Are you ashamed of your heritage?

[rightwinger]

Matter of fact,..... Anyone that holds the Belief that the War was over "Freeing he Slaves",...... Show me the Federal Document issued by the Government, that Orders the Southern States to "Free the Slaves", before Ft. Sumter.

The war was about saving the union
The reason it broke was slavery

 

[rightwinger]

I doubt that a significant percentage of the Confederate soldiers were fighting to preserve slavery. Most were poor, owned no slaves, and were fighting for political reasons - states' rights, as the saying goes.

Very few soldiers actually owned slaves. Many officers brought their slaves with them.

But the southern economy was built on slavery. Everyone in the south benefitted from that economy.
Beyond that, they embraced that “peculiar institution”
No matter how poor they were, they were still superior to any black man.

While individual soldiers may have claimed no guilt over slavery, once the war ended they embraced Jim Crow and enforced it both legally and socially.

 

[TNHarley]

They were traitors. The definition of traitor is to fight against your own country.

Had they won, they wouldn't have gone down in history as traitors, like in the revolution, Washington was a traitor, as were all the others that fought against the British. But they won. So... they don't get called traitors, because they're Americans now, not British.

But the Confederates are still Americans, still traitors.

They didnt fight against their own country. They seceded. They werent traitors.

 

[Unkotare]

They didnt fight against their own country. They seceded. They werent traitors.

They were the very definition of traitors.

 

[TNHarley]

They were the very definition of traitors.

When they seceded, they were no longer Americans. Thats literally the opposite of what "traitor" means.

 

[Unkotare]

When they seceded, they were no longer Americans....

Wrong, traitor.

 

[TNHarley]

Wrong, traitor.

Correct, revisionist.

 

[TNHarley]

Correct, revisionist.

Of course, you denying basic fact isnt anything new for you. You do it all the time. You are a hack of the highest order.

 

[Hafar1014]

They fought to defend slavery. They got their asses kicked

 

[Correll]

Very few soldiers actually owned slaves. Many officers brought their slaves with them.

But the southern economy was built on slavery. Everyone in the south benefitted from that economy.
Beyond that, they embraced that “peculiar institution”
No matter how poor they were, they were still superior to any black man.

While individual soldiers may have claimed no guilt over slavery, once the war ended they embraced Jim Crow and enforced it both legally and socially.

How did poor white farmers benefit from slavery?

 

[rightwinger]

How did poor white farmers benefit from slavery?

Who did they sell their crops to?
They would hire slaves for picking time. Who got the money?

 

[rightwinger]

They fought to defend slavery. They got their asses kicked

Not only to defend slavery but they feared free slaves harassing white women and feared freed slaves thinking they were as good as you are.

 

[DennisPTate]

When my ancestors fought the Yankees during the War Between the States, they proved themselves to be some of the toughest people on Earth. Twenty-five percent of all military-age Southerners died or were crippled in the war. For Americans, that’s an astounding figure. If the Yankees had suffered those kinds of casualties, they would have been burning their cities. Of course, that’s opinion—there’s no way to really know—but I also have no reason to be ashamed of my ancestors. They weren’t traitors, and for the most part, they were good people doing the best they could in the world as they understood it. One reason they may have fought so desperately was because of the outcome they feared if they lost.

At the same time in Kansas, Jayhawkers were killing Southerners just for living in Missouri. There had also been numerous slave revolts in which enslaved people killed men, women, and children. In Haiti in 1804, the Black government exterminated most of the remaining French after the independence war. They spared some of the women who agreed to marry Black men. What can you call a forced marriage other than slavery? So, I have no reason to be ashamed. It seems that the left tries to make whites ashamed of being who they are, especially if they’re Southerners. I’m not ashamed, and I’m not fragile. If they want to talk about race, I’m willing to do it as honestly as I can.

Liberals also emphasize the reaction of whites after the war, but all the occupation did was reaffirm their beliefs. What would have happened if they didn’t resist? Union soldiers, even though it was not government policy, robbed, raped, and murdered Southerners, and their commanders did virtually nothing about it. On top of that, the army had a strict censorship program that prevented this information from being disseminated. If it had been published, it might have come to light that these were not large-scale abuses but rather infrequent actions by a minority of Black Union soldiers. Without reliable information, Southerners saw it as a large-scale attempt to humiliate and crush them. In my opinion, that is what led to resistance movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow later on. I still remember the old people talking about the need to keep the Blacks down or they’d murder us all.

I personally am a Canadian who is somewhat ashamed of how my ancestors here in Canada went along with an obviously terribly flawed policy from London in regards to how England was treating Americans, [especially from 1740 to 1775].

Thread 'Should we Canadians apologize to the USA for how we acted from 1740 to 1775?'

Dec 11, 2025

I believe that we Canadians owe the United States an apology for how our ancestors treated our ally The United States from 1740 to 1775. It is my belief that the exaggerated obedience of Canadian elected officials to London made the American Revolutionary War almost impossible to avoid.

In our defence it is likely that an astonishing small number of our ancestors actually understood how Compound Interest Over Time was being implemented in order to turn American citizens into economic slaves who would run endlessly on an allegorical economic treadmill?

[Alain Pilote, The History of...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Politics

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The war was about saving the union
The reason it broke was slavery

I Believe that the reason the "Union" broke up, was due to "Money & Control", with the Federal Government wanting the bulk of that.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Very few soldiers actually owned slaves. Many officers brought their slaves with them.

But the southern economy was built on slavery. Everyone in the south benefitted from that economy.
Beyond that, they embraced that “peculiar institution”
No matter how poor they were, they were still superior to any black man.

While individual soldiers may have claimed no guilt over slavery, once the war ended they embraced Jim Crow and enforced it both legally and socially.

"Everyone in the south benefitted from that economy."

I disagree,.... When landowners without slaves, had to work their lands,.... How did they benefit from Slavery.

 

[Mr Natural]

"Everyone in the south benefitted from that economy."

I disagree,.... When landowners without slaves, had to work their lands,.... How did they benefit from Slavery.

With sunshine and exercise.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Who did they sell their crops to?
They would hire slaves for picking time. Who got the money?

How does one "Hire a Slave", & From what Historical Documents did You find this data?

 

[Unkotare]

When they seceded, they were no longer Americans. ...

Wrong. Secession was never legitimate.

 

[SaxonJackson]

When my ancestors fought the Yankees during the War Between the States, they proved themselves to be some of the toughest people on Earth. Twenty-five percent of all military-age Southerners died or were crippled in the war. For Americans, that’s an astounding figure. If the Yankees had suffered those kinds of casualties, they would have been burning their cities. Of course, that’s opinion—there’s no way to really know—but I also have no reason to be ashamed of my ancestors. They weren’t traitors, and for the most part, they were good people doing the best they could in the world as they understood it. One reason they may have fought so desperately was because of the outcome they feared if they lost.

At the same time in Kansas, Jayhawkers were killing Southerners just for living in Missouri. There had also been numerous slave revolts in which enslaved people killed men, women, and children. In Haiti in 1804, the Black government exterminated most of the remaining French after the independence war. They spared some of the women who agreed to marry Black men. What can you call a forced marriage other than slavery? So, I have no reason to be ashamed. It seems that the left tries to make whites ashamed of being who they are, especially if they’re Southerners. I’m not ashamed, and I’m not fragile. If they want to talk about race, I’m willing to do it as honestly as I can.

Liberals also emphasize the reaction of whites after the war, but all the occupation did was reaffirm their beliefs. What would have happened if they didn’t resist? Union soldiers, even though it was not government policy, robbed, raped, and murdered Southerners, and their commanders did virtually nothing about it. On top of that, the army had a strict censorship program that prevented this information from being disseminated. If it had been published, it might have come to light that these were not large-scale abuses but rather infrequent actions by a minority of Black Union soldiers. Without reliable information, Southerners saw it as a large-scale attempt to humiliate and crush them. In my opinion, that is what led to resistance movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow later on. I still remember the old people talking about the need to keep the Blacks down or they’d murder us all.

I'm not one bit ashamed of my heritage. My family traces back to the British Isles (Scottish, English, Irish, and Welsh), Denmark, and France. On my mom's side, I'm related to the first Governor of the Plymouth colony, John Carver. On my dad's side, I'm related to President Andrew Jackson and General Thomas Jonathon "Stonewall" Jackson.

My earliest ancestor to have come to America in the mid-1600s was an indentured slave. When he paid his way out of servitude, he created a nail factory (square nails) and became quite wealthy (according to records my mother uncovered).

Interestingly, Jacksons have fought Jacksons in at least two wars that I know of. There were Scottish Jacksons fighting English Jacksons as Scotland fought for independence. And, during the Civil War, there were both northern and southern Jacksons fighting on either side.

No heritage is perfect no matter what your background is but I happen to like my White heritage and the fact that my ancestors had a spirit of survival and were formidable warriors.

 

[TNHarley]

Wrong. Secession was never legitimate.

Indeed it was. It was perfectly legal. The constitution didnt prohibit it, nor did federal law. If something isnt illegal, it is legal. Thats how our system works.