Allen West is a disgrace.

[pinqy]

I was implying an Article 15 equates to a misdemeanor.

No, you stated that an Article 15 IS a midemeanor. You did not imply, you stated. You did not equate, you said it was.

And you're still wrong. A misdemeanor is a CATEGORY of offense. An Article 15 is a proceeding. The same offense, for example assault, could be handled either through Article 15 or court martial. Generally speaking, the types of offenses handled under Article 15 would be misdemeanor offenses, or not crimes at all, under civilian jurisdiction, but it's a meaningless distinction when it comes to UCMJ. Generally, Article 15's are used when, the case would too hard to prove in a Court Martial, when speed in resolution is desired, or when a court martial is considered overkill, and there are many offenses, especially assault, that can easily be either court martial or article 15 depending on the CO's judgement.

I note you failed to state where I confused court martial with article 15 or showed I didn't know the difference.

 

[slukasiewski]

Some people that struggle in the service can succeed in the civilian world, a friend of mine got kicked out of the AF after 2 DUI's and 4 years later he finished up his Masters Degree and just landed a job making around $50,000-60,000, and when he got out everyone thought he would fail, life is funny like that somtimes, and the Master Sergeant that got the ball rolling on discharging him lives in a trailer park in Oklahoma and collects unemployment.

Oh yeah - I know a few senior enlisteds myself who railroaded good kids out - and were the biggest perverts and welfare cases in the community themselves....

Sometimes people who stay in the Military for a long time struggle to adjust on the outside, shit my old superintendent at Offutt retired honorably, and than got caught trying to solicit an underage girl online who ended up being a Police detective.

Online Enticement Suspect Nabbed

Hope he spends a long time in jail

 

[Sunni Man]

In civilian life we have laws that we have to obey and adhere to.

In the military you have the UCMJ

Allen West decided that he was above the Law.

And thus engaged in criminal activity.

He is no better than a common criminal and has no business being in the White House.

The day you've been there is the day you can question a man's action like Mr West's until than you're nothing more the air blowing in a breeze.

Negative on that.

Once he lets it be known that he is going to run for the president of the United States is life is an open book.

And every action that he took is open to be examined and question.

 

[High_Gravity]

Oh yeah - I know a few senior enlisteds myself who railroaded good kids out - and were the biggest perverts and welfare cases in the community themselves....

Sometimes people who stay in the Military for a long time struggle to adjust on the outside, shit my old superintendent at Offutt retired honorably, and than got caught trying to solicit an underage girl online who ended up being a Police detective.

Online Enticement Suspect Nabbed

Hope he spends a long time in jail

Me too, it tripped me out at first because he really didn't seem like the type do that, the wierd thing is his wife is standing by him and they are still married.

 

[slukasiewski]

I was implying an Article 15 equates to a misdemeanor.

No, you stated that an Article 15 IS a midemeanor. You did not imply, you stated. You did not equate, you said it was.

And you're still wrong. A misdemeanor is a CATEGORY of offense. An Article 15 is a proceeding. The same offense, for example assault, could be handled either through Article 15 or court martial. Generally speaking, the types of offenses handled under Article 15 would be misdemeanor offenses, or not crimes at all, under civilian jurisdiction, but it's a meaningless distinction when it comes to UCMJ. Generally, Article 15's are used when, the case would too hard to prove in a Court Martial, when speed in resolution is desired, or when a court martial is considered overkill, and there are many offenses, especially assault, that can easily be either court martial or article 15 depending on the CO's judgement.

I note you failed to state where I confused court martial with article 15 or showed I didn't know the difference.

Thanks for confirming what I posted earlier, Gomer, that an Article 15 equals a misdemeanor. You may resume drooling on yourself now.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Everything is his fault. In fact, if he wasn't president, West never would have tortured anybody.

I think that is only true in regard to Obama's speeches, which are indeed a from of torture (particularly for the English language.)

 

[digger]

Allen West is GREAT!

I love him.

Excellent retort. (You do know he violated the ucmj and was forced to retire dont you?)

The army didnt want him, so of course you think he is "GREAT".

Clinton lied to the American people and a grand jury, found guilty and KEPT his office. I suppose you love him? Idiot.

It's rare to see such a pure, text book example of misdirection. Clinton is so 10 years ago. No one but partisan hacks cared at the time, and no one but partisan hacks care now. He cheated on his wife. Big deal. He lied to Congress about it. Not the best thing to do, but not in the same league as torture. I would be concerned if he had lied about something more substantial. Like why we're going to war. And why the hell was Congress asking the president about his sex life anyway? Manufactured scandal.

I have this weird feeling that you're going to spend the next couple pages ranting about Clinton, of all things. A handy way to get around all of these pesky facts that people are pointing out to you.

 

[Robert]

In civilian life we have laws that we have to obey and adhere to.

In the military you have the UCMJ

Allen West decided that he was above the Law.

And thus engaged in criminal activity.

He is no better than a common criminal and has no business being in the White House.

The day you've been there is the day you can question a man's action like Mr West's until than you're nothing more the air blowing in a breeze.

Negative on that.

Once he lets it be known that he is going to run for the president of the United States is life is an open book.

And every action that he took is open to be examined and question.

Quite unlike Messiah Obama ....right?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Clinton is so 10 years ago. No one but partisan hacks cared at the time, and no one but partisan hacks care now. He cheated on his wife. Big deal. He lied to Congress about it. Not the best thing to do, but not in the same league as torture.

He bribed witnesses, he threatened witnesses, he destroyed evidence, he suborned perjury.

No big deal, fascist democrats are above the laws enforced against little people....

 

[digger]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

Or why the hell you're talking about it now.

Are you trying to create some sort of equivalency between Clinton and West? That if I think West sucks for torturing someone, I have to think Clinton sucks for lying to Congress?

Well I already said that Clinton sucks for lying to Congress. Now get over it. It was 10 years ago. It was some bullshit that didn't matter. And it doesn't compare to torture.

Seriously, torture. Don't you get it? Torture! We are the superpower of the world. Others follow our example. Losing the moral high ground on torture sucks. For five years we were a country that openly tortures people. When people get caught, they get charged with assault and slapped on the wrist. That doesn't bother you?

 

[pinqy]

I was implying an Article 15 equates to a misdemeanor.

No, you stated that an Article 15 IS a midemeanor. You did not imply, you stated. You did not equate, you said it was.

And you're still wrong. A misdemeanor is a CATEGORY of offense. An Article 15 is a proceeding. The same offense, for example assault, could be handled either through Article 15 or court martial. Generally speaking, the types of offenses handled under Article 15 would be misdemeanor offenses, or not crimes at all, under civilian jurisdiction, but it's a meaningless distinction when it comes to UCMJ. Generally, Article 15's are used when, the case would too hard to prove in a Court Martial, when speed in resolution is desired, or when a court martial is considered overkill, and there are many offenses, especially assault, that can easily be either court martial or article 15 depending on the CO's judgement.

I note you failed to state where I confused court martial with article 15 or showed I didn't know the difference.

Thanks for confirming what I posted earlier, Gomer, that an Article 15 equals a misdemeanor. You may resume drooling on yourself now.

You really can't read well, can you? Or maybe it's just the comprehension. I think the real problem is that you don't actually know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony and a UCMJ offense, which are 3 seperate things.

You can be court-martialed for what would be a misdemeanor, and you can receive an Article 15 for what would be a felony. Learn what the word "generally" means.

 

[Sunni Man]

The day you've been there is the day you can question a man's action like Mr West's until than you're nothing more the air blowing in a breeze.

Negative on that.

Once he lets it be known that he is going to run for the president of the United States is life is an open book.

And every action that he took is open to be examined and question.

Quite unlike Messiah Obama ....right?

I know it's hard but try to focus

The thread is about Alan West not Obama.

 

[slukasiewski]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

Or why the hell you're talking about it now.

Are you trying to create some sort of equivalency between Clinton and West? That if I think West sucks for torturing someone, I have to think Clinton sucks for lying to Congress?

Well I already said that Clinton sucks for lying to Congress. Now get over it. It was 10 years ago. It was some bullshit that didn't matter. And it doesn't compare to torture.

Seriously, torture. Don't you get it? Torture! We are the superpower of the world. Others follow our example. Losing the moral high ground on torture sucks. For five years we were a country that openly tortures people. When people get caught, they get charged with assault and slapped on the wrist. That doesn't bother you?

His sex life? Hell yes - let's discuss it. He porks an intern - while married - and while on duty - in the Oval Orifice - being paid by the ******* taxpayer to do the damned job he was elected to do - and wasn't doing - because he was being sucked off by an intern.

Yeah - his "Sex Life" is the business of the U.S. taxpayer.

You don't pay taxes?

You're Liberal - probably not.

 

[slukasiewski]

No, you stated that an Article 15 IS a midemeanor. You did not imply, you stated. You did not equate, you said it was.

And you're still wrong. A misdemeanor is a CATEGORY of offense. An Article 15 is a proceeding. The same offense, for example assault, could be handled either through Article 15 or court martial. Generally speaking, the types of offenses handled under Article 15 would be misdemeanor offenses, or not crimes at all, under civilian jurisdiction, but it's a meaningless distinction when it comes to UCMJ. Generally, Article 15's are used when, the case would too hard to prove in a Court Martial, when speed in resolution is desired, or when a court martial is considered overkill, and there are many offenses, especially assault, that can easily be either court martial or article 15 depending on the CO's judgement.

I note you failed to state where I confused court martial with article 15 or showed I didn't know the difference.

Thanks for confirming what I posted earlier, Gomer, that an Article 15 equals a misdemeanor. You may resume drooling on yourself now.

You really can't read well, can you? Or maybe it's just the comprehension. I think the real problem is that you don't actually know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony and a UCMJ offense, which are 3 seperate things.

You can be court-martialed for what would be a misdemeanor, and you can receive an Article 15 for what would be a felony. Learn what the word "generally" means.

Shut up stupid. Quit attempting to make a point over-and-over again with your braindead rants. You're not a lawyer - you were too dumb to even gain acceptance into Community College. So STFU stupid. You're talking points are irrelevant.

 

[Liberty]

so much left wing racism in this thread.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

It's called "sexual harassment," dumbfuck.

 

[digger]

His sex life? Hell yes - let's discuss it. He porks an intern - while married - and while on duty - in the Oval Orifice - being paid by the ******* taxpayer to do the damned job he was elected to do - and wasn't doing - because he was being sucked off by an intern.

Yeah - his "Sex Life" is the business of the U.S. taxpayer.

You don't pay taxes?

You're Liberal - probably not.

Yeah. If he hadn't been working at the time, I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all.

Hey, what's the topic of this thread again? Oh yeah, you're running a tutorial on how to weasels out of discussing something that challenges your worldview.

And what did I say that makes you think I'm a liberal? Or is that just because I disagreed with you about something?

I love this whole "liberals don't pay taxes" thing that I hear from some people. It shows such a complete willingness to speak boldly with zero knowledge to back it up. Since the shoe is on the other foot on that charge.

 

[pinqy]

You didn't answer the question of why the hell Congress was asking him about his sex life in the first place.

Paula Jones sued President Clinton for sexual harrassment. As part of the investigation, several people, including Monica Lewinsky, were deposed. Naturally there were questions about Clinton's possible sexual relations with other subordinates...that's expected in a harrassment case. Lewinsky lied in sworn affidavit and so did Clinton in his deposition to the Grand Jury. So Clinton didn't "lie to Congress," he lied to a Grand Jury, which is perjury, so he was impeached on charges of obstruction of Justic and Perjury.

 

[pinqy]

Thanks for confirming what I posted earlier, Gomer, that an Article 15 equals a misdemeanor. You may resume drooling on yourself now.

You really can't read well, can you? Or maybe it's just the comprehension. I think the real problem is that you don't actually know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony and a UCMJ offense, which are 3 seperate things.

You can be court-martialed for what would be a misdemeanor, and you can receive an Article 15 for what would be a felony. Learn what the word "generally" means.

Shut up stupid. Quit attempting to make a point over-and-over again with your braindead rants. You're not a lawyer - you were too dumb to even gain acceptance into Community College. So STFU stupid. You're talking points are irrelevant.

I note your lack of actual argument. You can't even admit to a simple error. Sad. And actually, you don't know if I'm a lawyer or not, or what my education is. From your writing and argument style, mine seems better.

 

[digger]

All right! There's one page bitching about Clinton. I predict one more page. By that time the facts that people were presenting will be well buried, and you guys can start repeating your lies to defend West all over again. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before, that you might just be ignorant. But when someone offers you truth and you refuse it, but continue to spout untruth, that is lying.