 days. It has top priority. This was certainly doable because countries that had far less resources than the US did it. However, that's pretty hard for a president who is downplaying the virus and telling the country the virus is just the common Flu.

The basic problem had nothing to do with the CDC, or our ability to produce test kits but rather a president facing an impeachment vote in the Senate and a reelection campaign. For Trump the virus was just an "inconvenient truth" that he chose to ignore paying no attention to his medical experts who must have told how important it was to control the virus before it spread. His response was to first downplay significance of virus and then to try to shift the blame for our poor response to China, WHO, Obama, the democrats, the states, the hospitals, ect.

America was the best prepared nation in world to deal with a pandemic but the lack planning and lack of leadership during the crucial first months of the epidemic resulted in one of the worst responses of any nation. And the responsibility falls on the president.

Keep your dreams because you're going to need them in November. Democrats like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Piglosi all were doing the exact same as Trump because nobody knew at the time the seriousness of the problem. Even Fauci stated that there was no reason for concern and highly recommended that Americans not be worried enough to walk around with masks. In other words, nobody knew including the Presdient.

However when problems arose, the President met the challenge and did an extraordinary job. All you are doing here is trying to may excuses why this is Trump's fault and not our bureaucracies, WHO, or China. But voters won't buy it, trust me on that one.

Of course they were confident. America had the best infrastructural in the world for dealing with a pandemic, number virology labs, number icu beds, number trained healthcare workers, etc. Who would have guessed that the president would be downplaying the virus, ignore the warnings of his weekly security briefings, and assigning Pence the job of assuring the states that the administration had the problem under control when in reality nothing was under control. No one was checking to make sure emergency stockpiles were sufficient, that we had working test kits, labs were ready to process tests, that the administration was following their pandemic response plan, coordinating with the state depts of health agreeing on divisions of responsibility, ......

You sound like the Herbert Hoover campaign in 1932 explaining how successful he was dealing with the depression. Voters didn't buy that bullshit then and there're not going to buy it now because as Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." Blaming the bureaucracy, China, WHO, Obama, etc. won't fly. Donald Trump on multiple occasions said "its not my responsibility." Well if it's not his responsibility to protect the welfare and lives of millions of Americans, who's responsibility is it? China? WHO? Obama?

Again, Trump left the experts to make the decisions on what needed to be done, and executed those plans. Yes, people will buy it when Trump explains it to the public during the debates, if they dare bring it up or accept a debate. The MSM, continuing their 90+ percentage of negative coverage of the President, would never tell their audience the truth. That's why the truth will come out during the debates, or if you watch Fox news.

Regardless of what you think, we do not live in an autocracy. The President has limited powers, just like the House, Senate and Judiciary.

 

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Just because democrats believe in racial equality and willing to

Whatever is commonly excepted, he is willing to challenge it if he sees it to his advantage to do so. Unlike most presidents, he has no pet issues that drive him, only the desire to win. The issues such as immigration, voter fraud, coronavirus, abortion, trade, defense, etc are nothing to him but winning is everything. If he wins the next election and democrats win the congress, I would expect he would change positions on almost all issues he supported to win the election.

Possible, but not likely. We will have two choices this election: Trump and Biden. If Trump wins, he may go in the opposite direction of all his issues. If Biden wins, we know that's the direction he's going. I'd say our best chances for that not to happen is voting for President Trump.

Well, if you're happy with 11.5% unemployment, 132,000 dead from an epidemic the president is now promoting by failing to support his administration guidelines, and division and violence in every major city due in no small part from the presidents message of hate and division then Trump's your man because it will certainly continue under his leadership.

Yes, I am happy. I'm happy with the way he handled it, how he went into action getting PPE and equipment in case this thing really got out of hand, I liked the way he helped these Democrat cities be prepared since they had the worst of it. I do like everything he did.

A police officer is responsible for a death of a black career criminal in a Democrat town in a Democrat state. Democrats went out to protest, riot, and destroy personal and public property. Trying to convince people that all this Democrat activity was Trump's fault will only fall on deaf ears, other than the liberals who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. They still believe Russia fixed our election after all.

The shutdown closed down the country. When we started opening back up, employment shot back up; not nearly to the successful levels Trump had us at, but very impressive. June numbers were very impressive, along with a higher consumer confidence index. The stock market is even bouncing along in the right direction. You bet I'm satisfied. Trump gave America assurance that everything would be alright. That's what a real leader is supposed to do, especially when his opposition were telling people this was the end of the Fn world because they were trying to help destroy the economy.

Well I'm glad you're happy. I wonder how many other voters are going to be happy with a 10% unemployment rate, an epidemic that has killed over 200,000 and is still out of control, and racial unrest and violence in all the major cities.

Did you blame Hussein for the racial unrest and violence of major cities? He had two riots during his terms. Trump had one. And keep in mind, all were in Democrat run cities.

Unemployment being at 10% is not acceptable under normal conditions. This is not a normal condition. This is a worldwide pandemic. The fact that we cut our unemployment in half in two months amid this worldwide problem is acceptable to me.

I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, the violence, nor the economic slowdown. I blame him for making it worse, a lot worse.

Trump's rhetoric fans the flames violence and division. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. With the country on edge, ravaged by an epidemic, hammered by economic collapse, divided over lockdowns and even face masks and now torn apart once again by race, Trump’s first instinct has been to look for someone to fight and to cast blame.

Trump makes no appeal for calm. Instead in tweets and comments to reporters, he blames the unrest on Democrats, called on “Liberal Governors and Mayors” to get “MUCH tougher” on the crowds, threatened to intervene with “the unlimited power of our Military” and even suggested his own supporters mount a counter demonstration. Turmp has done just about everything a president should not do when dealing social unrest, protests, and riots.

Obama's reaction is just the opposite of Donald Trump, calm, rarely judgmental, and always addressing what is being done or can be done to cool down the situation. Trump reaction is sending in troops, suggesting that violence should be met with more violence.

And Trump is absolutely correct. How many weeks has this been going on for now? It's ridiculous. But why the continued civil unrest? Because nobody is stopping it, even to the point of calling this mayhem the Summer of Love.

These problems are not taking place in red cities with Republicans leading the charge. These problems stem from Democrat cities with Democrats causing the problems and damage. At the beginning your people were screaming that Trump is not doing anything about it, and when Trump announced that he may, are now screaming he's being to confrontational and divisive.

You are biased which is why you see things the way you do, but people not diehard Democrats do not see things the way you do. They see things for what they really are, and the November election will be evidence of that. People are going back to work, spending money, trying to regain some semblance of normality. Unemployment dropped dramatically, and it's all because we have a President restoring confidence in the public.

The root cause of the problem is police killing blacks, not the democrat party. There are hundreds of cities with democrat mayors that experience little or no violence in protests and there has been protest with violence in a number of cities with republican mayors such as Sioux Falls SD, Omaha, NB, Las Vegas, Nv, Miami Fl, and Jacksonville Fl. The political party of the mayor is irrelevant.

The kind of help cities with racial unrest, protests, and violence are looking for from the president are peaceful solutions and words to calm down the violence not treats send in troops and turn the city into a blood bath.

BTW If you haven't figured this out, every member on this board including you are biased.

Without doubt I'm biased. But I also see things clearly. You don't have Republicans in polo shirts tipping over police cars and starting stores on fire. So what violence took place in cities with Republican leadership that did nothing, or even encouraged it?

Over this weekend, there were 29 shootings and three dead in the city of Cleveland. The lowlifes painted a BLM mural on a main street, and the Mayor had 24/7 police protection for that mural while all the other units were extremely backed up on their calls making it more dangerous for them and citizens alike. Now there is a movement to ape other cities in getting rid of or defunding their police department. So the show is just getting started.

You see, there is no logical person that can look at all this and blame the President of the United States, especially since a city has to make a request to the White House for aid, which to my knowledge, no Democrat Mayor did. Democrats are party first--country second people which is why they are defunding or considering defunding their police departments. There will be a crime wave like we've never seen before in these areas, and they (with the help of MSM) try to blame all these Democrat idiotic moves on the President. But like I said, it won't work on open minded people.

As I said, mayors, both democrat and republican in cities with violence only want one thing form the president, keep the fuck out of their city and take his hate filled rhetoric someplace else. It's causing enough problems as it is. If the mayors decide their police need help, they can ask the governor to send in the National Guard who are much better trained at riot control than federal troops. Trump has done absolutely nothing to quell the violence but has sure aggravated it. By inserting himself into a highly charged racial issue and attacking mayors and threatening to have unruly protesters shot, he is just makes the situation worse by bringing Trump and anti Trump protesters into the melee.

Hasn't he made the epidemic bad enough by delaying the test kits for nearly two months and then encouraging his folks to violate mask and social distancing guidelines. Why in the world does he think he needs more violence in the streets. How does that help him in November?

First of all it has nothing to do with Trump or who is in the White House. Thanks to our last failed President who did nothing with the riots, people now feel they can conduct them anytime they wish with impunity. Secondly, this has absolutely nothing to do with race. The police never said anything racial while trying to arrest this guy, they didn't go after him because he was black, they went after him for passing counterfeit money, which is a federal offense, and the only people that made it racial are the Democrats because they feel the people are stupid enough to believe it when they say it. Their readers will never question nor research their claim. It was the clerk of the store that summoned police.

Thirdly, Trump never held up any testing kits. The only people who had FDA approval to make those kits were the CDC. When we realized we were starting to have a serious problem, they started to use those kits which were defective, and they all had to be thrown out. The President was faced with this serious problem with no available tests. So he did whatever he could to get the private market to help save the day. The problem is by the time we found all this out, nearly everybody in the world wanted those test kits too.

You will learn all these things and more during the debates, if the DNC doesn't keep Biden away from Trump which I believe is going to be their number one priority.

The BLM protests have nothing to do with race? Now that's a new one.

Who do you think the CDC and FDA work for? Among all of Trump's little projects like building walls and draining swamps, and of course getting himself reelected, he has the responsibility of managing his people. The CDC had the same information at the same time as the rest of world and they had working test kits in March and the US did not. The president has to answer for this fuck up because there are a lot people that died do to the fact that there was no screening for the virus thus very little contract tracing and quarantining.

I'm sure Trump will try to blame everybody from Obama to China to the WHO, to his own people for lack test kits but that's not gonna fly because this is the Trump's responsibility. Although Trump said in March he refuses to take any responsibility for this, you can bet voters are going to hold him responsible.

Then I think you're dreaming. Trump is not in charge of who the FDA gave exclusive rights to creating test kits. He nor anybody else even paid attention. It's not his fault, it's our bureaucracies (as usual) that are at fault. It was all hand washing; one bureaucracy taking care of another.

Yes, BLM is about race. They made a race issue that never existed. However the situation had nothing to do with race other than the fact the officer was white and suspect black, which is most of the time anyway. The officer didn't use any racial epithets, he didn't mention race, he has no history of problems with people of color. It was simply because he was white. Of course if it was the other way around and we made a big deal out of it, you on the left would be screaming stereotyping and racial profiling.

Yes, Trump will blame China as most any half-intelligent person would. That's where the virus originated from. They kept the world in the dark when they should have alerted everybody from day one. Instead, while they banned domestic flights out of Wuhan, they allowed international flights to pass the disease to the rest of the world. Try convincing voters that was Trump's fault.

If the Democrats have the guts to let Biden debate President Trump, they will make no mention of your concerns. If they do, the President will educate all the public what really took place in this whole insane situation. Watch how they avoid those questions.

It's a bit delusional to believe the president has no responsibility for the people that serve at his pleasure. His orders carry the weight of law within the executive branch of government. Trump is not an outsider, he is the head of the government and he is ultimately responsible for the executive branch of government.

The problems in producing test kits in the first 90 days of the epidemic lie with the CDC, not contractors. The CDC failed in it's effort to produce workable test kits and the Trump administration failed to take advantage of the test kits developed by the WHO. Instead our government plodded along in March until they finally contracted for production of test kits to supply the states. By the time the states were receiving workable test kits the window for controlling the virus had closed. During the first 60 to 90 days of an epidemic every minute counts because the virus will spread exponentially. A few cases become dozens and dozens become thousands.

Suggesting that in the debates you will get the real story of how the Trump administration squandered those precious days from late January to early March is not going to happen and you know it. He will blame everyone he can think of but certainly will not take any responsibility.

Testing failures have plagued the U.S. response to Covid-19. How did we get here?

Problems with diagnostic testing have plagued the U.S. response to the #coronavirus pandemic. How did we get here?

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The Biden campaign referred us to a Politico article that said the WHO shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is technically correct, but it suggests that the United States would have been on the list under any circumstances.

The countries WHO helped are ones that lack the virology lab horsepower that exists across the United States. The outreach work by the Pan American Health Organization is a case in point.

The group is WHO’s arm in the Americas. It conducted trainings and sent materials to conduct tests to 29 nations. The list included Paraguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile, Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua and many others.

The group said it focused most of its efforts on “countries with the weakest health systems.”

“No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States,” said WHO spokesperson Margaret Harris. “This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity.”

Biden Falsely Blames Trump Administration For Rejecting WHO Coronavirus Test Kits (That Were Never Offered) - KFF Health News

Biden’s statement leaves out context about how countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.

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US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

The United States was ranked the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019 by the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security (JHU) -- an assessment seemingly at odds with claims by top Democrats that the Trump administration left...

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I agree. The United States has traditional developed it's own test. That does not mean we couldn't use the WHO tests, even thou we refuse to pay them. The WHO as well other countries publishes the procedure for creating tests. However, that might have been a bit embarrassing for Trump. The CDC traditional develops tests and manufactures them in small numbers then contracts for larger numbers if needed. It would be interesting to see the actually details of what occurred between the time genome was release by China, about Jan 5th and early March. The cover story is that there was contamination in the CDC's Respiratory Virus Diagnostic Lab. Redfield needs to be dusting off his resume because he's probably going to be Trump's scapegoat.

BTW The top ranking of US in the index means that US's robust healthcare system, infrastructure, medical research, amount government spends on healthcare and research, number ICU beds, ect shows the US should have lead the world in the pandemic response. Instead they lead the world in number cases and deaths.

The bottom line is that the WHO never made any tests for the US or countries who take care of their own problems. They never offered them to us either. Even if we wanted them, the WHO couldn't possibly produce enough to supply 100 million people yet alone 330. If they could, why should the US, the main funder of the WHO, pay for them?

I know you're desperate to blame this entire problem on Trump, but when the Democrats make an accusation, my suggestion to you is that you check it out very carefully before using it. The President listens to his people, especially those who are more knowledgable in areas he's not. So he's not going to tell the CDC or the FDA to immediately approve anything they believe is not ready for the public yet. Imagine this, Trump tells the FDA to approve X immediately. They do so against their better judgement and even object to Trumps order, but they do it anyway. Now these test kits or whatever turn out to be faulty, and we have to go back and start all over again putting off needed medicine or test kits, or PPE even longer. Would you and the rest on the left say he used his authority wisely and give him credit for trying???

No, the WHO develops the test and publishes the procedure so any country can produce them. Also the WHO, produces the tests for 3rd world countries who can not. The procedure for building the tests kits were available in January and the CDC could have produced the WHO tests but they chose to develop their own and failed.

The president only needed to tell the CDC one thing. I need working test kits in 30 days. It has top priority. This was certainly doable because countries that had far less resources than the US did it. However, that's pretty hard for a president who is downplaying the virus and telling the country the virus is just the common Flu.

The basic problem had nothing to do with the CDC, or our ability to produce test kits but rather a president facing an impeachment vote in the Senate and a reelection campaign. For Trump the virus was just an "inconvenient truth" that he chose to ignore paying no attention to his medical experts who must have told how important it was to control the virus before it spread. His response was to first downplay significance of virus and then to try to shift the blame for our poor response to China, WHO, Obama, the democrats, the states, the hospitals, ect.

America was the best prepared nation in world to deal with a pandemic but the lack planning and lack of leadership during the crucial first months of the epidemic resulted in one of the worst responses of any nation. And the responsibility falls on the president.

Keep your dreams because you're going to need them in November. Democrats like Cuomo, DeBlasio, Piglosi all were doing the exact same as Trump because nobody knew at the time the seriousness of the problem. Even Fauci stated that there was no reason for concern and highly recommended that Americans not be worried enough to walk around with masks. In other words, nobody knew including the Presdient.

However when problems arose, the President met the challenge and did an extraordinary job. All you are doing here is trying to may excuses why this is Trump's fault and not our bureaucracies, WHO, or China. But voters won't buy it, trust me on that one.

Of course they were confident. America had the best infrastructural in the world for dealing with a pandemic, number virology labs, number icu beds, number trained healthcare workers, etc. Who would have guessed that the president would be downplaying the virus, ignore the warnings of his weekly security briefings, and assigning Pence the job of assuring the states that the administration had the problem under control when in reality nothing was under control. No one was checking to make sure emergency stockpiles were sufficient, that we had working test kits, labs were ready to process tests, that the administration was following their pandemic response plan, coordinating with the state depts of health agreeing on divisions of responsibility, ......

You sound like the Herbert Hoover campaign in 1932 explaining how successful he was dealing with the depression. Voters didn't buy that bullshit then and there're not going to buy it now because as Harry Truman said, "The buck stops here." Blaming the bureaucracy, China, WHO, Obama, etc. won't fly. Donald Trump on multiple occasions said "its not my responsibility." Well if it's not his responsibility to protect the welfare and lives of millions of Americans, who's responsibility is it? China? WHO? Obama?

Again, Trump left the experts to make the decisions on what needed to be done, and executed those plans. Yes, people will buy it when Trump explains it to the public during the debates, if they dare bring it up or accept a debate. The MSM, continuing their 90+ percentage of negative coverage of the President, would never tell their audience the truth. That's why the truth will come out during the debates, or if you watch Fox news.

Regardless of what you think, we do not live in an autocracy. The President has limited powers, just like the House, Senate and Judiciary.

Trump made the decision to declare the virus the common flu, a democrat hoax in February, the most critical month in controlling the virus. The words of the president creates both international and domestic policy. His administration followed the president's lead. The CDC produced and insufficient number of test kits of which most didn't work. The FDA failed to change regulations so tests could be processed in the states. No one every check the stockpiles of equipment and supplies needed to fight the epidemic. No one ordered reagents needed for test processing There was no coordination between state and federal agencies, labs didn't have what was needed to process tests. And the president declared it wasn't his responsibility. I guess he thought it was Obama's.

Worst of all, two weeks after Trump declared a national emergency, he began moving away from recommendations of the pandemic response team, recommending to open up the churches, opposing stay home orders and finally setting an example for the nation by refusing to wear a mask and mocking those that did.

The president did not need to exercise any autocratic powers. He just needed to pay attention to security briefing in December and January, establish the threat as a top priority for his administration in January and February. Instead of pushing the pandemic response off on Pence, he should have taken charge from time the Pandemic Response Team first met in January. And lastly, he should have followed the recommendations of his pandemic response team and not abandoned it in April when the virus was spreading across the country like wildfire. As a result, his supporters began abandoning the CDC recommendations, openly opposing the governors orders to wear mask and even questioning the seriousness of the epidemic.