Are you ashamed of your heritage?

[longly]

Only Southerners in certain Slavery states seem to still care about how righteous the CSA was. Its almost like they forgot that time has moved on for literally everyone but them.

To the OP's title sentence, nope, not seeing why I would be ashamed of my heritage, nor do I particularly care. Its some fun notes of history but who cares?

If white Southerners should be ashamed of their ancestors for owning slaves, shouldn’t Black Americans also feel shame for their African ancestors who participated in the slave trade? Before they were enslaved, they were slave catchers themselves. In fact, nearly everyone was involved, because those who weren’t became slaves. The only notable exception was King Afonso of what is now Angola and Congo, but he lost much of his territory, and his descendants joined the trade.

So yes, your African ancestors were enslavers. But here’s the important point: ancestors are dead. They can’t do anything new to embarrass us, so we can choose how to view them. I’m not proud that some owned slaves. In my case, I doubt my ancestors were slaveholders at all — they came from the class known as “poor white trash.” For them, the best thing that ever happened was the end of slavery, because at least then they no longer had to watch their children starve.

For anyone who might be interested in my ancestors. Check out this book: Masterless Men: Poor Whites and Slavery in the Antebellum South by Keri Leigh Merritt, published by Cambridge University Press in 2017.

 

[1srelluc]

Go to a nearby plantation

Yes — slave labor was commonly hired out in many parts of the United States before the Civil War. This practice was known as “hiring out” or “leasing” enslaved people.
How it worked

• Slave owners would rent enslaved workers to other individuals or businesses (plantations, factories, railroads, mines, households).
• The owner received a fee, usually monthly or yearly.
• The person hiring the enslaved worker gained their labor but did not own them.
• Contracts often specified:
  • The kind of work
  • Housing and food arrangements
  • Clothing requirements
  • Whether the enslaved person could keep any wages (usually they could not)

One of my ancestors owned a slave, he helped run a store and grist mill.

Permission had to be obtained from both Richmond and the county seat (Shenandoah Co.) to teach him (Buck) to read and do sums.

Buck was also an accomplished stone mason and did side work in his free time for regular wages and he kept the money.....From what I understand he did a lot of stone wells.

When the Yankees came through and said he was free he did not believe them and stayed there running the store/mill till his master came back from the war to confirm it.

According to family lore all Buck wanted was enough time off to go find a wife and sure enough that's exactly what he did.

He came back a couple of months later with a wife and my ancestor gave him a piece of land behind the mill next to a spring where Buck built a small two story stone home.

Buck and his wife lived out their days there running the mill and later just the store and both are buried in our family cemetery.

The little stone home still stands and there's talk of restoring it.

BTW.....One of the wells he did can still be seen today next to the Ft Valley road though it's fallen into disrepair.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If white Southerners should be ashamed of their ancestors for owning slaves, shouldn’t Black Americans also feel shame for their African ancestors who participated in the slave trade?

Why should anyone be ashamed of their ancestors? They had nothing to do with it.
*We had a plantation pre-ACW, and then we didn't after it. It had slaves. And?
*We had a bar in NO where mob guys hung out. Mom knew Capone relatives. And?
*After Korea, my uncle was almost psycho in his hatred for China and the Chinese. And?

But here’s the important point: ancestors are dead.

Exactly. No one should care. the thread should not exist because the issue is stupid.

 

[rightwinger]

If white Southerners should be ashamed of their ancestors for owning slaves, shouldn’t Black Americans also feel shame for their African ancestors who participated in the slave trade? Before they were enslaved, they were slave catchers themselves. In fact, nearly everyone was involved, because those who weren’t became slaves. The only notable exception was King Afonso of what is now Angola and Congo, but he lost much of his territory, and his descendants joined the trade.

So yes, your African ancestors were enslavers. But here’s the important point: ancestors are dead. They can’t do anything new to embarrass us, so we can choose how to view them. I’m not proud that some owned slaves. In my case, I doubt my ancestors were slaveholders at all — they came from the class known as “poor white trash.” For them, the best thing that ever happened was the end of slavery, because at least then they no longer had to watch their children starve.

More Lost Cause……You did it too!

Slavery existed because white nations created the market. No way were they going into the bush to capture slaves themselves. So, they made lucrative offers for captured slaves.

Doesn’t absolve white guilt

 

[toobfreak]

If white Southerners should be ashamed of their ancestors for owning slaves, shouldn’t Black Americans also feel shame for their African ancestors who participated in the slave trade? Before they were enslaved, they were slave catchers themselves. In fact, nearly everyone was involved, because those who weren’t became slaves.

Very true. Slavery is common throughout the animal kingdom and was used almost universally by most civilizations going back to the start of recorded history. Even some insect species use slavery. Everything was about territory and the land you conquered and held because if you were not out conquering others, they were trying to conquer you.

And what did conquerors do with the conquered? They made them slaves. The African tribes were just as big on slave labor and trading as anyone else and were perfectly happy selling their excess slaves to the Spaniards and Portuguese until the Europeans came back demanding so many more that they just started taking anyone including those who were selling slaves as slaves themselves.

 

[Zincwarrior]

More Lost Cause……You did it too!

Slavery existed because white nations created the market. No way were they going into the bush to capture slaves themselves. So, they made lucrative offers for captured slaves.

Doesn’t absolve white guilt

Why would anyone have "white guilt?"

 

[1srelluc]

Why should anyone be ashamed of their ancestors? They had nothing to do with it.
*We had a plantation pre-ACW, and then we didn't after it. It had slaves.
*We had a bar in NO where mob guys hung out. Mom knew Capone relatives.


Exactly. No one should care. the thread should not exist because the issue is stupid.

Take my post above.....If my Uncle had not documented it, little stuff (and yeah, meaningless), like that would be lost to time. At least, since his passing, it's now stored in the Ft. Valley Museum.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Take my post above.....If my Uncle had not documented it, little stuff (and yeah, meaningless), like that would be lost to time. At least, since his passing, it's now stored in the Ft. Valley Museum.

No thats good. Thats history. There is no need to feel ashamed because of your ancestors though.

 

[rightwinger]

No thats good. Thats history. There is no need to feel ashamed because of your ancestors though.

Maybe so
But no reason to celebrate it

 

[Zincwarrior]

Maybe so
But no reason to celebrate it

Hey if I want to walk around in a Napoleonic era French officer's uniform and speak with a bad accent I can if I want to!

 

[1srelluc]

No thats good. Thats history. There is no need to feel ashamed because of your ancestors though.

I'm damn proud of them.

Btw, the ancestor was one of the few surviving members of the 33rd Virginia Inf. (of the Stonewall Brigade), to surrender at Appomattox.

When Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to General Grant at Appomattox Court House on 9 April 1865, only 1 officer and 18 men were present from the 33rd Regiment.

33rd Virginia Infantry Regiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SaxonJackson]

They weren't, just like you wouldn't turn into a woman if you called yourself that. Illegal, illegitimate, recognized by no country. Just criminals and traitors.

States exercising States Rights is the reason the Founders designed our nation the way they did. Checks & Balances. Everything revolves around checks and balances so that no one entity within the American system of governance can become too powerful. Unfortunately, the Federal Government continues to grow by the day. It's definitely top heavy.

 

[toobfreak]

Agrarian vs Industrial. Pretty ******* obvious.

BINGO.

And no, I'm not going to get into an endless and useless exchange with you.

You saw that one coming a mile away. All exchanges with that guy are pretty useless.

 

[Unkotare]

States exercising States Rights is the reason the Founders designed our nation the way they did. Checks & Balances. Everything revolves around checks and balances so that no one entity within the American system of governance can become too powerful. Unfortunately, the Federal Government continues to grow by the day. It's definitely top heavy.

The Articles of Confederation didn't work out.

 

[fncceo]

Are you ashamed of your heritage?​

Grandpa was a cattle rustler. But he rustled cattle from antisemites, so … I’m kinda on the fence.

 

[1srelluc]

Grandpa was a cattle rustler. But he rustled cattle from antisemites, so … I’m kinda on the fence.

After the Civil War ended one of my ancestors was hung for bushwhacking outside of Danville, Virginia.

We never discovered the circumstances of the incident other than he was considered quite the rouge by the family. Always in trouble.

LOL....How many people can say they had an ancestor hung for bushwhacking.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Ca

Go to a nearby plantation

Yes — slave labor was commonly hired out in many parts of the United States before the Civil War. This practice was known as “hiring out” or “leasing” enslaved people.
How it worked

• Slave owners would rent enslaved workers to other individuals or businesses (plantations, factories, railroads, mines, households).
• The owner received a fee, usually monthly or yearly.
• The person hiring the enslaved worker gained their labor but did not own them.
• Contracts often specified:
  • The kind of work
  • Housing and food arrangements
  • Clothing requirements
  • Whether the enslaved person could keep any wages (usually they could not)

n You provide the "Supportive documentation"?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Ca

n You provide the "Supportive documentation"?

My Bad >>>> "Can You provide the "Supportive documentation"?

 

[fncceo]

one of my ancestors was hung for bushwhacking outside of Danville, Virginia.

Apparently they took public masturbation much more seriously back in the day.

 

[1srelluc]

Apparently they took public masturbation much more seriously back in the day.

Damn shame, a man could not even whack-off out in the bushes with Yankees around.