America Is Done Pretending About Meat

[Concerned American]

Mind your own business, God did not consider it murder!

There is a place for all God's creatures, right next to the mashed potatoes.

 

[toobfreak]

And I for one can't wait for the day that people stop exploiting, terrorizing and murdering animals.

Animals are FOOD. Can you get by not eating them? Sure. I've tried soy-based hamburgers and some of them are OK. On occasion, I've even sauteed giant sliced mushrooms and used them in thick slabs to make a sandwich! But the problem is CHOICE--- everytime the Left get involved, as soon as they promote EV cars they try to FORCE everyone to own one by 2035! And well, now that has failed.

And let the Left get involved in vege food, and right away, they want to try to FORCE everyone into eating nothing but soybeans and bugs. And now that too is failing.

Because Democrats simply cannot accept free choice.

 

[buttercup]

God did not consider it murder!

Not so fast there. If God wanted us to needlessly kill animals, that would have been His original design. But His original - and ultimate - design is the exact opposite.

Genesis 1:29-30 (original)

Isaiah 11:6-9 (ultimate)

Animals were not created to be food. They later became "food", but that is an aspect of this fallen world, and it is temporary. From a biblical perspective, the future is peace and harmony among all creation, a restoration of the initial paradise, and how it was in the Garden of Eden. You clearly won't like it, if you like killing and death.

 

[buttercup]

Animals are FOOD.

I disagree, but I really don't feel like arguing at the moment. Plus, I have IRL stuff I have to do. I've been spending too much time here this morning.

 

[Meister]

Here ya go....

It's okay, that would never pass the USDA inspection. Nice try

 

[The Duke]

Not so fast there. If God wanted us to needlessly kill animals, that would have been His original design. But His original - and ultimate - design is the exact opposite.

Genesis 1:29-30 (original)

Isaiah 11:6-9 (ultimate)

Animals were not created to be food. They later became "food", but that is an aspect of this fallen world, and it is temporary. From a biblical perspective, the future is peace and harmony among all creation, a restoration of the initial paradise, and how it was in the Garden of Eden. You clearly won't like it, if you like killing and death.

You're not wrong about that, but since the fall God gave man dominion over all the animals.

 

[buttercup]

You're not wrong about that, but since the fall God gave man dominion over all the animals.

Yes, but the dominion God intended is NOTHING at all like the "dominion" we've been doing. I wrote a blog post about this, if you or anyone else wants to read it:

A Closer Look At Dominion - Live Mercifully

As a Christian vegan, one of the most common objections to veganism that I encounter when talking to other Christians is, “But man was given dominion over the animals.” So I want to talk about this very important concept that I believe has been deeply misunderstood. This misunderstanding is at...

www.livemercifully.com

 

[The Duke]

Yes, but the dominion God intended is NOTHING at all like the "dominion" we've been doing. I wrote a blog post about this, if you or anyone else wants to read it:

A Closer Look At Dominion - Live Mercifully

As a Christian vegan, one of the most common objections to veganism that I encounter when talking to other Christians is, “But man was given dominion over the animals.” So I want to talk about this very important concept that I believe has been deeply misunderstood. This misunderstanding is at...

www.livemercifully.com

I'm not reading that, but respect your opinion on it.

 

[toobfreak]

Not so fast there. If God wanted us to needlessly kill animals, that would have been His original design.

Oh please don't presume now that you speak for God, or that your interpretation of the Bible speaks for all people at all times.

I guarantee you that 300,000 years ago, people were eating meat. 3 million years ago, homo sapien's precursor was eating meat. 20,000 years ago, Neanderthal was eating meat. 2000 years ago, we were eating meat. In fact, cooking our meat for dinner has been traced back 1.5 million years. Hunting food with bows (meat) 100,000 years ago and domestication of animals for food and other uses at least 11,000 years ago.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Give me an Angus NY steak, cooked medium. My wife will have hers rare and bloody.

Amen, my brother!

 

[Bootneck]

I already clearly stated that I know full well most people are extremely stubborn when it comes to what they eat.

I used to be that way too. I've mentioned this many times before, but I specifically remember stating out loud "I will NEVER be a vegan or vegetarian." Yet here I am. lol. There are millions of people with that same exact experience.

I hear you're auditioning for that new Broadway vegan musical 'The Sound of Muesli'.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, but the dominion God intended is NOTHING at all like the "dominion" we've been doing.

Oh please DO tell me which of my facts about the history of meat eating is "fake news!"

Or let me guess, you just don't feel like discussing it now, right?

Mankind has always eaten meat and likely always will. Meat was essential to our development of what we are today. And I say that as both a big animal lover and as someone who spent about 20 years of my life as a near total vegetarian.

Meat is here to stay.

 

[buttercup]

Oh please DO tell me which of my facts about the history of meat eating is "fake news!"

Or let me guess, you just don't feel like discussing it now, right?

Mankind has always eaten meat and likely always will. Meat was essential to our development of what we are today. And I say that as both a big animal lover and as someone who spent about 20 years of my life as a near total vegetarian.

Meat is here to stay.

You're arguing from the secular, Darwinian standpoint. The 'fake news' was for that entire worldview.

And as I already said, I don't want to argue this right now. That is not to say that I won't later... I almost always post whenever this discussion comes up. But it's going to have to wait.

 

[toobfreak]

You're arguing from the secular, Darwinian standpoint.

No, I am arguing facts from the historical, scientific record.

And as I already said, I don't want to argue this right now.

Then you should keep your trap shut and not interject yourself in discussions if you are not prepared to defend your bullshit.

 

[Anathema]

I already clearly stated that I know full well most people are extremely stubborn when it comes to what they eat.

I used to be that way too. I've mentioned this many times before, but I specifically remember stating out loud "I will NEVER be a vegan or vegetarian." Yet here I am. lol. There are millions of people with that same exact experience.

Not me. I’d be a strict carnivore if it were reasonably possible. Drives my MD and my Nutritionist crazy relative to my Type II Disbetes.

 

[Concerned American]

Not me. I’d be a strict carnivore if it were reasonably possible. Drives my MD and my Nutritionist crazy relative to my Type II Disbetes.

Wow, not being diabetic, I didn't realize that meat was not on their diet. I had heard that "anything white" was not on it, but I had never heard anything about meat. Seems that those with diabetes have very little that they can safely eat.

 

[toobfreak]

You're arguing from the secular, Darwinian standpoint.

Keep your trap shut and your opinions to yourself if you are unwilling to answer questions nor defend your claims. That is a rule violation. Keep it up and you'll be reported.

 

[buttercup]

Keep your trap shut and your opinions to yourself if you are unwilling to answer questions nor defend your claims. That is a rule violation. Keep it up and you'll be reported.

You came back to say the same thing again? Did you forget you already told me to shut up in post #34?

Maybe you didn't realize this, but this topic has come up tons of times on other threads, and I HAVE debated it six ways to Sunday, on numerous threads, going back for years.

So for you to say I'm unwilling to defend my claims is hilarious, since I have an entire YouTube channel devoted to this topic, and a blog (which I linked to) AND I have debated it extensively on numerous threads, repeatedly.

I didn't even say I wasn't going to debate it. I said that it would have to wait because AT THAT TIME, earlier, real life was calling. I didn't have time for a lengthy debate, and certainly not with an angry person who shows no goodwill and is acting like they lost their marbles.

Unlike you, apparently, I'm not a retired 80 year old who has all the time in the world to post all day.

I have a job AND I've been working on a very time-consuming creative project of my own, which I was trying to get finished today.

So if it's a "rules violation" to say it'll have to wait til later, then so be it. Go ahead and report me for not catering to your retired person schedule.

Sheesh.

 

[Concerned American]

So for you to say I'm unwilling to defend my claims is hilarious, since I have an entire YouTube channel devoted to this topic, and a blog (which I linked to) AND I have debated it extensively on numerous threads, repeatedly.

And you claim that you are not trying to tell people what to eat. LMFAO, the hell you say.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Very nice essay..hit quite a few nails on the head. The gist of it is simple...for most of us, the plant-based diet was more about social compulsion and less about actual desire.

I used the Yahoo link to get around the Atlantic paywall.

America Is Done Pretending About Meat

Plant-based eating has lost its appeal.

www.yahoo.com

A few snippets..it's a longish essay:

Making America healthy again, it seems, starts with a double cheeseburger and fries. Earlier this month, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. visited a Steak ’n Shake in Florida and shared a meal with Fox News’s Sean Hannity. The setting was no accident: Kennedy has praised the fast-food chain for switching its cooking oil from seed oil, which he falsely claims causes illness, to beef tallow. “People are raving about these french fries,” Kennedy said after eating one, before commending other restaurants that fry with beef tallow: Popeyes, Buffalo Wild Wings, Outback Steakhouse.

To put it another way, if you order fries at Steak ’n Shake, cauliflower wings at Buffalo Wild Wings, or the Bloomin’ Onion at Outback, your food will be cooked in cow fat. For more than a decade, cutting down on meat and other animal products has been idealized as a healthier, more ethical way to eat. Guidelines such as “Eat Food. Not Too Much. Mostly Plants” may have disproportionately appealed to liberals in big cities, but the meat backlash has been unavoidable across the United States. The Obama administration passed a law to limit meat in school lunches; more recently, meat alternatives such as Impossible Burger and Beyond Meat have flooded grocery-store shelves, and fast-food giants are even serving them up in burgers and nuggets. It all heralded a future that seemed more tempeh than tomahawk steak: “Could this be the beginning of the end of meat?” wrote The New York Times in 2022.

Now the goal of eating less meat has lost its appeal. A convergence of cultural and nutritional shifts, supercharged by the return of the noted hamburger-lover President Donald Trump, has thrust meat back to the center of the American plate. It’s not just MAGA bros and MAHA moms who resist plant-based eating. A wide swath of the U.S. seems to be sending a clear message: Nobody should feel bad about eating meat.
Many people are relieved to hear it. Despite all of the attention on why people should eat less meat—climate change, health, animal welfare—Americans have kept consuming more and more of it. From 2014 to 2024, annual per capita meat consumption rose by nearly 28 pounds, the equivalent of roughly 100 chicken breasts. One way to make sense of this “meat paradox,” as the ethicist Peter Singer branded it in The Atlantic in 2023, is that there is a misalignment between how people want to eat and the way they actually do. The thought of suffering cows releasing methane bombs into the atmosphere pains me, but I love a medium-rare porterhouse.

Seed oil = death