Zone1 Beauty Culture and Works-Based Religions: Mormons and Amish

[HikerGuy83]

So you realize subjecting God to people's own will?

God is subject to his own eternal laws.

Otherwise he is not God.

An arbitrary God would be an unjust God.

As has been stated, people can not accept the gift offered them and they will not be "saved". His supreme offering is agency. He can't force us, nor would he.

From Mark 6:

5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

So, no, God is no subject to our wills. We are subject to eternal law and he won't/can't interfere with that.

That's not a sovereign God, nor one who is omnipotent.

While words have an accepted meaning.

Omnipotent does not mean he can violate his own laws.

He was not happy about the flood, but it was necessary. It broke his heart. Justice demanded it.

So, if you are saying he can "do what he wants", I'll say that is not the case.

I am also saying he would never want to violate those eternal laws. He lives by them and understands their necessity. He governs the universe through them.

 

[HikerGuy83]

In the case you posit, God can only act if we will it.

You have it backwards. God acts according to his perfect and eternal nature. He is perfectly consistent.

And he loves all of us. Even sinners.

But, as demonstrated in Matthew 25, he can't rob justice.

If we reject him, he can't save us. It's not that he won't. I am sure he would if he could. He loves all his children.

 

[HikerGuy83]

In her own way she did.

O.K.

I'll say it out directly.

She's wrong.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Christians believe Jesus can save to the "uttermost"...see the thief on the Cross.

As someone else demonstrated.....the thief was with him....just not in "heaven".

I would ask how saving the thief on the cross would be seen as consistent with Matthew 25.

 

[SweetSue92]

You have it backwards. God acts according to his perfect and eternal nature. He is perfectly consistent.

And he loves all of us. Even sinners.

But, as demonstrated in Matthew 25, he can't rob justice.

If we reject him, he can't save us. It's not that he won't. I am sure he would if he could. He loves all his children.

So all these words just to say that God is a slave to our human, fallen will.

Got it.