Zone1 Allegory man, this thread is for you!!

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Constantine did it. He was EMPEROR of Rome can could declare people
GAWD (s) He NEEDED christianity as uniting belief for his EMPIRE

I hear that a lot from Jews and atheists but that conspiracy theory is not supported by evidence or logic. Jesus was worshipped as God immediately after his resurrection. That didn’t begin with Constantine.

 

[irosie91]

I hear that a lot from Jews and atheists but that conspiracy theory is not supported by evidence or logic.

where do you see "conspiracy" In the Roman mind such a declaration made sense. Rome
is still doing it------the College of Cardinals can make a person a SAINT----promote him to
heaven and people can communicate with him thru prayer. I have known people who, when
they LOSE something, PRAY TO SAINT ANTHONY----and always find it. Doesn't work for me.
To what evidence do you refer?

 

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Its about what it means and one of the messages is humans need to create a life with meaning that we define ourself

I fixed it for you because it just can’t be anything. It must be virtuous.

 

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where do you see "conspiracy" In the Roman mind such a declaration made sense. Rome
is still doing it------the College of Cardinals can make a person a SAINT----promote him to
heaven and people can communicate with him thru prayer. I have known people who, when
they LOSE something, PRAY TO SAINT ANTHONY----and always find it. Doesn't work for me.
To what evidence do you refer?

I see conspiracy theory in your mind; your argument against Christianity.

You want to skip right over when the church began and why it began. According to your logic, Jesus lived, Jesus died and then 300 years later Rome decided that Jesus should be worshipped as God. That makes no sense and it does not align with the historical facts of the early church which began immediately after the resurrection of Christ.

 

[irosie91]

I see conspiracy theory in your mind; your argument against Christianity.

You want to skip right over when the church began and why it began. According to your logic, Jesus lived, Jesus died and then 300 years later Rome decided that Jesus should be worshipped as God. That makes no sense and it does not align with the historical facts of the early church which began immediately after the resurrection of Christ.

I absolutely believe that a cult developed around Jesus as "THE MESSIAH" who ushers in
a kind of golden age for his followers. The issue as to when he became GAWD-----is just
too ROMAN. The Messiah is not gawd in any sense in any of the older writings----to wit
the OT and talmud and even midrash which is more magical than the others. Constantine
made his mama a goddess-----I have no doubt that he had ambitions of his own

 

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I absolutely believe that a cult developed around Jesus as "THE MESSIAH" who ushers in
a kind of golden age for his followers. The issue as to when he became GAWD-----is just
too ROMAN. The Messiah is not gawd in any sense in any of the older writings----to wit
the OT and talmud and even midrash which is more magical than the others. Constantine
made his mama a goddess-----I have no doubt that he had ambitions of his own

No. The belief that Jesus is God began immediately after he rose from the dead.

 

[BreezeWood]

and it does not align with the historical facts of the early church which began immediately after the resurrection of Christ.

you've not answered why the romans did not rearrest the itinerant as the authorities and the jews would have demanded or mentions by the jewish community such an occurrence and their regrets being who had them executed and surly would be forgiven ... the latter being the proof they indeed died on the cross.

 

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you've not answered why the romans did not rearrest the itinerant as the authorities and the jews would have demanded or mentions by the jewish community such an occurrence and their regrets being who had them executed and surly would be forgiven ... the latter being the proof they indeed died on the cross.

I have no idea what you are asking. If you are asking why the apostles weren’t arrested for preaching the good news after the resurrection of Christ, they were.

According to the book of Acts, the apostles were arrested multiple times for preaching the Good News. The Jewish authorities considered their message, particularly the resurrection of Jesus, to be a threat to their authority and the religious status quo.

 

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No God gave Adam a chance to reject Him but Adam passed the test. The whole point is mans autonomy thats why its called the trial for mans freedom. Christians dont understand it and call it the fall of man

How did God give Adam a chance to reject God and how did Adam pass the test?

 

[BreezeWood]

I have no idea what you are asking.

ok, second time may be a charm to your mystical barrier ...

you've not answered why the romans did not rearrest the itinerant as the authorities and the jews would have demanded or mentions by the jewish community such an occurrence and their regrets being who had them executed and surly would be forgiven ... the latter being the proof they indeed died on the cross.

why was a statue of their likeness not carved to enshrine the event. even in texas someone would have thought to do something physical and timely to immortalize the occasion for all times in the future.

- had it occurred and not as gossip or figments of imagination.

 

[HaShev]

Here’s the historical evidence from non-Christian sources that Jesus lived and died

A wealth of written evidence exists to prove Christianity is not based on a fairy tale.

aleteia.org

I'm not reading links, you have to defend your position with your own synopsis, because I already know there is zero historical references to Jesus in his supposed time period, a name that only belonged to a woman in around 90ad. When you finally tell us an actual historical christ by his actual historical Jewish name, then we can discuss historical references not combined compiled fictional characters.
But you refuse to declare a real Jewish name because you are affraid that won't be a historical Jesus in the era your church has been claiming with characters who prove it's fiction not history because people like Lysanias the Tetrarch and Pilate never lived in their era. -oops!
Youvyourself used refwrence tova 100bc character to sell an AD era Pilate character as historical, therefore you show how confused everyone is by Rome using real combination of characters to create it's fictional mythical one. Hence later centuries so called historians only referencing those errors and deceptions andcstill using the image's name notvthe historical Jewish name which a real character would be referred to.
Do you see Texas newspapers/historians calling Jose Conseco by the name Joe?
Do historians call Illhan Omar Lilly?
Is Zohran Mamdani referenced by historians as Zoey?
Think, don't be so disingenuous.

 

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ok, second time may be a charm to your mystical barrier ...



why was a statue of their likeness not carved to enshrine the event. even in texas someone would have thought to do something physical and timely to immortalize the occasion for all times in the future.

- had it occurred and not as gossip or figments of imagination.

You are talking nonsense.

 

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I'm not reading links, you have to defend your position with your own synopsis, because I already know there is zero historical references to Jesus in his supposed time period, a name that only belonged to a woman in around 90ad. When you finally tell us an actual historical christ by his actual historical Jewish name, then we can discuss historical references not combined compiled fictional characters.
But you refuse to declare a real Jewish name because you are affraid that won't be a historical Jesus in the era your church has been claiming with characters who prove it's fiction not history because people like Lysanias the Tetrarch and Pilate never lived in their era. -oops!
Youvyourself used refwrence tova 100bc character to sell an AD era Pilate character as historical, therefore you show how confused everyone is by Rome using real combination of characters to create it's fictional mythical one. Hence later centuries so called historians only referencing those errors and deceptions andcstill using the image's name notvthe historical Jewish name which a real character would be referred to.
Do you see Texas newspapers/historians calling Jose Conseco by the name Joe?
Do historians call Illhan Omar Lilly?
Is Zohran Mamdani referenced by historians as Zoey?
Think, don't be so disingenuous.

You lose.

 

[fncceo]

This thread is only about the Bible.

Focus!!

Is it the only collection of myths ever written?

 

[HaShev]

You lose.

Sure whatever say, remember you could not even name your christ with his historical birth name, and you probably have many examples in your life where uou prove you don't believe your idol heals & defeats death.
Christians with life insurance policies, Christian Hospitals, City Morgues, Jails filled with Cross tattoos and medalions snd earings, Christian cemetaries, Christians dying in wars, Christian homeless shelters, Christian drug rehabs, etc etc.
But hey, Charlie Sheen says you are "winning"!

 

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Sure whatever say, remember you could not even name your christ with his historical birth name, and you probably have many examples in your life where uou prove you don't believe your idol heals & defeats death.
Christians with life insurance policies, Christian Hospitals, City Morgues, Jails filled with Cross tattoos and medalions snd earings, Christian cemetaries, Christians dying in wars, Christian homeless shelters, Christian drug rehabs, etc etc.
But hey, Charlie Sheen says you are "winning"!
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You lose.

 

[HaShev]

You lose.

that's a double negative, like Dems calling Republicans totalitarian, or when Saddam called the U.S. the great Satan=Compliment. Thanks for the Compliment!
Before and After he found Jesus,
Gary Busey Pics:

 

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that's a double negative, like Dems calling Republicans totalitarian, or when Saddam called the U.S. the great Satan=Compliment. Thanks for the Compliment!
Before and After he found Jesus,
Gary Busey Pics:
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You make Jews look bad.

 

[HaShev]

You make Jews look bad.

no Schumer and Schiff and Sanders do.
You make us sound like Geniuses.
So thank you!

 

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no Schumer and Schiff and Sanders do.
You make us sound like Geniuses.
So thank you!

Keep evangelizing Judaism by attacking Christianity. I’m happy to give you rope to hang yourself.