Bad News Warmers

[LadyGunSlinger]

This one is great!! --- THE GLOBAL WARMING HOAX

 

[RDD_1210]

Carbon dioxide is plant food. As all living things, plants take advantage of more available food. So, if there is more CO2 in the air, the happier plants are, because they have more food, and the more they will 'eat'. And they show their appreciation by releasing more oxygen - which is good for us - as the result of their gluttony.

Hey, we are all winners.

But we must remember to be careful and learn from historical examples. Those SUV's and manufacturing plants and coal burning electric generation plants and refrigerators and air-conditioners and cars and trucks and airplanes, 10,000 or so years ago sure played havoc with the mile deep/high ice the Earth was covered with.

Seriously?

So infinite carbon dioxide must be ideal. Right??!

Since human population and - presumably - any natural activity that produces carbon dioxide is nowhere near 'infinity' your question is meaningless.

So then why did you try to make the argument that more CO2 in the air is a good thing?

 

[Redfish]

Seriously?

So infinite carbon dioxide must be ideal. Right??!

Since human population and - presumably - any natural activity that produces carbon dioxide is nowhere near 'infinity' your question is meaningless.

So then why did you try to make the argument that more CO2 in the air is a good thing?

CO2 is .03% of the atmosphere. It is not destroying the planet.

What percent of the atmosphere is C02? - Yahoo! Answers

 

[Duped]

I thought global cooling was a part of global warming

 

[Pete7469]

NOAA's attempt to lie again is destroyed by their own data.

What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend | CNS News

Why must liberals lie about everything????????? Is it genetic?

You have to love the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood "logic." The article states that 2012 was the 8th WARMEST year and the decade ending 2012 was the WARMEST decade in the history of direct instrument measurement and to them that is a COOLING trend!!!!

it would be helpful to the discussion if you would actually read the entire article.

Bed wetters aren't interested in a discussion. They're only going to stomp their feel and wail about the issue. AGW "scientists" have been thoroughly discredited, and the bullshit theories are being rejected by more people every day.

The bottom line is, AGW "scientists" invented a means to fleece billions of dollars from the government and idiots. They started with Global Cooling, cherry picked some data and insisted that they needed funding to study it. When it became clear a new ice age wasn't going to happen because of industry and transportation, they concocted the MMGW scam with the same methods and the same scapegoats.

I would love it if I could invent a crisis and get my demands for funding met to the tune of billions of dollars to "study" it further. Then I could come up with a "solution" that would be as preposterous as enforcing a decline in the human standard of living (at least for the masses, us important people NEED to have planes, yachts and mansions).

It's no surprise that the same sorts of idiots who still believe "progressive" politics benefit anyone except the elite, believe in this AGW hoax. They not only believe in this nonsense, they're devoted to it like cult members pushing and shoving their way to the kool-aid trough.

I do however have the perfect solution to MMGW. It will have minimal initial costs, but require some significant labor investments towards the end of the endeavor. However after the implementation I guarantee the world will be a cooler place and have other benefits.

First, everyone who believes human beings are causing the world's temperature to increase through the production of CO2 absolutely must be involved. It will only be through their collective efforts that success can be achieved. The first task will be to obtain a plastic bag, and a roll of duct tape. Then, again this must be done as a collective and in utopian unison, at precisely 1200 GMT August 31st 2013 place the plastic bag over your head and seal it with the duct tape, thus trapping any exhaled CO2. Remain in that condition for approximately one hour.

I can personally guarantee that on Sept 1st 2013 not only will the world be a cooler place, the collective intelligence of mankind will double. The federal deficit will disappear in no time, and traffic will flow smoothly in every city.

 

[Pete7469]

I thought global cooling was a part of global warming

No, april blizzards in Colorado are the fault of global warming. The global cooling is causing floods when the snow melts.

 

[Meister]

The trigger to man made global warming is money, and the redistribution of money.


Carry on

 

[Redfish]

The trigger to man made global warming is money, and the redistribution of money.


Carry on

notice how all the libtardian AGW worshipers ran away when they were destroyed by facts and logical thought?

liberalism is truly a mental disease.

 

[RDD_1210]

Since human population and - presumably - any natural activity that produces carbon dioxide is nowhere near 'infinity' your question is meaningless.

So then why did you try to make the argument that more CO2 in the air is a good thing?

CO2 is .03% of the atmosphere. It is not destroying the planet.

What percent of the atmosphere is C02? - Yahoo! Answers

So in your expert opinion, how much C02 is too much? In your expert opinion.

 

[hazlnut]

NOAA's attempt to lie again is destroyed by their own data.

What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend | CNS News

Why must liberals lie about everything????????? Is it genetic?

CNS "news"...????

 

[Redfish]

So then why did you try to make the argument that more CO2 in the air is a good thing?

CO2 is .03% of the atmosphere. It is not destroying the planet.

What percent of the atmosphere is C02? - Yahoo! Answers

So in your expert opinion, how much C02 is too much? In your expert opinion.

I am not an expert and never claimed to be one. But common sense should tell you that a naturally occuring gas that makes up .03% of the atmosphere is not destroying the planet.

But since you are the resident expert, tell us, at what % does CO2 begin destroying the planet?

and whille you are working on that, explain this:
Atlanta breaks a century-old temperature record Thursday - CBS Atlanta 46

 

[Freewill]

NOAA's attempt to lie again is destroyed by their own data.

What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend | CNS News

Why must liberals lie about everything????????? Is it genetic?

You have to love the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood "logic." The article states that 2012 was the 8th WARMEST year and the decade ending 2012 was the WARMEST decade in the history of direct instrument measurement and to them that is a COOLING trend!!!!

Until you or the other GW fear mongers tell me exactly how cold the Earth should be and where and how this temperature is measured I think you need to walk outside on this fine AUGUST day and feel how cold is the temperature.

So until some GW fear monger tells me why a warmer Earth is bad, except for Polar Bears, what the temperature should be, and not just colder I think they should all just STFU.

Come to think about it I think that the GW fear mongers are being shills for the oil industry. Colder Earth means more energy needed to warm. The fear mongers seem to work against themselves.

 

[Old Rocks]

NOAA's attempt to lie again is destroyed by their own data.

What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend | CNS News

Why must liberals lie about everything????????? Is it genetic?

This is a complete joke. Just because 2012 was the coolest of the decade, it is not representative of the global warming data trend. A cold year is not an indication the pattern has changed. This is a classic case of cherry picking data to fit an agenda.

This shit isn't even an American issue. The large majority of the INTERNATIONAL scientific community believes in man made global warming. Give it a rest.

Have a link lto that man made global warming? hell will freeze over before you will find it liar.....

Lordy, lordy, another complete ignoramous. Yes, there are many links to information concerning AGW. Here is one from the largest scientific society of physicists in the world, the American Institute of Physics, it explains the history of the discovery of the mechanisms of the warming.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

And here is the unequivocal statement of the scientific society with the largest number of scientists that work on understanding climate, the American Geophyisical Union;

AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate

AGU Position Statement

Human Impacts on Climate

Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change—an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade—is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and—if sustained over centuries—melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.

 

[Freewill]

This is a complete joke. Just because 2012 was the coolest of the decade, it is not representative of the global warming data trend. A cold year is not an indication the pattern has changed. This is a classic case of cherry picking data to fit an agenda.

This shit isn't even an American issue. The large majority of the INTERNATIONAL scientific community believes in man made global warming. Give it a rest.

Have a link lto that man made global warming? hell will freeze over before you will find it liar.....

Lordy, lordy, another complete ignoramous. Yes, there are many links to information concerning AGW. Here is one from the largest scientific society of physicists in the world, the American Institute of Physics, it explains the history of the discovery of the mechanisms of the warming.



The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

And here is the unequivocal statement of the scientific society with the largest number of scientists that work on understanding climate, the American Geophyisical Union;

AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate

AGU Position Statement

Human Impacts on Climate

Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change—an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade—is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and—if sustained over centuries—melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.

OK, in all of that can we screen out how cold the world should be?

What I see is that they are saying that the temperature should never change.

Not saying they are wrong just saying there is a lot of money for people to be making concerning GW fear. Al Gore is a Billionaire because of his pushing GW fear. The groups you state I am sure get funding from the federal government so what is their stake in taking the government line? And don't try and tell me that the federal government won't withhold funding. I talked to a lady that worked for a group that helps teens. She told me, and she has no reason to lie, that they lost federal funding when Obama came into office because they PRIMARILY teach Abstinence. So disagreeing with the Obama administration means loss of money and loss of cushy job.

 

[Redfish]

This is a complete joke. Just because 2012 was the coolest of the decade, it is not representative of the global warming data trend. A cold year is not an indication the pattern has changed. This is a classic case of cherry picking data to fit an agenda.

This shit isn't even an American issue. The large majority of the INTERNATIONAL scientific community believes in man made global warming. Give it a rest.

Have a link lto that man made global warming? hell will freeze over before you will find it liar.....

Lordy, lordy, another complete ignoramous. Yes, there are many links to information concerning AGW. Here is one from the largest scientific society of physicists in the world, the American Institute of Physics, it explains the history of the discovery of the mechanisms of the warming.

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

And here is the unequivocal statement of the scientific society with the largest number of scientists that work on understanding climate, the American Geophyisical Union;

AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate

AGU Position Statement

Human Impacts on Climate

Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system—including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons—are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956–2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change—an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade—is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and—if sustained over centuries—melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.

Is climate the long term average of weather? Then ? Atlanta breaks a century-old temperature record Thursday - CBS Atlanta 46

 

[Greenbeard]

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THE CLIMATE OF EARTH IS NOT CHANGING, IT HAS BEEN CHANGING FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS AND WILL BE CHANGING MILLIONS OF YEARS FROM NOW.

It's changing? Is it getting warmer?

 

[Redfish]

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THE CLIMATE OF EARTH IS NOT CHANGING, IT HAS BEEN CHANGING FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS AND WILL BE CHANGING MILLIONS OF YEARS FROM NOW.

It's changing? Is it getting warmer?

No one knows. Some studies indicate a warming trend, others indicate a cooling trend. But not one valid study PROVES that man has ever had anything to do with it.

The issue is not whether our climate is changing, the issue is whether man is causing it.

 

[Trajan]

NOAA's attempt to lie again is destroyed by their own data.

What Global Warming? 2012 Data Confirms Earth In Cooling Trend | CNS News

Why must liberals lie about everything????????? Is it genetic?

This is a complete joke. Just because 2012 was the coolest of the decade, it is not representative of the global warming data trend. A cold year is not an indication the pattern has changed. This is a classic case of cherry picking data to fit an agenda.

This shit isn't even an American issue. The large majority of the INTERNATIONAL scientific community believes in man made global warming. Give it a rest.

right, I agree, decade sets are a eye blink in time and massaging out of the medieval warming period didn't help. plus the GW folks are their own worst enemies, science in this field doesn't appear very scientifically driven or constructed as it appears people start with point C = a result they want, then put together ( massage) data for points A and B to get them to C regardless.

 

[Greenbeard]

No one knows. Some studies indicate a warming trend, others indicate a cooling trend. But not one valid study PROVES that man has ever had anything to do with it.

The issue is not whether our climate is changing, the issue is whether man is causing it.

The issue does seem to be whether the climate is changing. This entire thread is predicated on denying the changes noted by the NOAA:

The global surface temperature ranked among the top 10 warmest years on record. Over land and ocean combined, 2012 was between 0.14° and 0.17° Celsius (0.25°and 0.31° Fahrenheit) above the 1981–2010 average, depending on the analysis. The globally averaged annual temperature over land was 0.24°–0.29°C (0.43°-0.52°F) above average. And averaged globally, the 2012 ocean temperature was 0.10°–0.14°C (0.18°-0.25°F) above average.

Earth’s average annual surface temperature is higher today than it was when record keeping began in the mid- to late 1800s, an indicator of long-term, global-scale climate warming. All of the top ten warmest years in the record have occurred since the last major El Niño event, in 1998.

Since 1976, every year including 2012 has had an annual temperature above the long-term average. Including the 2012 temperature, the rate of warming is 0.06°C (0.11°F) per decade since 1880 and a more rapid 0.16°C (0.28°F) per decade since 1970, according to the 2012 annual report from NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.

There's nothing in there about human activity--that page isn't about identifying the causal factors, it's simply about reporting climate trends. Thinking about causality is a later step.

You seem to be interested in denying the change in climate itself, given what you've chosen to push back against in this thread. I mean really, "no one knows" if the climate is changing?

 

[Redfish]

No one knows. Some studies indicate a warming trend, others indicate a cooling trend. But not one valid study PROVES that man has ever had anything to do with it.

The issue is not whether our climate is changing, the issue is whether man is causing it.

The issue does seem to be whether the climate is changing. This entire thread is predicated on denying the changes noted by the NOAA:

The global surface temperature ranked among the top 10 warmest years on record. Over land and ocean combined, 2012 was between 0.14° and 0.17° Celsius (0.25°and 0.31° Fahrenheit) above the 1981–2010 average, depending on the analysis. The globally averaged annual temperature over land was 0.24°–0.29°C (0.43°-0.52°F) above average. And averaged globally, the 2012 ocean temperature was 0.10°–0.14°C (0.18°-0.25°F) above average.

Earth’s average annual surface temperature is higher today than it was when record keeping began in the mid- to late 1800s, an indicator of long-term, global-scale climate warming. All of the top ten warmest years in the record have occurred since the last major El Niño event, in 1998.

Since 1976, every year including 2012 has had an annual temperature above the long-term average. Including the 2012 temperature, the rate of warming is 0.06°C (0.11°F) per decade since 1880 and a more rapid 0.16°C (0.28°F) per decade since 1970, according to the 2012 annual report from NOAA's National Climatic Data Center.

There's nothing in there about human activity--that page isn't about identifying the causal factors, it's simply about reporting climate trends. Thinking about causality is a later step.

You seem to be interested in denying the change in climate itself, given what you've chosen to push back against in this thread. I mean really, "no one knows" if the climate is changing?

wrong, I said several times that the climate of our planet is changing-------it has always been changing and will be changing millions of years after man has evaporated into history.

It is the height of human arrogance to believe that we humans could change the climate of the planet.

the AGW hype is nothing but a left wing attempt to gain more control over our everyday lives. Thats the reality of this whole thing.