Zone1 Another question to ponder.

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You left out corrupt politicians destroying our country.

People get the leaders they deserve. Ignorant people who can't make affirmative arguments are the problem. You know the type, right? People that can only criticize.

 

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Like porn and trannies?

You left out corrupt politicians destroying our country.

Way to look at Jews objectively, TN.

 

[TNHarley]

Way to look at Jews objectively, TN.

I am correct, though.

 

[TNHarley]

People get the leaders they deserve. Ignorant people who can't make affirmative arguments are the problem. You know the type, right? People that can only criticize.

So people shouldnt vote for jews?

 

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I am correct, though.

No one is all good or all bad. You'll have more success in life being curious instead of judgmental. But you keep going through life looking at only one side of everything. What could possibly go wrong with that?

 

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So people shouldnt vote for jews?

Is that how you processed that? I guess my point flew over your head.

 

[TNHarley]

No one is all good or all bad. You'll have more success in life being curious instead of judgmental. But you keep going through life looking at only one side of everything. What could possibly go wrong with that?

Im still correct. Sorry about your luck.
Did you hear Israel is about to start paying for their citizens abortions?

 

[TNHarley]

Is that how you processed that? I guess my point flew over your head.

No, it was sarcasm. I made myself laugh

 

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Im still correct. Sorry about your luck.
Did you hear Israel is about to start paying for their citizens abortions?

That's the beauty of reality, TN, it doesn't give a **** what you think it is. It will take you for a ride until you learn from it. God loves predictable surprises. He created them.

 

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No, it was sarcasm. I made myself laugh

And still missed the point that flew over your head.

 

[TNHarley]

And still missed the point that flew over your head.

No it didnt. I understood what you were saying. I just thought the best reply it deserved was that.

 

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No it didnt. I understood what you were saying. I just thought the best reply it deserved was that.

What was I saying?

 

[TNHarley]

What was I saying?

That our voting block is stupid. They dont have real values or standards. Thats literally what that phrase means. And I agree with it.
The rest of the post was just a complete lack of self awareness.

 

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That our voting block is stupid. They dont have real values or standards. Thats literally what that phrase means. And I agree with it.
The rest of the post was just a complete lack of self awareness.

That was the obvious point. What about the other not so obvious point? You now... the one that flew over your head?

Ignorant people who can't make affirmative arguments are the problem. You know the type, right? People that can only criticize.

What is it that you almost always do, TN? Criticize. Just look at how you argued against the Jews. Critically. You didn't look at both sides. You only wanted to criticize. It's people like you that have weakened this country. People like you are the problem.

 

[TNHarley]

That was the obvious point. What about the other not so obvious point? You now... the one that flew over your head?


What is it that you almost always do, TN? Criticize. Just look at how you argued against the Jews. Critically. You didn't look at both sides. You only wanted to criticize. It's people like you that have weakened this country. People like you are the problem.

As I said, its a lack of self awareness.
And he ignored the bad side. Where is your post to him? Bias, dummy.
And you didnt want to comment on what I actually said. Just criticize me.

 

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As I said, its a lack of self awareness.
And he ignored the bad side. Where is your post to him? Bias, dummy.
And you didnt want to comment on what I actually said. Just criticize me.

By any objective measure the Jews have been a force for good. That assessment looks at both sides; the good and the bad.

There have been many instances where I have disagreed with Hafar1014 Just ask him. He'll tell you. But in this case he is correct. The Jews have been a force for good.

If it makes you feel any better, sure, the Jews have done some pretty bad stuff. The question is does the bad outweigh the good. I don't believe it does.

 

[Hafar1014]

By any objective measure the Jews have been a force for good. That assessment looks at both sides; the good and the bad.

There have been many instances where I have disagreed with Hafar1014 Just ask him. He'll tell you. But in this case he is correct. The Jews have been a force for good.

If it makes you feel any better, sure, the Jews have done some pretty bad stuff. The question is does the bad outweigh the good. I don't believe it does.

Jewish individuals, despite being a small percentage of the global population, have won a disproportionately high number of Nobel Prizes, with over 220 laureates (around 22%) in various fields like sciences, literature, and peace, including iconic figures like Albert Einstein, Bob Dylan, and numerous Israeli winners, demonstrating immense contributions to human knowledge and culture.

Key Highlights

• High Representation:
  Jews make up about 0.2% of the world's population but account for roughly 22% of all Nobel laureates, a significant overrepresentation.
  
  • Sciences: Albert Einstein (Physics), Arthur Kornberg (Medicine), Gerty Cori (Medicine), Daniel Kahneman (Economics).
    
    
  • Literature: Boris Pasternak, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Bob Dylan, Nelly Sachs.
    
    
  • Peace: Menachem Begin, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin, Elie Wiesel.
    
• • Notable Figures:
    Include pioneers like Paul Ehrlich (Medicine), first Jewish winner, and figures like Henri Bergson, Wassily Leontief, and current laureates.
    
  • Israeli Laureates:
    Israel has produced many winners, including S.Y. Agnon (Literature), Avram Hershko (Chemistry), and Robert Aumann (Economics).
    

Examples by Field

• • Physics: Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, Richard Axel, Roger Penrose, Andre Geim.
    
  • Medicine/Physiology: Gerty Cori (first Jewish woman), Eric Kandel, Joseph Goldstein, Ralph Steinman.
    
  • Economics: Daniel Kahneman, Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Myron Scholes.
    
  • Literature: Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, Toni Morrison, Bob Dylan.
    

This rich history showcases significant Jewish intellectual and creative impact on the world stage, with laureates continually adding to breakthroughs in science, humanities, and global peace.

 

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Jewish individuals, despite being a small percentage of the global population, have won a disproportionately high number of Nobel Prizes, with over 220 laureates (around 22%) in various fields like sciences, literature, and peace, including iconic figures like Albert Einstein, Bob Dylan, and numerous Israeli winners, demonstrating immense contributions to human knowledge and culture.

Key Highlights

• High Representation:
  Jews make up about 0.2% of the world's population but account for roughly 22% of all Nobel laureates, a significant overrepresentation.
  • Sciences: Albert Einstein (Physics), Arthur Kornberg (Medicine), Gerty Cori (Medicine), Daniel Kahneman (Economics).
    
    
  • Literature: Boris Pasternak, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Bob Dylan, Nelly Sachs.
    
    
  • Peace: Menachem Begin, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin, Elie Wiesel.
• • Notable Figures:
    Include pioneers like Paul Ehrlich (Medicine), first Jewish winner, and figures like Henri Bergson, Wassily Leontief, and current laureates.
  • Israeli Laureates:
    Israel has produced many winners, including S.Y. Agnon (Literature), Avram Hershko (Chemistry), and Robert Aumann (Economics).

Examples by Field

• • Physics: Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, Richard Axel, Roger Penrose, Andre Geim.
  • Medicine/Physiology: Gerty Cori (first Jewish woman), Eric Kandel, Joseph Goldstein, Ralph Steinman.
  • Economics: Daniel Kahneman, Paul Krugman, Joseph Stiglitz, Myron Scholes.
  • Literature: Saul Bellow, Philip Roth, Toni Morrison, Bob Dylan.

This rich history showcases significant Jewish intellectual and creative impact on the world stage, with laureates continually adding to breakthroughs in science, humanities, and global peace.

I know.

 

[BULLDOG]

Something to ponder, isn't it: An unchanging God creating an ever changing world where people can change their minds and their behavior. Or, even how they perceive the reality of God.

I can almost fall for "it's god, and he works in mysterious ways". I did for years, but massive conflicts with all logic is too far.

 

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Does it matter how he was seen? The issue is whether an unchanging god is compassionate and loving or a petty ass. It was once acceptable to buy and sell slaves like cattle. We now know that was wrong, and nothing can be said or done to make those actions acceptable. A changeable god might realize he had been wrong and make adjustments to his behavior. An unchanging god remains the same. All his actions must be judged the same. If it would be wrong to do those things today, it was wrong for him to do them then, regardless of what .people might have once thought about it.

Because it couldn't be that the Jews believed God was on their side and crafted their narratives accordingly.

The ancient Jews generally believed that God (Yahweh) had a special covenant with them and was on their side, and their sacred narratives were indeed crafted to reflect this belief and reveal divine purpose in human history. This perspective evolved over time from a belief in a tribal warrior deity to ethical monotheism, where history itself was seen as the primary arena for divine revelation.

Belief in Divine Support and Covenant

• Chosen People, Special Covenant: The foundational belief was that the Israelites were "chosen" by God to uphold a unique covenant (treaty). This implied a special, protected relationship in exchange for their exclusive worship and obedience to divine law.
• Yahweh as Warrior: In early Israelite belief (known as Yahwism, which was initially monolatrous, meaning they worshiped only one god while potentially acknowledging the existence of others), Yahweh was often portrayed as a divine warrior who fought for Israel or with them in battles. Military successes were attributed to God's intervention, and the army was considered "Yahweh's army".
• Divine Justice: While God was "on their side," this support was conditional on their adherence to the covenant and ethical demands. When the Israelites suffered defeat, it was interpreted as divine punishment for their disobedience and worship of other gods, not a sign of God's weakness or absence. This allowed them to reconcile their belief in a powerful God with national misfortunes like the Babylonian Exile.

Narratives as "His-Story"
The ancient Jewish people viewed their national history as a narrative of God's interaction with them, where events were given theological meaning.

• The Exodus as Foundational Narrative: The Exodus from Egypt is the central example, portrayed not just as an escape from slavery but as a powerful act of divine redemption and a radical break from the values of the ancient Near East. The story is told to illustrate God's power and promise to make them His people.
• History Over Nature: Unlike neighboring cultures that focused on nature cycles in their myths, the Israelite narratives focused on linear history as the setting for God's purposes. The interpretation of historical events—victories, defeats, and exile—produced their theology.
• Crafted for Meaning: The biblical texts were compiled and edited over centuries to reflect this evolving religious understanding, especially during and after the Exilic period when the religion fully transitioned to uncompromising monotheism. The narratives served to reinforce their unique identity and their understanding of their place in the world under their single, righteous God.

In essence, the narratives were not modern historical accounts but divinely interpreted histories, designed to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.