Zone1 an extremely short poll on Religion

[Zebra]

what do others think?

 

[BULLDOG]

That which is written in our cannonized scriptures is correct. Anything else can be correct or just the opinion of the prophet. Our prophets aren't perfect nor do they have to be perfect. But, when you say "wrong" not with doctrine. You can find statements that have been made as a man. But, if they are not "thus saith the Lord" they are only opinions. There are many books written by prophets and apostles since 1830 that are not cannonized doctrine. Just opinions. That's why when you see or hear an anti-Mormon, they usually are taking something out of context or out of opinion books.
But, let me ask you. Are you ever wrong? I mean, if you want to rob God, it's your free moral agency to do so. But, don't expect me to agree that it's okay.

So anybody who says god told them something that turns out to be false should be stoned to death, right? I gotta ask again, where did you get all those things you accused me of? Out of your ass?

 

[Zebra]

5 of 7 say ... Christian

now 16 of 30

 

[norwegen]

That's because it including offerings as well. So, some don't think tithing is a Christian thing to do. But, in Hebrews chapter 7 it says Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils or his increase he earned. He gave it to Melchizedek. Today, as part of the Law of Consecration that our Church understands and follows, tithing is a part of giving all to the Lord our time, talents and money as well. But, today, he only asks for one-tenth. See, you have no prophet of God to tell you how much to give for tithing. We do. Today, it's one tenth that he requires to be a full tithe payor.

Those payments were compulsory nonetheless. Do you pay the required 23.3%?

And speaking of Hebrews, read it some time. God stopped speaking through prophets.

But please, go on with your delusions without me.

 

[Woodznutz]

Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) is a tax calculation that is an individual's total (gross) income minus specific deductions, also known as "adjustments". Your AGI is a crucial figure used to determine your eligibility for various tax credits and deductions.
Gross income includes all the money you earn from various sources, such as:

• Wages, salaries, and tips
• Interest and dividends
• Business or rental income
• Capital gains
• Retirement account distributions (e.g., from a pension or 401(k))
• Unemployment benefits and alimony (for agreements made before 2019)

Adjustments to income (or "above-the-line" deductions) are specific deductions that lower your gross income. They are typically found on Schedule 1 of IRS Form 1040. Common examples include:

• Educator expenses
• Student loan interest
• IRA contributions
• Health Savings Account (HSA) contributions
• A portion of self-employment tax and self-employed health insurance premiums

You are correct.

 

[Woodznutz]

Actually, that would be one way to start your repentance process as long as your Church leader accepts it. Our Church does not accept tithing from an excommunicated person. Once the person has sufficiently repented, they are baptized and confirmed members of the Church and may start paying their tithes. This is different from a non-member who pays tithing to the Church they are not a member of. Their tithes are accepted. I paid tithes and offerings prior to my baptism and confirmation.

The act of tithing is one of faith. At least it should be regardless if there is anything tangible returned or not. If a person gives to the not true Church, the act of giving is still recognized. Once a non-member is baptized and confirmed, they would easily continue paying tithes and now to the true Church. Did their old tithes do any good? If it blessed other, great! The Lord loves those who give freely to help others.

You must be a grumpy dull-disillusioned unhappy man or woman. Don't know your gender.

I'm a cheerful, happy (but very cynical) man. I support a dozen charities as a sustaining contributor. I'm a Christian but am not affiliated with any denomination at this time.

 

[Cougarbear]

So anybody who says god told them something that turns out to be false should be stoned to death, right? I gotta ask again, where did you get all those things you accused me of? Out of your ass?

You are the one that is rejecting paying tithing saying it's a Jewish thing for just OT times. I'm saying it is also something Jesus and his Apostles taught as well.
So, let me try to be clear because you seem to comprehend little. Prophets can give their opinions as well as Apostles can too. There are books quoting Joseph Smith and Brigham Young about things that are not in the 4 standard works of the Church, The Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. Those things like Adam-God theory are not information that was relayed to Brigham Young from God. Those are his own opinions that he came up with. However, it is also misstated by anti-Mormons because that's what anti-Mormons do. Only those things in the 4 standard works would be something God told them. Is that clear enough for you?

 

[Cougarbear]

You are correct.

Therefore, your increase is on the Gross Income. Now, there are those who pay on Adjusted after they pay taxes too. There is no actual definite answer. At the end of the year, the Bishop of each congregation (Ward) asks if you are a full tithe payor. Your answer is accepted. He doesn't ask if it was on gross or not.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm a cheerful, happy (but very cynical) man. I support a dozen charities as a sustaining contributor. I'm a Christian but am not affiliated with any denomination at this time.

That's awesome! Hopefully, the charities help the poor and the needy. They would be considered offerings, not tithing. Like I said, we have people who aren't members of our Church that feel the need to pay tithing so they pay it to us. It's in the thought that counts.

 

[BULLDOG]

You are the one that is rejecting paying tithing saying it's a Jewish thing for just OT times. I'm saying it is also something Jesus and his Apostles taught as well.
So, let me try to be clear because you seem to comprehend little. Prophets can give their opinions as well as Apostles can too. There are books quoting Joseph Smith and Brigham Young about things that are not in the 4 standard works of the Church, The Bible, The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. Those things like Adam-God theory are not information that was relayed to Brigham Young from God. Those are his own opinions that he came up with. However, it is also misstated by anti-Mormons because that's what anti-Mormons do. Only those things in the 4 standard works would be something God told them. Is that clear enough for you?

When did I object to tithes?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Correct.

And even if I were religious, I would say my religious beliefs belong to me, rather than the other way around.

Proud to say I belong to Christ

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I'm a cheerful, happy (but very cynical) man. I support a dozen charities as a sustaining contributor. I'm a Christian but am not affiliated with any denomination at this time.

Glad to hear you say that

 

[Woodznutz]

That's awesome! Hopefully, the charities help the poor and the needy. They would be considered offerings, not tithing. Like I said, we have people who aren't members of our Church that feel the need to pay tithing so they pay it to us. It's in the thought that counts.

There are actually three tithes.
1. Tithes for the Levites.
2. Tithes for the annual feasts (especially Tabernacles).
3. Tithes for the poor (every third year).

 

[Cougarbear]

There are actually three tithes.
1. Tithes for the Levites.
2. Tithes for the annual feasts (especially Tabernacles).
3. Tithes for the poor (every third year).

Please write the scriptures for these.

 

[Woodznutz]

Please write the scriptures for these.

Deuteronomy 14: 12-29 describes the festival tithe and what is called the 'third tithe' for poor.

 

[Woodznutz]

Please write the scriptures for these.

These tithes are separate from the tithes given solely to the Levites.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29 (KJV)

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

 

[Cougarbear]

Deuteronomy 14: 12-29 describes the festival tithe and what is called the 'third tithe' for poor.

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Year by year your “increase.” So, were they able to freeze or preserve food for 3 years?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Tithes originated as extortion of illiterate, terrified, superstitious people who had to rely on clergy to define their faith and to read the hot mythologies of the time to them.

 

[Woodznutz]

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Year by year your “increase.” So, were they able to freeze or preserve food for 3 years?

In the third year means every third year a tithe was to be given for the poor in the land. This cycle was a seven-year cycle. Years three and six were "third tithe" years of the seven-year cycle. This because the seventh year was the 'sabbath on the land'.

The festival tithe was every year and was to be saved and consumed by the family during the annual feasts in the place(s) where God chose to gather them.