"Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts"

[Asclepias]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

And if you acted on your threat and got shot, you'd be blaming the gun.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. He didnt have a gun and I didnt get shot. He got to steppin.

 

[Asclepias]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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That doesn't make it legal. Ask the bakery shops that got sued for refusing to bake a cake for gay weddings.

Being gay isnt a virus you can catch retard.

Didn't the sign you posted say "to anyone?"

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well anyone would include gay couples, wouldn't they?

It would include them as well if they were not wearing masks. Why do you ask? Dont you know what anybody means?

Then do this: Open up a business and refuse to serve anybody without a mask. They will go to your competitor and shop with them, and you'll likely lose their business for life.

When our state first adopted CCW laws, we gave vendors an option to hang a sign on their door stopping armed customers from entering. If they had that sign on their door and you went in armed, you were breaking the law. So most stores did hang those signs on their doors and windows.

As more and more people got their license, they quit patronizing those businesses and went elsewhere. Today, you don't even see those signs in the windows and doors any longer because they couldn't afford to lose all that business.

Again, I wear my mask when in public, but it's my own choice which it should always be. If somebody else doesn't want to wear one, that's their choice too. It's likely that people who had this thing will never get it again, and there are people who have the antibodies to never get it. Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?

" It's likely..."
"Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?"

Because "likely" arent good enough odds to play with someones life. Now if you can prove all that is true beyond all shadow of a doubt you would have a point.

It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease.

We can't make law or insist such people have to abide by laws that likely don't apply to them, nor can we do five years of experimenting before we come to that conclusion.

People who are near death (if fortunate enough) have blood infused with those antibodies to save their lives from people that got the virus and survived. They are not waiting for empirical evidence, they are using the odds of law. The problem is we don't have enough blood to go around to everybody.

"It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease. "

If that were true in all cases why do people continue to catch the cold? You do realize this virus is closer to the common cold than anything else right?

A cold is not a virus. The flu is, but it resurfaces in different strains every year, so a vaccine isn't possible. The coronavirus can do the same, but as of right now, it's Covid-19 that's the problem.

 

[Asclepias]

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That doesn't make it legal. Ask the bakery shops that got sued for refusing to bake a cake for gay weddings.

Being gay isnt a virus you can catch retard.

Didn't the sign you posted say "to anyone?"

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well anyone would include gay couples, wouldn't they?

It would include them as well if they were not wearing masks. Why do you ask? Dont you know what anybody means?

Then do this: Open up a business and refuse to serve anybody without a mask. They will go to your competitor and shop with them, and you'll likely lose their business for life.

When our state first adopted CCW laws, we gave vendors an option to hang a sign on their door stopping armed customers from entering. If they had that sign on their door and you went in armed, you were breaking the law. So most stores did hang those signs on their doors and windows.

As more and more people got their license, they quit patronizing those businesses and went elsewhere. Today, you don't even see those signs in the windows and doors any longer because they couldn't afford to lose all that business.

Again, I wear my mask when in public, but it's my own choice which it should always be. If somebody else doesn't want to wear one, that's their choice too. It's likely that people who had this thing will never get it again, and there are people who have the antibodies to never get it. Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?

" It's likely..."
"Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?"

Because "likely" arent good enough odds to play with someones life. Now if you can prove all that is true beyond all shadow of a doubt you would have a point.

It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease.

We can't make law or insist such people have to abide by laws that likely don't apply to them, nor can we do five years of experimenting before we come to that conclusion.

People who are near death (if fortunate enough) have blood infused with those antibodies to save their lives from people that got the virus and survived. They are not waiting for empirical evidence, they are using the odds of law. The problem is we don't have enough blood to go around to everybody.

He doesn’t know viruses don’t go away. Are bodies become immune. And he thinks he knows science

Evidently I know more science than you do. Are you immune to the common cold?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

 

[Asclepias]

View attachment 358712

That doesn't make it legal. Ask the bakery shops that got sued for refusing to bake a cake for gay weddings.

Being gay isnt a virus you can catch retard.

Didn't the sign you posted say "to anyone?"

Yes. Why do you ask?

Well anyone would include gay couples, wouldn't they?

It would include them as well if they were not wearing masks. Why do you ask? Dont you know what anybody means?

Then do this: Open up a business and refuse to serve anybody without a mask. They will go to your competitor and shop with them, and you'll likely lose their business for life.

When our state first adopted CCW laws, we gave vendors an option to hang a sign on their door stopping armed customers from entering. If they had that sign on their door and you went in armed, you were breaking the law. So most stores did hang those signs on their doors and windows.

As more and more people got their license, they quit patronizing those businesses and went elsewhere. Today, you don't even see those signs in the windows and doors any longer because they couldn't afford to lose all that business.

Again, I wear my mask when in public, but it's my own choice which it should always be. If somebody else doesn't want to wear one, that's their choice too. It's likely that people who had this thing will never get it again, and there are people who have the antibodies to never get it. Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?

" It's likely..."
"Why should those people be forced to wear any mask at all?"

Because "likely" arent good enough odds to play with someones life. Now if you can prove all that is true beyond all shadow of a doubt you would have a point.

It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease.

We can't make law or insist such people have to abide by laws that likely don't apply to them, nor can we do five years of experimenting before we come to that conclusion.

People who are near death (if fortunate enough) have blood infused with those antibodies to save their lives from people that got the virus and survived. They are not waiting for empirical evidence, they are using the odds of law. The problem is we don't have enough blood to go around to everybody.

"It's been noted for some time now. When you fight off (whatever) your body does so by building antibodies to fight it. Antibodies don't go away, they remain in your system to fight off another possible attack of the same disease. "

If that were true in all cases why do people continue to catch the cold? You do realize this virus is closer to the common cold than anything else right?

A cold is not a virus. The flu is, but it resurfaces in different strains every year, so a vaccine isn't possible. The coronavirus can do the same, but as of right now, it's Covid-19 that's the problem.

"A cold is not a virus. "
Yes it is idiot. its a rhino virus.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

And if you acted on your threat and got shot, you'd be blaming the gun.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. He didnt have a gun and I didnt get shot. He got to steppin.

Apparently. But if you pick a fight with somebody and they feel endangered and shoot you, you would only have yourself to blame.

 

[Asclepias]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

It is when my life is at stake. I did what I did and if you dont like that then too bad.

 

[Asclepias]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

And if you acted on your threat and got shot, you'd be blaming the gun.

If a cow had nuts it would be a bull. He didnt have a gun and I didnt get shot. He got to steppin.

Apparently. But if you pick a fight with somebody and they feel endangered and shoot you, you would only have yourself to blame.

Thats called consequences. I wasnt exactly going to let him go for a gun.

 

[Markle]

More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

As you know, Ralph Nader was proven wrong in his book just as was Rachel Carson about DDT.

 

[Leo123]

Late 1800's early 1900's, hospitals would use masks in one operating room, and work without masks (which was the normal at the time) in another.

Then they would count the toe tags in the morgue.

Thanks but that is completely different than the rationalization for wearing masks today. We are not operating on anyone, we are not exposed to their blood, flesh and internal organs nor are we exposing them to the same threat of our viruses going directly into their internal organs.

You don't understand, the mask trials proved it prevented spreading disease from the person wearing the mask to the patient.

And the resulting drop in mortality was clear and convincing evidence it worked.

As I said, they just had to count toe tags.

Yes but, as I told you, everyday life is not an operating room. Where a person's internal organs are not exposed to others and one's own natural defenses (skin, mucous, immune system) are not compromised by some incision. Masks are appropriate in the operating room but not in the grocery store (for example). I would think that would be pretty obvious.

 

[Markle]

Seatbelts is a great example of how people get turned into sheep. We were told it was safer, most agreed but really didn’t think a law forcing you to wear one was a good idea. So when the sheep wouldn’t do as they were told by those that know what’s best for them they started “nudging” you in the right direction. Laws “suggesting” you should wear one. No fines or anything but an officer would pull you over, waste some of your time and have a friendly little chat about how all of this could have been avoided if you had just taken their “suggestion”.

Of course that didn’t take long to turn into click it or ticket but the sheep had to get a few nudges before the actual shove could be justified.

Makes you think. What kind of “suggestions” are they making today?

It’s Ironic that this thread was created today when it was cause I was just thinking the exact same thing today that it’s no surprise we live in a facist dictatership with all these dreconian laws now.I was thinking to myself today that man,it’s no surprise we are being dictated today on what to do,that we have to wear these masks.thats when i thought about the seatbelt laws how the sheep let that happen,that if we were really a free country,we would not be ordered to wear a seatbelt.that it should be a persons choice or not if they want to wear one,if they get in an accident,then that was their choice they made that they suffered S they did,they did not harm anybody else by not putting on their own seatbelt. Our forefathers sure would never have stood for it.

the way the sheep have let them strip away so many of our rights,expect this to be the new normal.

In truth, we have actual scientific evidence that seat belts save lives along with better vehicle crash designs. Cars are a human creation and I have no problem with them being designed to be safe and seat belts do help. With the advent of air bags and other safety features, IMO, mandatory seatbelt laws need to be reexamined.

That being said, the scientific evidence that a mask can protect anyone from a virus is just not there. There is no way any statistical model can be accurate when we don't have all the data. There needs to be massively more research into this before we let these politicians start to tyranically dictate where we go, who we see, when we can work, and even what we are allowed to wear and not wear.

I agree with you. I have always been opposed to seatbelt laws. I am not opposed to seatbelt being mandated for folks under a certain age, say eighteen. I'm also not opposed to appropriate car seats for infants and the very young. I remember as a tyke in Chicago I would stand up, next to the window, anyplace we went. If it was with my Grandpop I stood next to him with my arm around his neck. So did all the other kids. We were toast in an accident.

Since I was 13, I've almost always had a motorcycle...or several. I raced motorcycles, cross country in Enduros for quite a number of years and I have usually had a big Harley for road trips. Better still, I live in a state that does NOT require helmets. The vast majority of the time I ride with a helmet. But, there are cool clear nights when I'll take along my phone with my riding playlists and put as many as a couple of hundred miles without one. I've been riding for over 60 years, my head, my choice.

What many do not seem to understand, maybe the do and just don't care, is that freedom and liberty are not free. I don't just mean in treasure or the lives of soldiers fighting for freedom and liberty but also in our own lives.

 

[Markle]

"Went to war about seat belts"? I don't recall that particular war. You almost gotta laugh that mobs are burning cars and tearing down artifacts but the radical left wants to throw you in jail for refusing to wear a freaking surgical mask in public.

Well, it is the Democrats who are burning down our cities, tearing down monuments. They're not going to go after the criminals in their own ranks.

 

[Markle]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

actually very few people complained about seatbelts

ClinicalTrials.gov

clinicaltrials.gov

True, not many folks complained about seatbelts, most folks just did not wear them.

 

[Leo123]

Seatbelts is a great example of how people get turned into sheep. We were told it was safer, most agreed but really didn’t think a law forcing you to wear one was a good idea. So when the sheep wouldn’t do as they were told by those that know what’s best for them they started “nudging” you in the right direction. Laws “suggesting” you should wear one. No fines or anything but an officer would pull you over, waste some of your time and have a friendly little chat about how all of this could have been avoided if you had just taken their “suggestion”.

Of course that didn’t take long to turn into click it or ticket but the sheep had to get a few nudges before the actual shove could be justified.

Makes you think. What kind of “suggestions” are they making today?

It’s Ironic that this thread was created today when it was cause I was just thinking the exact same thing today that it’s no surprise we live in a facist dictatership with all these dreconian laws now.I was thinking to myself today that man,it’s no surprise we are being dictated today on what to do,that we have to wear these masks.thats when i thought about the seatbelt laws how the sheep let that happen,that if we were really a free country,we would not be ordered to wear a seatbelt.that it should be a persons choice or not if they want to wear one,if they get in an accident,then that was their choice they made that they suffered S they did,they did not harm anybody else by not putting on their own seatbelt. Our forefathers sure would never have stood for it.

the way the sheep have let them strip away so many of our rights,expect this to be the new normal.

In truth, we have actual scientific evidence that seat belts save lives along with better vehicle crash designs. Cars are a human creation and I have no problem with them being designed to be safe and seat belts do help. With the advent of air bags and other safety features, IMO, mandatory seatbelt laws need to be reexamined.

That being said, the scientific evidence that a mask can protect anyone from a virus is just not there. There is no way any statistical model can be accurate when we don't have all the data. There needs to be massively more research into this before we let these politicians start to tyranically dictate where we go, who we see, when we can work, and even what we are allowed to wear and not wear.

I agree with you. I have always been opposed to seatbelt laws. I am not opposed to seatbelt being mandated for folks under a certain age, say eighteen. I'm also not opposed to appropriate car seats for infants and the very young. I remember as a tyke in Chicago I would stand up, next to the window, anyplace we went. If it was with my Grandpop I stood next to him with my arm around his neck. So did all the other kids. We were toast in an accident.

Since I was 13, I've almost always had a motorcycle...or several. I raced motorcycles, cross country in Enduros for quite a number of years and I have usually had a big Harley for road trips. Better still, I live in a state that does NOT require helmets. The vast majority of the time I ride with a helmet. But, there are cool clear nights when I'll take along my phone with my riding playlists and put as many as a couple of hundred miles without one. I've been riding for over 60 years, my head, my choice.

What many do not seem to understand, maybe the do and just don't care, is that freedom and liberty are not free. I don't just mean in treasure or the lives of soldiers fighting for freedom and liberty but also in our own lives.

There have been actual experiments to validate the fact that seat belts can restrain occupants from being catapulted out the front window or even side windows. There have been 0 experiments to validate the wearing of masks to stop a virus. There is no basis for mandatory mask wearing at all. As I said, seat belt laws should be re evaluated with the advent of crash limiting designs and air bags and the constant development of safety features that keep occupants from impact with hard surfaces and keeps them inside the car. We are not anywhere close to developing that kind of knowledge about masks yet somehow now everyone has to wear one......Insane.

 

[freyasman]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Driving a car is not a Constitutional right, you blithering idiot.

Nor is going to work or the store without a mask on you fucking retard.

its called life,liberty and pursuit of happiness you racist prick,,,

Its also called murder if someone dies you inbred pos.

No it isn't.

 

[freyasman]

I bet ANYTHING Trump was one of them who was against them, too, just like he is masks.

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

Before face masks, Americans went to war against seat belts

"There was a libertarian streak among resistors," Ralph Nader told Business Insider.

www.businessinsider.com

• A small but vocal minority of people in the US are protesting face-mask mandates.
• In the early 1980s, the public-safety battle was over seat belts. Most Americans didn't use them, and 65% opposed them being enforced by law.
• "There was a libertarian streak among resistors," car-safety pioneer Ralph Nader told Business Insider. "They took the stance that 'you're not going to tie the American people up in seat belts.'"
• More than 50 years after "Unsafe at Any Speed," Nader said, "We are a very hard society to change cognitively.""""

So let's take the politics out of this mask thing and get healthy again!
Protect yourself, protect your friends and take your tip from the scientists and docs!

Driving a car is not a Constitutional right, you blithering idiot.

Nor is going to work or the store without a mask on you fucking retard.

I can choose not to go to a store, and if my employer mandates it that is his right.

The Govt has no authority to force people to wear a mask, idiot.

That has nothing to do with the point.

The government does have the authority to force you wear a mask. All they have to do is start charging your asses with attempted murder or assault.

No they don't.
That you believe they do, illustrates how crazy and authoritarian you are.

 

[freyasman]

There is actually a fundamental difference here. Seatbelts have a minimal effect on those who are not the person wearing the seatbelt and their dependence.

The people refusing to wear masks are putting everyone--but especially medical professional--at risk of death or lifelong disability. They are acting with depraved indifference.

There is really no evidence to prove that. It was only a few months ago where we were told wearing a mask isn't going to solve anything.

I do wear a mask because it was advised to me by my care givers. But it is my option as it should be with any American. Covid cases are up because we have more testing ability now, and because it's summer, more people are exposed to each other. However the death rate didn't grow.

The mask doesnt really protect you dim wit. Its more for protecting others around you by cutting down the distance the virus can travel from your mouth

so if you see someone without a mask just stay away from them,,,
problem solved,,,

Thats not always possible which is why they should be wearing a mask.

thats sounds like their problem not mine,,,

It will become your problem if youre around me. I had to set someone straight just the other day.

How did you set him straight? Or was it an old lady?

I would love for one of you Libnut SoiBois to "set me straight" for not wearing a mask.

I told him to get his ass out the store before I fucked him up. I didnt have to tell him twice.

well isnt that civil of you,,,its more like ,,isnt that fascist of you,,,

Its not ok for that punk ass to first of all ignore the sign that said he should be wearing a mask and then walk up behind me. If he wants to infect people he can take his bitch ass to his own house.

At the same time, if you don't want to get infected, you can do the same.

Nope. I had my mask on per the rules of the store. His punk ass was in the wrong.

It's not up to you to enforce store rules. It's up to the store. Get over yourself for crying out loud.

It is when my life is at stake. I did what I did and if you dont like that then too bad.

No, you're just a bully and like all bullies, a coward.

 

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Promote the general welfare.

that doesnt mean they can force people to do what they dont want to do,,,

Actually it does. People don't want to pay taxes either.

no it doesnt,,, and dont change the subject,,,

Yes it does,that’s not changing the subject,that’s just proof they can force us to do whatever they want to force us because waked wakey,this is not a free country as we have brainwashed by our corrupt schools into thinking,it’s a facist dictatership with a bunch of sheep who let the government take a crap on the constitution decade after decade.

 

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Congress is empowered in the constitution to make all necessary laws to carry out it's enumerated powers.

Which would include promoting the general welfare.

promoting something doesnt involve a gun or force,,,

and please try and stay on subject cause we aint talkin about taxs or armies,,,

It did as I pointed out with the EPA.

no it doesnt unless youre a fascist nazi,,,
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are you a fascist nazi???

Our government sure is