America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[buttercup]

Actually there is. Vegans must take supplements to obtain all the nutrients they need.

Further, there are a large percentage who don't process vegetable material.

Not true. I've been vegan for 9 years, and I know lots of vegans. And we're not taking any more supplements than anyone else. The only supplement that many vegans take is B12, but that's not inherent to animals. It's produced by bacteria, and found in soil and water. Or at least it used to be, when the soil was better. Now a lot of livestock are actually injected with B12. Which means that many flesh eaters are getting a B12 supplement, second hand... filtered through a dead body. Vegans just cut out the middleman and take the supplement directly.

 

[toobfreak]

I don't think there's anything 'extremist' about choosing to not partake in evil cruelty, abuse, and needless death and killing.

While there is undoubtedly inhumane procedures, there are many companies that go to great lengths to treat food animals humanely, give them a quality life, and put them down painlessly. The evil part, the cruel part, and the abuse is a presumption on your part. When you eat vegetables, that involves death and killing too. There is not a single lifeform on this planet save for maybe photosynthetic plants and cyanobacteria which do not feed on "death" of something else to sustain their own life.

In fact, I would say it's the other way around. Paying for someone to torture and abuse beings who are completely innocent and defenseless, like babies or small children.... that to me, is more 'extremist.'

Bullshit. If a company is caught outright torturing and abusing animals, they are treated severely by the law. Now answer my question about what was "fake news" about the dates I gave for meat eating. Or do you intend to deflect again?

 

[westwall]

Not true. I've been vegan for 9 years, and I know lots of vegans. And we're not taking any more supplements than anyone else. The only supplement that many vegans take is B12, but that's not inherent to animals. It's produced by bacteria, and found in soil and water. Or at least it used to be, when the soil was better. Now a lot of livestock are actually injected with B12. Which means that many flesh eaters are getting a B12 supplement, second hand... filtered through a dead body. Vegans just cut out the middleman and take the supplement directly.

I'm 80, been an omnivore since I was 6 months old. I take no supplements. I still ride my bike and walk miles almost every day. Blizzards are about the only thing that keep me indoors.

 

[buttercup]

While there is undoubtedly inhumane procedures, there are many companies that go to great lengths to treat food animals humanely, give them a quality life, and put them down painlessly. The evil part, the cruel part, and the abuse is a presumption on your part. When you eat vegetables, that involves death and killing too. There is not a single lifeform on this planet save for maybe photosynthetic plants and cyanobacteria which do not feed on "death" of something else to sustain their own life.


Bullshit. If a company is caught outright torturing and abusing animals, they are treated severely by the law. Now answer my question about what was "fake news" about the dates I gave for meat eating. Or do you intend to deflect again?

Sigh. Wow. Just wow. Come on, man, you're smarter than that.

Plants are not sentient. They don't have a brain or central nervous system. They were literally designed to be food.

If you see no difference between slitting the throat of a pig and cutting a tomato, then I don't know what to tell you. TBH, I think it's disingenuous.

And that is the absolute worst argument against veganism, of all. And that's saying a lot! Because all the arguments are bad. lol!

 

[toobfreak]

Not true. I've been vegan for 9 years, and I know lots of vegans.

So, a noob. Only nine years? I was quasi-vegan far longer, I grew my own vegetables, I studied roots and plants and herbs, I did it all, the whole nine yards. But I also realize the value of meat and seafood. Your body needs quality protein. And I realized long ago that eat it or not, the same meat will be in the grocery case either way.

 

[buttercup]

I'm 80, been an omnivore since I was 6 months old. I take no supplements. I still ride my bike and walk miles almost every day. Blizzards are about the only thing that keep me indoors.

I don't take supplements either. I don't have to. I eat a good variety of food, and try to eat healthy most of the time. And in the last several years, every time I've had my bloodwork done, it has come back nearly perfect. Every time.

 

[Leo123]

I'm 80, been an omnivore since I was 6 months old. I take no supplements. I still ride my bike and walk miles almost every day. Blizzards are about the only thing that keep me indoors.

Somehow we all made it to old age without nanny government 'help.' No seat belts, riding our bikes without a helmet, drinking regular tap water out of the hose, swinging on ropes hanging from trees, climbing trees without climbing equipment, etc.

 

[toobfreak]

Plants are not sentient. They don't have a brain or central nervous system. They were literally designed to be food.

Wrong. It is well-proven that plants feel pain and are aware of their environment, just not on the level you and I relate to. We now know that in the woods, all the trees and things are all interconnected via their roots and if one plant feels pain, it is related to other plants in the area which then respond. Plants are alive so when you eat one, you feed on their death.

If you see no difference between slitting the throat of a pig and cutting a tomato, then I don't know what to tell you.

Seriously? B&W reasoning? Please don't put words in my mouth--- and yes, there are humane ways of killing a pig, I'm not in favor of "slitting its throat." In fact, I greatly care about animals.

So when will you stop deflecting and answer my question and tell me which dates of mine were "fake news?"

 

[buttercup]

So, a noob. Only nine years? I was quasi-vegan far longer, I grew my own vegetables, I studied roots and plants and herbs, I did it all, the whole nine yards. But I also realize the value of meat and seafood. Your body needs quality protein. And I realized long ago that eat it or not, the same meat will be in the grocery case either way.

It sounds like you were plantbased.... not vegan. Veganism isn't about health. It's an ethical stance.

And protein originally comes from plants! How do you think the animals you eat get their protein? It's not hard at all to get enough protein!

And plant protein isn't linked to cancer, unlike the protein people get from animals.

Btw.... Most Americans actually get more than enough protein. You know what they're not getting enough of? Fiber.

 

[westwall]

Sigh. Wow. Just wow. Come on, man, you're smarter than that.

Plants are not sentient. They don't have a brain or central nervous system. They were literally designed to be food.

If you see no difference between slitting the throat of a pig and cutting a tomato, then I don't know what to tell you. TBH, I think it's disingenuous.

And that is the absolute worst argument against veganism, of all. And that's saying a lot! Because all the arguments are bad. lol!

Plants respond to music, so yes, they ARE sentient.

 

[Concerned American]

Vegans just cut out the middleman and take the supplement directly.

Do you actually pay attention to what you post? ^^^ Who do you think produces the supplement? Yup, that would be the middleman. SMH, your type is one of the reasons I'm not vegan.

 

[Concerned American]

If a company is caught outright torturing and abusing animals, they are treated severely by the law.

Brings to mind a case in a CA central valley dairy. A cow died and there was a video of the carcass being moved roughly with a forklift. The liberal outcry was deafening and I believe the dairy was fined by the state for some cockamamie law.

 

[Leo123]

Wrong. It is well-proven that plants feel pain and are aware of their environment, just not on the level you and I relate to. We now know that in the woods, all the trees and things are all interconnected via their roots and if one plant feels pain, it is related to other plants in the area which then respond. Plants are alive so when you eat one, you feed on their death.


Seriously? B&W reasoning? Please don't put words in my mouth--- and yes, there are humane ways of killing a pig, I'm not in favor of "slitting its throat." In fact, I greatly care about animals.

So when will you stop deflecting and answer my question and tell me which dates of mine were "fake news?"

Trees are connected and communicate via the network from which mushrooms arise. This is done with Mycelium fungal threads. It is actually a world wide web.

Underground Networking: The Amazing Connections Beneath Your Feet

Next time you’re exploring a forest, consider what lies below the soil, leaves, and moss that carpet the ground. Underneath the forest floor, intertwined with the roots of the trees, is a fascinating microscopic network of fungus.

www.nationalforests.org

 

[justoffal]

All we ask is that you eat what you want, and don't tell me I can't make a different choice.

They can't do that. They have a need to control you.

 

[buttercup]

Plants respond to music, so yes, they ARE sentient.

No they're not. And even if that WERE true (which it simply isn't) it is a self-defeating "argument." Why, because as a meat eater, you're not only eating the animals (who actually are sentient) but you're also eating the plants THEY eat, that according to you, are sentient. So you're contributing to hell of a lot more casualties, both plant and animal.

 

[buttercup]

 

[toobfreak]

It sounds like you were plantbased.... not vegan. Veganism isn't about health. It's an ethical stance.

Baloney. I began studying diet and nutrition since about 1963, I began studying gardening and herbs probably in the mid-70s. I have shelves full of books on plants, gardening and herbs. The basis of veganism was always about health. The ethical, political aspect of doing it for the animals has only slowly emerged as the left took the practice over and made it into another form of activism. There is not a thing about plants and animals you can teach me.

And protein originally comes from plants! How do you think the animals you eat get their protein?

Some animals manufacture their own, some get it from eating other animals and some plants. But if you think you are getting much protein from plants, let me tell you that normally takes special digestive juices and bacteria in the digestion plus fermentation, things you do not have.

It's not hard at all to get enough protein!

It is very hard if you are eating 100% plants. You are mainly getting starches, sugars and carbohydrates, except for certain high-protein sources like lentils, etc.

And plant protein isn't linked to cancer, unlike the protein people get from animals.

Not quite true. Protein is protein, the difference is that getting protein from lentils, etc., is free of some of the less healthy things that come with the protein from animals such as cholesterol and fat.

 

[buttercup]

Do you actually pay attention to what you post? ^^^ Who do you think produces the supplement? Yup, that would be the middleman. SMH, your type is one of the reasons I'm not vegan.

The 'middleman' in the example I gave was the cow. Re-read it. You either didn't understand the point, or you're just bickering for the sake of bickering. lol

 

[Concerned American]

Why, because as a meat eater, you're not only eating the animals (who actually are sentient) but you're also eating the plants THEY eat, that according to you, are sentient.

LMAO. You need to just stop. We are omnivores. You are a vegan. We aren't making social judgements on you---rather we are pointing out your hypocrisy. Again enjoy your tofu and we will enjoy our juicy, fatty, tasty meat. MMMMM, MMMMM.

 

[toobfreak]

Trees are connected and communicate via the network from which mushrooms arise. This is done with Mycelium fungal threads. It is actually a world wide web.

Thank you. Yes, there are special fungi that do nothing but grow underground and live on and interconnect the roots of trees and such. If you are in the woods, you can be sure that every tree there is connected to every other tree in the area. I watched a documentary on this, where they treated a certain plant one way and over time, the "attack" on the plant was transmitted to other similar plants in the area which took up a "defense" if they were so treated as well.