Allen West is a disgrace.

[digger]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

Paula Jones sued President Clinton for sexual harrassment. As part of the investigation, several people, including Monica Lewinsky, were deposed. Naturally there were questions about Clinton's possible sexual relations with other subordinates...that's expected in a harrassment case. Lewinsky lied in sworn affidavit and so did Clinton in his deposition to the Grand Jury. So Clinton didn't "lie to Congress," he lied to a Grand Jury, which is perjury, so he was impeached on charges of obstruction of Justic and Perjury.

Thank you. I'd forgotten just about every single detail. What ended up happening with Jones?

Sexual harassment sucks. Can't really defend that. But it's still a ridiculous thing to compare to torture.

 

[pinqy]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

Paula Jones sued President Clinton for sexual harrassment. As part of the investigation, several people, including Monica Lewinsky, were deposed. Naturally there were questions about Clinton's possible sexual relations with other subordinates...that's expected in a harrassment case. Lewinsky lied in sworn affidavit and so did Clinton in his deposition to the Grand Jury. So Clinton didn't "lie to Congress," he lied to a Grand Jury, which is perjury, so he was impeached on charges of obstruction of Justic and Perjury.

Thank you. I'd forgotten just about every single detail. What ended up happening with Jones?

Sexual harassment sucks. Can't really defend that. But it's still a ridiculous thing to compare to torture.

Case was dismissed and was appealed, but Clinton settled for $80k before the appeal went through.

As for "torture," that word is flung around a lot. They beat Hamoodi and threatened him with a gun. Not really torture in the traditional sense.

 

[Liability]

I rarely thank autoZona, since she is such a dope.

But I do thank her for her unintelligent vapid OP merely because it finally got me to look a bit further at Lt. Col. West. He seems to have several positions I respect.

Like, for example, his notion of redefining citizen to EXCLUDE the children born here of illegal aliens is exactly what we need.

Good for him.

Here is a handy link to SOME (not all) of his positions. It will likely get updated over time as his positions emerge with greater clarity. Allen West on the Issues

 

[Wicked Jester]

Honorable​

Disgrace​

Sir, you have served. If the military TOLD you to retire and pay them 5k or face a courts martial and not get an HONARABLE discharge...then that is a disgrace.

In CONWORLD...up is down and down is up.

Therefore you can have such a thing as a "swiftboated" real American Patroit and you can have a Chicken Hawk like the two Shrubs elevated to Saintlihood. All-the-while bootlickers like that one (see SFC Ollie) will praise a discharged palooka like West as a true American hero.

The madness never ends with these fringer nutjobs.

*SMH*

John Kerry is a subversive douchebag who embolded the enemy with his cowardly actions, and no doubt aided in the deaths of his fellow amricans......The man (pfffffft) has american blood on his hands.

John Kerry is no patriot....He is a subversive douchebag, nothing more!

 

[Wicked Jester]

So, lets just lay out Zona's lies yet again.

West was not forced to retire.

He did not face court martial had he decided not to retire.

Once it was kicked down to article 15, court martial was off the table.

He was basically slapped on then wrist, and RIGHTFULLY so, after prosecutors could not produce enough evidence to proceed to court martial.....Hence, Odierno RIGHTFULLY told prosecutors to stick it.

Zona is only perpetrating said lies because West has the guts to come out and call out Obama for what he truly is.....An inept clown, and worst president in US history.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Evidently if the army claims that you haven't tortured someone, than you haven't. Doesn't matter if you kidnapped him, beat him, and made him think you were going to kill him. As long as the army only fines you $5,000 and kicks you out, you never tortured anyone.

You're an idiot.......He was never kicked out, nor did he torture anybody, you far left wing lil' fool.

Stop with the lies, pee wee!

 

[SFC Ollie]

In civilian life we have laws that we have to obey and adhere to.

In the military you have the UCMJ

Allen West decided that he was above the Law.

And thus engaged in criminal activity.

He is no better than a common criminal and has no business being in the White House.

The day you've been there is the day you can question a man's action like Mr West's until than you're nothing more the air blowing in a breeze.

Negative on that.

Once he lets it be known that he is going to run for the president of the United States is life is an open book.

And every action that he took is open to be examined and question.

Really? When is Obama going to open that book for us? We now have the most secretive administration ever. And you think the next guy should be an open book? What was the subject of Obamas college papers? Who were Obamas clients as an attorney? And dozens of other questions you can't answer....

 

[High_Gravity]

The day you've been there is the day you can question a man's action like Mr West's until than you're nothing more the air blowing in a breeze.

Negative on that.

Once he lets it be known that he is going to run for the president of the United States is life is an open book.

And every action that he took is open to be examined and question.

Really? When is Obama going to open that book for us? We now have the most secretive administration ever. And you think the next guy should be an open book? What was the subject of Obamas college papers? Who were Obamas clients as an attorney? And dozens of other questions you can't answer....

I don't think West has anything to be ashamed of, Obama admitted to experimenting with cocaine and I thought that would kill his Presidential ambitions, but it didn't.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I don't understand all this torture BS. He scared the **** out of a guy who likely (Though we could be wrong) had ties to the local enemy. The guy talked and attacks stopped...

But then OJ was innocent too.......

 

[MikeK]

He protected his men.

Apparently not, as no real connection was ever found. And since he had the means and ability to do things properly through trained 35M or 35L soldiers, he should have. Dragging in a police officer and doing an illegal interrogation is not the way to protect your men.

Maybe if you read a little more you would find out that attacks against his men stopped after this incident and didn't start again until after he was relieved. Hmmm, didn't your talking points cover that little bit of information?

Then by that reasoning the best thing the Army could do in Iraq is start abducting local officials, have some goons beat the shit out of them and turn them loose.

Ollie, you should submit that suggestion to Petraeus.

 

[ClosedCaption]

There is no such thing as "rule of law" republicans. They honor treason (see Raygun Iran contra) they see greatness in lying (see Oliver North). They protect and see value in breaking the law (see defense of torture). And believes that someone who sits on their hands as a good and wise thing to do (see Obama...no wait, see GWB on the day of 9/11)

All those things are good....as long as a republican does it.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Racial caricatures are only racist if you apply them to someone whose race matches the caricature. Pictures of Bush as a monkey were intended to make fun of his intellect and had nothing to do with his skin color. You really couldn't figure that out on your own? I think you're a troll.

"Someone whose race matches the caricature"

So, what YOU are saying is that blacks match monkeys.......Blacks look like monkeys.

Racist lil' coward!

 

[Liability]

There is no such thing as "rule of law" republicans. They honor treason (see Raygun Iran contra) they see greatness in lying (see Oliver North). They protect and see value in breaking the law (see defense of torture). And believes that someone who sits on their hands as a good and wise thing to do (see Obama...no wait, see GWB on the day of 9/11)

All those things are good....as long as a republican does it.

Another lying lib. What a surprise. Not.

President Reagan obviously never committed treason, you jack-off.

Oliver North may have lied, but he was doing what he was doing for the President who was acting on behalf OF the United States, not contyrary to her interests, you idiot.

Nobody has defended torture. Many of us simply deny your false claim that waterboarding constitutes "torture" in the first place." Your inability to properly define terms is not a defense of torture by any of us on the right, you schmuck.

And President Bush didn't sit on his hands on 9/11/2001.

You puke uber libs are incapable of honesty or integrity.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Apparently not, as no real connection was ever found. And since he had the means and ability to do things properly through trained 35M or 35L soldiers, he should have. Dragging in a police officer and doing an illegal interrogation is not the way to protect your men.

Maybe if you read a little more you would find out that attacks against his men stopped after this incident and didn't start again until after he was relieved. Hmmm, didn't your talking points cover that little bit of information?

Then by that reasoning the best thing the Army could do in Iraq is start abducting local officials, have some goons beat the shit out of them and turn them loose.

Ollie, you should submit that suggestion to Petraeus.

Hey, you're the lil' idiot who called for a Wisconsin senator being dragged from his home and tortured, you cowardly lil' ****.

And don't deny it, punk.........The evidence is still out there.

 

[Wicked Jester]

I don't understand how anyone who has served and some who retired from the military can think that an Article 15 is a career ender.

I was the recipient of one back in 73. and 10 years later made E7 in the secondary zone of consideration. That Article 15 didn't even slow me down.

No shit.....I received one for three pot seeds on my barracks room floor, that the loady dog sniffed out.

Battalion commander asked me how I plead, I said "guilty sir, all I ask is that I retain my rank. I worked hard to get my rank".....He said, "I respect you owning up to your mistake. You're losing half a months pay, and performing 45 days extra duty. You will retain your rank. That is all PFC ______!

Never hurt a damn thing down the road.

 

[Jroc]

Did 'enhanced interrogation' save Los Angeles?


If you live in L.A. and didn't die in a terrorist attack, you may owe it to the CIA's use of the "enhanced interrogation techniques" that are currently under fire from the Obama administration and the left-wing fringe.


In a compelling Op-Ed in Tuesday's Washington Post, Marc A. Thiessen disproves Barack Obama's hollow claim that such techniques "did not make us safer." Rather than following the MSM lead and merely parroting the Obamatons' talking points after the release of previously-classified memos this week, Thiessen actually examined the documents.


Thiessen concludes that Obama's contention is "patently false. The proof is in the memos Obama made public -- in sections that have gone virtually unreported in the media."


"...that have gone virtually unreported in the media." No surprise there. The legacy media has proved to be singularly un-inquisitive when it comes to facts that get in the way of Obama talking points.


Thiessen specifically refers to a May, 2005 memo regarding two top al Qaeda operatives, Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah:


"the CIA believes 'the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.' . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques... Before the CIA used enhanced techniques ... KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, 'Soon you will find out.' "


But once the enhanced techniques were used, "interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates."


In other words, the techniques worked when previous interrogation methods had failed.


Indeed, the memos point out that the only way to get information from Qaeda operatives may be through the use of such enhanced methods:


"as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, 'brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship."


The CIA documents reveal specifically that the enhanced techniques:


"led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles... information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the 'Second Wave.' "


Further, the memo states that KSM might never have been captured, and the information he revealed never learned, without enhanced interrogation techniques used against Zubaydah.


"...Zubaydah -- again, once enhanced techniques were employed -- furnished detailed information regarding al Qaeda's 'organizational structure, key operatives, and modus operandi' and identified KSM as the mastermind of the September 11 attacks."

American Thinker Blog: Did 'enhanced interrogation' save Los Angeles?

 

[Wicked Jester]

And here in Malibu, if you're black, riding around in a hoopdee piece o' shit, sporting gang colors, damn right the Sherriffs are pulling them over......For one reason, there was a problem with L.A. gangs coming up into our well to do neighborhood and doing home invasions......So yes, if you don't look like you belong, you will be questioned.

If the blacks have a problem with this, then they need to look towards their OWN who cause profiling to be sometimes nevessary.

Wow. I mean, wow! Wow! Tell me how you really feel, why don't you?

That last paragraph is particularly awesome. It's Black people who cause racial profiling! By being so damn profilable! The next time one of my Black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason, I'll tell him to take it up with the gangs.

Damn right!.........It's time the blacks start looking towards their own.....Because in this case, YES, it was blacks who caused the profiling to be necessary.

It wasn't white gangs doing the home invasions.....It was black gangs doing it......So yes, the sheriffs damn sure better profile when necessary.

I don't have a problem with it, because it's not as wide spread as paranoid lil' lefty's like you want to believe it is......Fact is, you loons just need something to incessantly whine about all the time.

Next time one of your black friends complains about being pulled over for no reason.......Maybe you should press him to come clean about what driving law he broke, or what infraction may have actually occured.

That victim card shit is gettin' awfully old.

 

[digger]

Any chance you'd be able to document that assertion with a link? I would find you the information to prove you wrong, but I know you won't look at it.

 

[MarcATL]

There is no such thing as "rule of law" republicans. They honor treason (see Raygun Iran contra) they see greatness in lying (see Oliver North). They protect and see value in breaking the law (see defense of torture). And believes that someone who sits on their hands as a good and wise thing to do (see Obama...no wait, see GWB on the day of 9/11)

All those things are good....as long as a republican does it.

Good-for-Nothin' CON$ are just that, good. for. nothing!

 

[Wicked Jester]

What the hell do you know about the military, other than bashing honorable servicemen like Lt. Colonel West. You're pathetically unpatriotic. Probably support terrorists too.,..

23 years in the Army as a Military Intelligence professional, active duty and reserves, with service in Desert Storm and Afghanistan, stateside callups at the Pentagon and elsewhere.

My dick is bigger than yours if you want to compare service records.

Well, in my 23 years in the Navy - we always said "The Army was reserved for dummies."

How true you make that point.

For a supposed 23 year veteran to NOT know the difference between an Article 15 and a Court Martial is truly astonishing.

You really are a dummy.

Crawl back into your cubicle now.

And the NAVY is reserved for dudes who like spending months on end at sea with a bunch of other sweaty dudes, and no women in sight.......Whole lotta grab ass goin' on aboard all those USS Manloveboats!