Zone1 A very short poll on religion

[schmidlap]

I believe in all the gods, unlike atheists who believe in none of them, or the borderline atheists who deny the existence of most of them.

 

[schmidlap]

I am an Atheist and proud of it.

I believe in all the gods, unlike atheists who believe in none of them, or the borderline atheists who deny the existence of most of them, promoting only one of them (or a few of them.)

Gods exceed human understanding by definition. Gods can both exist and not exist simultaneously; gods can be none, or one, or many at the same time, because they are gods, and are not circumscribed by the finite comprehension of humans.

I don't believe god(s) are concerned with what humans may or may not think about god(s) -
or god(s) might obsess about what humans may think of god(s) for all I know.

It's beyond me. I'm not god(s.)

 

[DennisPTate]

I trust this poll has not been done by somebody else yet …

I am Catholic, for a start.

This is a truly good poll Zebra.

I thought for a few moments before I answered and i said that I was "Jewish" but I know that there are some brilliant Jewish scholars here on United States Message Board who can present a powerful case that I am actually "AposTate" due to my beliefs regarding Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as being Moshiach ben David, Messiah the Passover Lamb!

Technically, I believe that there are a number of Rabbi's in Israel who have read some of my ramblings online and they do consider me to be a "Noahide" which is a legitimate branch of Judaism, for Gentiles who feel called to draw closer to at least one Jewish Rabbi.

If he would have me I would like to initiate a discussion with former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava who I believe could even be the fulfillment of Zechariah chapter three. If so, then we are getting very close to the full fledged Era of Moshiach.


www.AlonAnava.com/

Zone1 Thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

Nov 14, 2025

Although I am technically a Gentile I have listened to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava on youtube, over and over and over again as he gave the description of his first near death experience in many different synagogues.

I personally feel that Rabbi Alon Anava had a brush with death that can remind a Messianic Gentile like myself with Matthew chapter four, and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of very down to earth basic Judaism such as was given in Matthew chapter five, six and seven.

Rabbi Alon Anava obviously knew about html coding and he was shown that...

• DennisPTate
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[Hafar1014]

How exactly did Adam & Eve triumph over evil?

After eating the fruit - both their minds were on the brink of insanity - full of shame - for their young minds were not meant to handle the magnitude of knowledge from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge.

God helped cloth them (symbolically in those times - "being naked" was extremely shameful. One who would help cloth you would be regarded as one who loves and cares for you.)

They were given the gift of being able to live their lives in darkness - in order to heal the damage the tree of knowledge imposed on their minds and bodies. Later on they could become closer to God and receive the knowledge the way God intended - at a pace they could sustain - through faith and walking the path he intended for them.

After they ate the fruit they acquired moral knowledge which was Gods plan all along. Its not the tree of knowledge its the tree the fruit of which contains knowledge of good and evil. Morals. God intended them to eat the fruit. Then the moral teaching of man begins and the trial for mans freedom. Thats not damage thats evolution. Christians who cant read Hebrew and dont understand Jewish values have no idea aht Genesis means.

 

[DennisPTate]

I have no religion.

I defend Christians and Jews when the radical left Islamist supporters attack them, however.

Thank you for defending Christians and Jews from the radical left. Obviously you have been very busy!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No selection for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, no vote from me.

 

[DennisPTate]

After they ate the fruit they acquired moral knowledge which was Gods plan all along. Its not the tree of knowledge its the tree the fruit of which contains knowledge of good and evil. Morals. God intended them to eat the fruit. Then the moral teaching of man begins and the trial for mans freedom. Thats not damage thats evolution. Christians who cant read Hebrew and dont understand Jewish values have no idea aht Genesis means.

There is a school of thought that in a way Adam and Eve "fell upwards" in the sense that they learned what they needed to learn from the process of falling to be willing to be sent, [eventually], off after Azazel whose name is there in Leviticus chapter sixteen in the original Hebrew, [that can be seen in the RSV].

ENCOURAGEMENT AND TESHUVA

When a person enters into service of Hashem and sees it is so hard for him, and it seems as if they are distancing him from above and not allowing him at all to enter, he should know that all this feeling of being “distanced” is truthfully only his being “drawn near”. He must remain very very strong not to be discouraged even if many years of hard work go by and he still feels that he is very far and that he didn’t even begin to enter into the gates of holiness, for he sees that he is full of materialism, evil thoughts and the like, and every time he tries to do something holy it is so hard for him and all his crying and pleading with God seems to be going to waste… On all this he needs great courage not to pay attention to these delusions at all. Because all this “distancing”, in truth, is only his “drawing near”, and all the great tzaddikim had to go through this kind of experience before they reached their level. (LM2 48)

You need to have great stubbornness in the service of Hashem (ibid)

And know! A person has to pass a very very narrow bridge, the main thing is to have no fear at all (ibid)

There is no despair in the world! (LM2 78)

If you believe that you can destroy, believe you can fix. (LM2 112)

You need to greatly encourage yourself in His service as much as you can, even if you are the way you are, you should rely on His abundantly great mercy which is beyond limit, for certainly he will not forsake you, no matter how badly you’ve acted. The past doesn’t exist. The main thing is that from now on you honestly resolve not to do it again. (LM2 49)

This is a great principal in Avodas Hashem – That a person has to begin everyday anew. (LM 261)

When a person falls from his level he should know that it’s heaven-sent, because going down is needed in order to go up, therefore he fell, in order that he arouses himself more to come close to Hashem. Advice for him - Begin anew to enter into service of Hashem as if you have never yet even begun (Ibid)

Whenever a person rises from one level to the next, it necessitates that he first has a descent before the ascent. Because the purpose of any descent is always in order to ascend. (LM 22)

There is a lot to talk about here (in the above topic). Because each person who fell to the place where he fell thinks that these words weren’t spoken for him, for he imagines that these ideas are only for great people who are always climbing from one level to the next. But truthfully, you should know and believe, that all these words were also said concerning the smallest of the small and the worst of the worst, for Hashem is forever good to all. (Ibid as quoted in LE)

Nachman of Breslov - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov (1772–1810) was a profound spiritual leader whose teachings emphasize extreme joy, maintaining hope, and combating despair, famously stating, "The whole world is a very narrow bridge, and the main thing is not to be afraid". His sayings focus on personal connection with God, finding good in yourself and others, and persistent, sincere prayer.
Famous Quotes & Teachings on Life and Faith

• On Despair & Hope: "There is no despair in the world at all".
• On Courage: "Gevalt! Never ever give up!".
• On Joy: "It is a great mitzvah to be happy always". "Use every ploy you can think of to bring yourself to joy".

• On Self-Worth: "The day you were born is the day God decided that the world could not exist without you".
• On Positive Focus: "You are wherever your thoughts are, make sure your thoughts are where you want to be".
• On Redemption: "If you believe that you can destroy, believe that you can repair".
• On Finding Good: "Always look for the good points in yourself and others".

On Prayer and Spirituality

• Hitbodedut (Seclusion): "Grant me the ability to be alone, May it be my custom to go outdoors each day... and there may I be alone, and enter into prayer

 

[DennisPTate]

No selection for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, no vote from me.

A Latter day Saint might be tempted by the designation of "Otherwise Christian."

 

[Zebra]

No selection for Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, no vote from me.

There is a selection: otherwise Christian

 

[Zebra]

9 of 20 say: I have no religion