Atheist Church opens in Chapel Hill, NC

[2aguy]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that Hitler and Stalin learned how to hate and kill people at the local atheist Sunday Mass that they attended religiously every week.....

sadly, if they had embraced the teachings of Jesus they wouldn't have murdered all of those people.....but they became atheists instead....and killed 100 million people........

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

on hitler being an athiest...just watch the history channel when they show all of their programs on the ss.....the atheists and pagans of hitlers elite.....

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anti-clerical, skeptic father and devout Catholic mother.[1] Baptized as an infant and confirmed at the age of fifteen, he ceased attending Mass and participating in thesacraments in later life.[2][3] In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in the pursuit and maintenance of power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[4]

Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,

while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7]

Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8]while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]


So please....spare us the lies...hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot were not religious in any way shape or form and actively tried to kill people who believed in religion......

From your very own quote:

""Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,"""

 

[Vandalshandle]

So, a cheerful "good day" to all my friends in New England. As you crank up your snow blowers again today, I am off to another afternoon, here in Southern AZ, to play water volleyball in the outdoor community pool!

 

[Vandalshandle]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that Hitler and Stalin learned how to hate and kill people at the local atheist Sunday Mass that they attended religiously every week.....

sadly, if they had embraced the teachings of Jesus they wouldn't have murdered all of those people.....but they became atheists instead....and killed 100 million people........

Oh, come on, Bill. You can pretend, but I know that you aren't that simple minded.

 

[2aguy]

I guess that I am a little confused by this post. Perhaps you are referring to the tradition of atheists killing Christians because they are Christians. Now, I can find hundreds of examples of Christian's killing the ungodly, but I have never heard of an atheist killing a Christian for being godly.

No one kills in the name of atheism Evangelicals Now


No one kills in the name of atheism?

Neil Powell, of City Church, Birmingham, takes issue with Richard Dawkins
An atheist told me recently, ‘No one kills in the name of atheism’. In fact he was so sure he told me twice.

He’s not unique in making such a claim. Richard Dawkins writes in The God Delusion: ‘Individual atheists may do evil things but they don’t do evil things in the name of atheism’.

Dawkins won’t even allow us to think that atheism had any influence on Stalin’s murderous regime. He says: ‘The mature Stalin was scathing about the Russian Orthodox Church, and about religion in general. But there is no evidence that his atheism motivated his brutality’.

Such a conclusion is a luxury on offer only to those with absolutely no grasp of history. The reality is that it is a plain and simple, indeed brutal, fact that over the past 100 years atheism, as an ideology, has been a driving force used directly to plan, organise and carry out the mass murder of millions of people.

We will limit ourselves to a consideration of the way in which state-sponsored atheism has been used to justify the intimidation, torture and killing of those whose only crime was belief in God and who posed no other political or ideological threat.

USSR
Atheism was the ideology that lay behind state-sanctioned killing of Christians in the USSR. Karl Marx famously wrote: ‘Religion … is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion, as the illusory happiness of men, is a demand for their real happiness’.

And for Marx that meant the abolition of religion. ‘Of course, in periods when the political state as such is born violently out of civil society, … the state can and must go as far as the abolition of religion, the destruction of religion. But it can do so only in the same way that it proceeds to the abolition of private property, to the maximum, to confiscation, to progressive taxation, just as it goes as far as the abolition of life, the guillotine’.

Interestingly, so indebted to Darwin was Marx that he said of his book: ‘The Origin of Species serves me well as a basis in natural science for the struggle in history’. He actually wrote to Darwin asking if he might dedicate his next book to him. Darwin put his decision to decline down to the sensibilities of his wider family.

Religion targeted
From the very beginnings of the Communist revolution in Russia the state set out to apply the atheism of Marx. Religion was systematically targeted as an enemy of the state, an oppressor of the people. It was something not merely to be discouraged but destroyed.

Lenin said: ‘There can be nothing more abominable than religion’.

Marx’s dogmatic atheism was used as the philosophical justification for the attack on religion beginning with Lenin, continuing under Stalin and maintained right through to the collapse of the Berlin wall. The fact that the attack on religion continued over generations demonstrates that this state-sponsored attack could hardly be blamed on the actions of one individual.

Time magazine summarised the legacy of dogmatic atheism as follows: ‘In the Bolsheviks’ first five years in power, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were cut down by the red sickle. Stalin greatly accelerated the terror, and by the end of Khrushchev’s rule, liquidations of clergy reached an estimated 50,000. After World War II, fierce but generally less bloody persecution spread into the Ukraine and the new Soviet bloc, affecting millions of Roman Catholics and Protestants as well as Orthodox’.

Two giants’ opinions
Two Russian giants of history come to the same conclusion. Alexander N. Yakovlev was a Soviet politician and historian. He is best known as the author of perestroika and has been called ‘the godfather of glasnost’. It was he whose ideas lay behind Gorbachev’s reform of the Soviet Union. As a member of the Politburo no one can claim a greater insight into the rationale behind the workings of the Soviet Empire. In his authoritative work A century of violence in Soviet Russia he records much of the tyranny of evil committed under dogmatic atheism and he estimated that, ‘Under Stalin’s leadership in the purges of 1937-38, some 100,000 Russian Orthodox priests were executed’.

The Nobel prize-winning author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote extensively about life in the Soviet Union, having spent 11 years in the Gulag concentration camps. ‘I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution. In the process, I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own towards the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today the main cause of the ruinous revolution that has swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened”.’

When Dawkins comments, ‘I cannot think of any war that has been fought in the name of atheism’, clearly he cannot be aware of the wars within a nation that has led a state to murder on a vast scale its own citizens, all in the name of atheism.

Albania became the world’s first atheist state in 1967. Its leader, Enver Hoxha, systematically sought to wipe faith off the map by banning religion and closing all religious buildings. Young people were encouraged to attack mosques, churches and tekkes and to turn in remaining clergy to the authorities. Clergy who were still alive by 1967 and had survived 20 years of persecution, were killed or sent to hard labour camps. Most mosques had their minarets destroyed, tombstones with any religious symbols were overturned, people caught wearing religious symbols (e.g. crucifixes, medallions of the Qur’an) could be sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment.

Much as we might like to think of this as something that we can consign to the history books, the persecution of religion in the name of atheism continues today in China and North Korea.

We must not forget
Paul Johnson described the totalitarian state as ‘the greatest killer of all time’. He goes on: ‘State action had been responsible for the violent or unnatural deaths of some 125 million people during the century’. And the reality is that much of that killing was not politically but religiously motivated.

We would be shocked, horrified and concerned if people had never heard of the gas-chambers of Auschwitz, so surely we owe it to the memory of those who died in the Gulags not to forget them. How is it that the hundreds of thousands of brave men and women killed simply for being believers in God in countries such as the Soviet Union, Albania, China, Cambodia and North Korea are forgotten or at best ignored?

What is at stake?
The problem with the militant atheism propagated by Dawkins et al. is that, in an attempt to blame religion for everything, it has to obscure history to exonerate atheism. For Dawkins to claim that Stalin’s murderous actions were not informed by his atheism is beyond belief and the claim that ‘no one kills in the name of atheism’ flies in the face of all the evidence. Quite simply, atheism was used to justify evil on a massive scale.

Once we understand that neither religion nor atheism stand free from accusation, the question remains what is at work in men and women that leads them to kill in both the name of religion and non-religion? If we can’t simply blame religion, where do we go? The answer can be found in something much more fundamental to the human condition, the darkness that resides in every human heart.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote of how he discovered this very fact in his paper What I learned in the Gulag.

‘It was granted to me to carry away from my prison years on my bent back, which nearly broke beneath its load, this essential experience: how a human being becomes evil and how good. In the intoxication of youthful successes I had felt myself to be infallible, and I was therefore cruel. In the surfeit of power I was a murderer and an oppressor. In my most evil moments I was convinced that I was doing good, and I was well supplied with systematic arguments. It was only when I lay there on rotting prison straw that I sensed within myself the first stirrings of good. Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil.’

Thanks IceWeasel...great find....

Except it repeats what I already posted about Stalin. He was a seminary priest who left the Georgian church.

Wow...and Tom Cruise also went to seminary school....and now he is a Scientologist....what difference does it make that stalin as a boy went to church.....when he decided to become an atheist and murdered 25 million people...you lefty atheists think funny......

 

[2aguy]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that Hitler and Stalin learned how to hate and kill people at the local atheist Sunday Mass that they attended religiously every week.....

sadly, if they had embraced the teachings of Jesus they wouldn't have murdered all of those people.....but they became atheists instead....and killed 100 million people........

Oh, come on, Bill. You can pretend, but I know that you aren't that simple minded.

I'm not simple minded...I'm not an atheist or a lefty....and I believe if they had believed in God and his 10 commandments they could not have murdered all of those people .....

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that Hitler and Stalin learned how to hate and kill people at the local atheist Sunday Mass that they attended religiously every week.....

sadly, if they had embraced the teachings of Jesus they wouldn't have murdered all of those people.....but they became atheists instead....and killed 100 million people........

Sorry, but you have not proved anything, especially just how many atheists there are in the world. Since there is no organization for compiling that data, you'll just have to compare how many people attend church as to those who don't.

 

[2aguy]

Except it repeats what I already posted about Stalin. He was a seminary priest who left the Georgian church.

Wow...and Tom Cruise also went to seminary school....and now he is a Scientologist....what difference does it make that stalin as a boy went to church.....when he decided to become an atheist and murdered 25 million people...you lefty atheists think funny......

 

[2aguy]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that Hitler and Stalin learned how to hate and kill people at the local atheist Sunday Mass that they attended religiously every week.....

sadly, if they had embraced the teachings of Jesus they wouldn't have murdered all of those people.....but they became atheists instead....and killed 100 million people........

Sorry, but you have not proved anything, especially just how many atheists there are in the world. Since there is no organization for compiling that data, you'll just have to compare how many people attend church as to those who don't.

What?

 

[hipeter924]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

on hitler being an athiest...just watch the history channel when they show all of their programs on the ss.....the atheists and pagans of hitlers elite.....

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Hitler declared himself an Catholic in public, and denounced atheism in public. However, he severely suppressed religious groups that opposed his regime. Also Hitler had lots of medical issues that put him on drugs all the time.

Hitler believed that the state should be the highest authority on Earth (and that any dissent against the state was a betrayal of his Aryan god), and thus just like Stalin he created cult worship of the state; and Nazism became a religion in itself.

Hitler in private hated Christianity, and in correspondence described how it hindered the Nazi state. He believed that the Christian god was a mirror image of himself, but at the same time he propagated paganism and ancestor worship.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why is it that it is okay for atheist to make fun of all people that believe in God, yet they cry when they are made fun of for not believing in a God.

Your whole thread is hypocritical.

Because it is just as legal in America and most of the world for the religious to make fun of atheists. It is surely not hypocritical to believe in the first amendment or freedom of speech for all.

If you want to know why people/groups should have a right to offend, then it comes down to the question, 'what isn't offensive to someone?' The moment the state censor comes to tea, free speech dies, as everything is offensive to at least someone.

I don't make fun of atheist, I don't care what you do or don't believe. You throwing in the first amendment, has nothing to do with you being hypocritical, the amendment is a freedom. Hypocrisy is an action. No one asked to censor anyone, my post certainly didn't.

My stand is you expect Christians to accept or not lump atheist into one category, however it is okay to compare a Christian's God to spaghetti. Your lack of respect, begets lack of respect.

I believe in a God, that doesn't make you or I greater or less than the other. It is a difference in opinion. Atheists can go to a church or whatever floats their boat. I don't care, do it, enjoy it, embrace it. Just respect others and others beliefs.

You have a right to offend, but if you do, as many atheists on this board have done, then expect people to form opinions about you.

Hypocrisy doesn't mean what you think it means. Explain how it is hypocritical to start a thread, with something positive - when the media is mud slinging all Atheists, as if they are boogeymen or communist insurgents. I never said someone should go out and start a local chapter of the Dawkins club, so it isn't even advocacy.

I make fun of other atheists, just as much as I make fun of religious folks and any kind of belief or lack thereof. I am equal opportunity when it comes to making fun of things or people. It is called being human, which means finding humor in all things.

What you don't seem to get, is when the media mud sling one group whoever that group is, more often than not I am going to find some absurdity or stupidity in it.

You ask for me to respect you on basis of an idea, a belief, or what you may or may not have done. I don't ask that people respect me without knowing me, and I treat others as I would myself. Nothing hypocritical in that.

Respect has to earned, but respect isn't always worth the price of admission, especially if it means denying who you are or belittling yourself.

I believe in the free market, and I can see the good things in a lot of things (including a belief in a religion or holding none). I like how you end your reply though, with a threat - as if you head a lynch mob.

I am not here to be popular, or to be a collectivist. So if you hate me on some concept of honor or 'respect', then it is rather silly. Especially since I have defended Muslims and Christians on this board as much as I have atheists (and I disagree with atheists just as often).

I think it is sad that you can't see humor in anything to do with religion, just like Iranian theocrats, and demand that everyone respects what you believe. Forming opinions goes both ways you know.

I don't see the media lumping anymore or any less atheists or Christians. Muslims seem to get lumped in much more. In my reply there is no threat, do you not form opinions about others by what they post? Good, bad or indifferent.

I never asked you to respect me, or my opinions, I don't need your respect. My life will not change by a faceless, unknown person on the internet.

I'm here just for entertainment. I don't take you or others seriously. I also never said the word hate in regards to you, you are the first person to bring up hate. What's up with that?

Lol. You implied it, with all this BS about 'respect' and then a threat about running me off the forum - since you can't run me out of town on the internet.

I don't form opinions of people based on what I view on the forum, as this is basically an anonymous community.

Truth be told, for you to draw major offense at a spaghetti monster reference makes no good sense. Why do you think Atheists make the reference, it isn't just for a laugh, though quite a few people do find it funny?

It is because religious groups claim that their god cannot be disproven on the basis of empirical evidence, and further because each religion claims it follows the one true god.

The flying spaghetti monster analogy, much like the invisible pink unicorn analogy implies that there is no way for religious people to disprove something as silly as either. Unless you make empirical claims or put forward arguments that disprove the plausibility of a god.

That you draw offense at a simplication of a major theological/philosophical argument, doesn't make sense to me, but nor have your other posts so far.

You are getting me confused with some one else, where did I ever say or imply that I would run you or anyone else off this board. Please quote it because I have never implied or posted either

As far as any major offense? I've taken none, your opinion of a God is not important to me.

Please post where I said or implied that I'd run you off this board, come on.

 

[sealybobo]

hitler...atheist, some followers were pagans......12 million murdered not including war dead....

stalin...atheist....murdered 25 million or more....

mao...atheist...murdered 70 million or more....

pol pot...atheist...murdered 3 million?

Atheists have nothing holding them back when they decide to murder people......

I knew you'd try to put Nazis on us. Lol.

Yep, I knew he was, too.

The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy – Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot
The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy 8211 Hitler Stalin Pol Pot Richard Dawkins Foundation

HITLER
“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler
“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out” [2] ~Adolf Hitler

POL POT
Pol Pot, possibly not even an atheist, but almost certainly a Buddhist, believed in the teachings of the Buddha, no matter how perverted his interpretations may or may not have been. His violence, much like the violence of many earlier religionists, wasn’t the result of a lack of belief in a god, whether Zeus, Osiris, Yahweh, or the god-like Buddha of Mahayana Buddhism, but in the megalomaniacal belief that heaven or destiny was guiding him to improve the state of affairs for all those who could be forced to share his misguided utopian delusions. Not only was Pol Pot a Theravada Buddhist, but the soil in which his atrocities were sewn was also very Buddhist.

STALIN
Of these three characters, Stalin was the only confirmed atheist, yet Hitchens thoroughly dealt with the religious nature of Stalin’s dictatorship in a manner that has left religious apologists without sufficient reply. Notwithstanding the fact that Stalin was raised as a Christian under the religious influence of his mother, who enrolled him in seminary school, and that Stalin later took it upon himself to study for the priesthood, as Hitchens and others have pointed out, Stalin merely stepped into a ready-made religious tyranny, constructed by the Russian Orthodox Church and paved with the teachings of St. Paul.

And I don't doubt a big majority of the mega elite and politicians and kings and Vatican rulers and presidents secretly don't believe in god. What I'm saying is they use religion on us to manipulate us.

Just like we might not be in a holy war with Muslims but religion is one reason the us citizens were OK with killing Iraqis and religion played a part in why christian Germans didn't like Jews.

yeah...who was okay with killing Iraqis....other than the iraqis who were muslim terrorists.......you lefty atheists....you really need to get a grip on reality.....

Who was OK with killing Iraqis? Bahahahahaa....None other than born-again Christian and uber-evangelical George W. Bush.

We need to get a grip on reality? Why don't you get a grip on facts?

I just listened to a great athiest talk show on youtube where christians call in and the guy shreds every argument they make for example how does a christian know to doubt the Mormon and Muslim ancient books as not being "factual believable or proof" but they want to use their bible as evidence.

 

[sealybobo]

Do people that don't believe in the lochnes monster have to prove it doesn't exist? What is the default position until proven otherwise? Doubt is the answer.

We just want proof the bible Koran and book of Mormons god exists.

 

[Thunderbird]

Now, I can find hundreds of examples of Christian's killing the ungodly, but I have never heard of an atheist killing a Christian for being godly. Perhaps you can provide a link. And, please, no totalitarian system has made it a policy to kill Christians for being godly. They have killed those that are a danger to their regime, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Wow. It's this kind of ignorance and self-delusion that gives atheists a bad name. Many secularists, not only Communists, have persecuted the religious. If authoritarian regimes were not ardently anti-religious, if these regimes were only interested in maintaining power, they would have reached an accommodation with religious groups. Instead we see this:

The New Soviet League of Militant Godless

Here's a quote: Historically, Christ the Savior was a central shrine both of the Orthodox faith and of Russian national pride, and for that reason, the Bolsheviks targeted it for destruction. In 1931, in a notorious act of cultural vandalism, the Soviet government dynamited the old building, leveling it to the ground, and replacing it with a public swimming pool. Not until 1990 did a new regime permit a rebuilding, funded largely by ordinary believers, and the vast new structure was consecrated in 2000. The cathedral is thus a primary memorial to the restoration of Russia's Christianity after a savage persecution.

It's difficult, perhaps, for Westerners to realize how bloodthirsty that government assault was. Russia in 1917 was overwhelmingly Orthodox, and in fact was undergoing a widespread religious revival. Rooting out that faith demanded forceful action by the new Bolshevik government, which had no scruples about imposing its will on the wishes of a vast majority. Government leaders like Alexandra Kollontai -- the self-proclaimed Female Antichrist -- illegally seized historic churches and monasteries, and used soldiers to suppress the resulting demonstration. Hundreds were killed in those actions alone.

Through the 1920s, the Bolsheviks systematically wiped out the church's leaders. Metropolitan Vladimir of Kiev perished in 1918, shot outside the historic Monastery of the Caves, while Bishop Hermogenes of Tobolsk was drowned in a Siberian river. Archbishop Andronicus of Perm was killed the following year, followed by most of his clergy. In 1920, Bishop Joachim of Nizhni Novgorod was crucified upside down from the iconostasis in his cathedral. In 1922, a firing squad executed the powerful Benjamin, Metropolitan of Petrograd/St. Petersburg. The repression was indiscriminate, paying no attention to the victims' records as critics of Tsarist injustice and anti-Semitism.

Persecution claimed many lives at lower levels of the church, among ordinary monks and priests. We hear of clergy shot in their hundreds, buried alive, mutilated, or fed to wild animals. Local Red officials hunted down priests as enthusiastically as their aristocratic predecessors had pursued wolves and wild boar. The number of clergy killed for their faith ran at least into the tens of thousands, with perhaps millions more lay believers.

The regime also rooted up the churches and monasteries that were the heart of Russian culture and spiritual life. Officials wandered the country, vandalizing churches, desecrating saints' shrines and seizing church goods, and murdering those who protested the acts. Militant atheist groups used sacred objects to stage anti-religious skits and processions. Between 1927 and 1940, active Orthodox churches all but vanished from the Russian Republic, as their numbers fell from 30,000 to just 500.

Vandalshandle please familiarize yourself with the brutality of the League of Militant Atheists and other anti-religious fanatics and apologize for your stupidity.

 

[2aguy]

It is amazing that to this day you have useful idiots trying to explain away the nightmare that communism is......

 

[2aguy]

atheists...don't trust them...ever.........

 

[2aguy]

Yes....hitler was an atheist...the Germans were non practising Christians...stalin...an atheist....pol pot and atheist.....they were all socialists...pol pot and stalin were communists and hitler a national socialist...the nazis hated christians for what they allegedly did to the mythical "aryans"......

See post #58 and follow the link.

It never ceases to amaze me how content the righties are to merely state their opinion without an attempt to corroborate their statements.

Why is that?

on hitler being an athiest...just watch the history channel when they show all of their programs on the ss.....the atheists and pagans of hitlers elite.....

Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Adolf Hitler was raised by an anti-clerical, skeptic father and devout Catholic mother.[1] Baptized as an infant and confirmed at the age of fifteen, he ceased attending Mass and participating in thesacraments in later life.[2][3] In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in the pursuit and maintenance of power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[4]

Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,

while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7]

Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8]while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]


So please....spare us the lies...hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot were not religious in any way shape or form and actively tried to kill people who believed in religion......

From your very own quote:

""Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,"""

And also from my very own quote....

while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained withinHitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7]

Try again.....

 

[2aguy]

Now, I can find hundreds of examples of Christian's killing the ungodly, but I have never heard of an atheist killing a Christian for being godly. Perhaps you can provide a link. And, please, no totalitarian system has made it a policy to kill Christians for being godly. They have killed those that are a danger to their regime, regardless of their religious beliefs.

Wow. It's this kind of ignorance and self-delusion that gives atheists a bad name. Many secularists, not only Communists, have persecuted the religious. If authoritarian regimes were not ardently anti-religious, if these regimes were only interested in maintaining power, they would have reached an accommodation with religious groups. Instead we see this:

The New Soviet League of Militant Godless

Here's a quote: Historically, Christ the Savior was a central shrine both of the Orthodox faith and of Russian national pride, and for that reason, the Bolsheviks targeted it for destruction. In 1931, in a notorious act of cultural vandalism, the Soviet government dynamited the old building, leveling it to the ground, and replacing it with a public swimming pool. Not until 1990 did a new regime permit a rebuilding, funded largely by ordinary believers, and the vast new structure was consecrated in 2000. The cathedral is thus a primary memorial to the restoration of Russia's Christianity after a savage persecution.

It's difficult, perhaps, for Westerners to realize how bloodthirsty that government assault was. Russia in 1917 was overwhelmingly Orthodox, and in fact was undergoing a widespread religious revival. Rooting out that faith demanded forceful action by the new Bolshevik government, which had no scruples about imposing its will on the wishes of a vast majority. Government leaders like Alexandra Kollontai -- the self-proclaimed Female Antichrist -- illegally seized historic churches and monasteries, and used soldiers to suppress the resulting demonstration. Hundreds were killed in those actions alone.

Through the 1920s, the Bolsheviks systematically wiped out the church's leaders. Metropolitan Vladimir of Kiev perished in 1918, shot outside the historic Monastery of the Caves, while Bishop Hermogenes of Tobolsk was drowned in a Siberian river. Archbishop Andronicus of Perm was killed the following year, followed by most of his clergy. In 1920, Bishop Joachim of Nizhni Novgorod was crucified upside down from the iconostasis in his cathedral. In 1922, a firing squad executed the powerful Benjamin, Metropolitan of Petrograd/St. Petersburg. The repression was indiscriminate, paying no attention to the victims' records as critics of Tsarist injustice and anti-Semitism.

Persecution claimed many lives at lower levels of the church, among ordinary monks and priests. We hear of clergy shot in their hundreds, buried alive, mutilated, or fed to wild animals. Local Red officials hunted down priests as enthusiastically as their aristocratic predecessors had pursued wolves and wild boar. The number of clergy killed for their faith ran at least into the tens of thousands, with perhaps millions more lay believers.

The regime also rooted up the churches and monasteries that were the heart of Russian culture and spiritual life. Officials wandered the country, vandalizing churches, desecrating saints' shrines and seizing church goods, and murdering those who protested the acts. Militant atheist groups used sacred objects to stage anti-religious skits and processions. Between 1927 and 1940, active Orthodox churches all but vanished from the Russian Republic, as their numbers fell from 30,000 to just 500.

Vandalshandle please familiarize yourself with the brutality of the League of Militant Atheists and other anti-religious fanatics and apologize for your stupidity.

Thunderbird....where is the link...I would like to add this source to my notes......makes it easier than finding it each time a silly leftist says the communist atheists don't murder people because of their religious beliefs....

Thanks, great find....

 

[Iceweasel]

From your very own quote:

""Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,"""

How does that prove he was a Christian? The Nuremberg trial papers by Donovan prove the Nazi end game was to replace the church with government once they could. Maybe the Catholics weren't made aware of it, ya think?

 

[2aguy]

From your very own quote:

""Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941,"""

How does that prove he was a Christian? The Nuremberg trial papers by Donovan prove the Nazi end game was to replace the church with government once they could. Maybe the Catholics weren't made aware of it, ya think?

The lefty atheists are sooooo desperate because their belief system has been the biggest mass murderer in history..........and the only way they can deny it is to....well...deny it.....