America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[Concerned American]

The 'middleman' in the example I gave was the cow. Re-read it. You either didn't understand the point, or you're just bickering for the sake of bickering. lol

Do you understand English? Middle-MAN, you used it in your OP and your example. Did you say middle cow? Nope. You didn't. Please don't get angry, I know it is a common response when a person is shown their failings but you just need to embrace them and get over it. LOL

 

[buttercup]

Do you understand English? Middle-MAN, you used it in your OP and your example. Did you say middle cow? Nope. You didn't. Please don't get angry, I know it is a common response when a person is shown their failings but you just need to embrace them and get over it. LOL

It was a facetious figure of speech… cutting out the middleman… but man, if a joke has to be explained to someone, then just forget it.

And there you go, getting angry again. Who peed in your cheerios today?

 

[toobfreak]

LMAO. You need to just stop. We are omnivores. You are a vegan. We aren't making social judgements on you---rather we are pointing out your hypocrisy. Again enjoy your tofu and we will enjoy our juicy, fatty, tasty meat. MMMMM, MMMMM.

Right. Notice how Buttercup makes many social judgements on others just because they eat meat.

Another form of self-righteousness.

 

[Concerned American]

It was a facetious figure of speech

As has been your whole contribution to this OP. It has been a false, veiled social justice attack on non vegans. Shallow at best.

 

[buttercup]

You need to just stop. We are omnivores.

I disagree.

Here's a video that goes into that topic, in depth. From doctors.



And from a biblical perspective, we absolutely were created as herbivores. Even most Christian flesh eaters don't deny that.

 

[Concerned American]

Right. Notice how Buttercup makes many social judgements on others just because they eat meat.

Another form of self-righteousness.

The worst part of it is she thinkseveryone is as woefully shallow and uneducated as those who indoctrinated her.

 

[toobfreak]

As has been your whole contribution to this OP. It has been a false, veiled social justice attack on non vegans. Shallow at best.

Buttercup is an animal-rights activist. She eats vegetarian purely as a political statement and in principle is against all people who are non-vergans because somehow, somewhere, an animal might have been "exploited."

Unless you got a signed waver from that cow permitting you to cull it, you've exploited the poor thing.

Meantime in the real world, all higher lifeforms subsist on lower life forms. Animals can be culled entirely humanely. That some don't, is just pure capitalism, but not an excuse to stop eating steak but to merely step up enforcement of humane practices.

 

[buttercup]

The worst part of it is she thinkseveryone is as woefully shallow and uneducated as those who indoctrinated her.

That is so upside-down. In fact, that's the most upside-down thing I've read all year.

What is shallow and uneducated is to participate in the horror show that takes place every day, due to either blissful ignorance or simply turning a blind eye to it. No one indoctrinated me. I went vegan when I saw actual video footage of what takes place.

But anyway, I get where you're coming from. I've been on both sides. I ate meat and other animal products for most of my life, just like you. The second best thing I ever did in my life was going vegan, and I'm thankful every day that I did.

 

[toobfreak]

And from a biblical perspective, we absolutely were created as herbivores. Even most Christian flesh eaters don't deny that.

Spare us your video made by some whackjob organization. The truth is that man was an herbivore for a long time, we spent all day as hunter/gatherers collecting berries and such, then discovered eating animals. This helped our brains to develop and freed us from a purely agriculture setting to allow us to develop industry, science and art.

 

[toobfreak]

The worst part of it is she thinkseveryone is as woefully shallow and uneducated as those who indoctrinated her.

Thing is, I love animals too. I've spent far more time in my life eating vegetables than she has. I've grown my own veggies from seed. I just don't judge others by their choices, even hunting--- while I refrain from killing animals myself, I don't judge others because they choose to do so for food or sport.

It is all about choice, but in BC's world, there would be no choice.

 

[toobfreak]

I went vegan when I saw actual video footage of what takes place.

They kill animals. Hopefully over time, they adopt more and better humane practices.

The second best thing I ever did in my life was going vegan

Not exactly something I'd brag about. But as an animal lover, I respect your choice.

 

[ozro]

Meat is such a general term. Just what are we talking about here? I can say my favorite meats are elk, beef, squab, chicken, sheep, goat and turkey. Is fish meat? Catholic kids I knew didn't think so, hence they ate fish and had a "meatless Friday".
I have been places where they eat other things. Most of you probably eat pork, shellfish ect ect...What about dogs, lizards, snakes, horses, bears, mountain lions, wood rats.....this list goes on and on. What about it? The Navajo eat prairie dogs. What about human meat?
So.....the response from the vegan crowd is predictable. No offense intended, I expect you to be amused actually.
But what about the meat eaters? What meat is ok to eat. , and what meat isn't?
Is that a judgement?
Enquiring minds and all that
...

 

[westwall]

No they're not. And even if that WERE true (which it simply isn't) it is a self-defeating "argument." Why, because as a meat eater, you're not only eating the animals (who actually are sentient) but you're also eating the plants THEY eat, that according to you, are sentient. So you're contributing to hell of a lot more casualties, both plant and animal.

No, plants will grow towards music they like, and away from music they don’t like. That's sentience.

You simply don't like the fact that plants feel, and can react to outside stimuli.

 

[buttercup]

Thing is, I love animals too. I've spent far more time in my life eating vegetables than she has. I've grown my own veggies from seed. I just don't judge others by their choices, even hunting--- while I refrain from killing animals myself, I don't judge others because they choose to do so for food or sport.

It is all about choice, but in BC's world, there would be no choice.

You seem to think that I'm against all non-vegans. I'm not. I think a lot of people simply don't realize how bad things are in the animal industries. So how can I fault them for doing something when they don't realize there's anything wrong with it?

And when it comes to my website and YouTube channel... I'm mainly speaking to Christians. I don't hold non-Christians to the same standard as Christians. And even with Christians... if you actually watch my videos, my approach is not militant or combative. At best (or worst, depending on how you want to look at it) it's challenging Christians to look into it and think about it, if they genuinely want to be more aligned with God's heavenly will. (Which Jesus taught, when He said, "Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.")

Here's my channel if you or anyone wants to take a look.

 

[toobfreak]

Meat is such a general term. Just what are we talking about here?

Meat is animal flesh. An animal is any animal from the animal kingdom.

Steaks, beef, cattle, swine, domesticated or wild animals, eggs, fish, dairy, seafood, it is all meat.

I plan on eating a lot of beef, chicken, scallops and shrimp this weekend.

 

[toobfreak]

No, plants will grow towards music they like, and away from music they don’t like. That's sentience.

Not only that but they grow better, faster, in the presence of certain music. Plants hate rock & roll.

I've also heard tell that plants respond/grow better in the presence of kind, loving, gentle people over people who are harsh, angry and violent. If true, they may be responding to our Kirlian aura.

 

[toobfreak]

I think a lot of people simply don't realize how bad things are in the animal industries.

That is a shame as culling animals can be done humanely. Maybe RFK Jr. will effect improvements in that.

I like your website BTW.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm actually having vegetarian lasagna tonight. I actually prefer it over meat lasagna.

 

[buttercup]

That is a shame as culling animals can be done humanely. Maybe RFK Jr. will effect improvements in that.

I like your website BTW.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm actually having vegetarian lasagna tonight. I actually prefer it over meat lasagna.

Thanks! And that sounds delicious. That's something I've been wanting to make recently, I just gotta get the ingredients.

As for what you said about culling animals humanely... I see that very differently now. Not only does that not take place (especially in factory farms, where over 95% of meat comes from) but the way I see it is.... when it's completely unnecessary to eat an animal in the first place, then the genuinely humane thing is to let them live, and not take away the one thing that is most important them....their life. I mean, the word humane basically means compassion. So I think that respecting their will to live is more compassionate than killing them in a slightly less brutal way.

 

[Concerned American]

I disagree.

Here's a video that goes into that topic, in depth. From doctors.



And from a biblical perspective, we absolutely were created as herbivores. Even most Christian flesh eaters don't deny that.

Once again, you are not getting it. WE are the people who are discussing with you. WE are omnivores. IDGAF what your propaganda says. I eat plants and animals for my sustanance. You can talk until you're blue in the face but I will be eating my diet regardless. I've told you to enjoy your diet, why, pray tell, are you so intent on convincing me to change mine? It is either, 1, you are slow or 2, you are a democrat SJW intent on forcing your ideals on others.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Right. Notice how Buttercup makes many social judgements on others just because they eat meat.

Another form of self-righteousness.

Same arguments made by pro-choicers. These are issues of right and wrong. The way we literally abuse and terrorize God's creatures is something humanity will give an account for very soon.

You live a life that you don't want to be judged for so from that you form your defensive arguments.

It's exactly the same tactics used by the pro aborts