After 18 years of lies about the wars in the Middle East

[CWayne]

The US military should never rebuild what they bomb and should never be involved in regime change

Absolutely!

The mission of the military should be kill and destroy with extreme predjudice.

Then go home and get some.

 

[Mr Natural]

The word "Hiroshima" should be a verb as in "Knock that shit off, or we'll Hiroshima your ass!"

 

[harmonica]

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

The mission was also to destroy and degrade al Quaeda's ability to train.

We should have just broken everything and then left.

.....that' a very difficult mission---regarding long term results ..but, as we 've tried to train friendlies, seems like we made it more difficult for the terrorists to roam free

do we not learn anything from past experience.
Google "Vietnamization" did not work then will not work in Afghanistan either

..I know that----I don't know how the heck you got Vietnamization from my posts
..I don't have to google anything--I've been reading and researching wars/etc for over 40 years
..here's one of my threads:
Vietnam War was unwinnable

but, as we 've tried to train friendlies

wrong----does not say anything about training them to take over and defend their country = it says to make it difficult for the terrorists = we can't accomplish Afghanistanization huge difference
....Vietnamization included main force military troops --not just anti-terror ...my post specifically states TERRORRISTS

 

[harmonica]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

The mission was also to destroy and degrade al Quaeda's ability to train.

We should have just broken everything and then left.

.....that' a very difficult mission---regarding long term results ..but, as we 've tried to train friendlies, seems like we made it more difficult for the terrorists to roam free

yes, which is why it should have taken a year, maybe two.

This nonsense about winning hearts and minds is just a distraction for political purposes.

We will never win their hearts and minds. Not before 9/11, not now. No sense in even trying.

Degrade the enemy's ability to train and harm us.

Go home.


That is all the mission we need.

Make sure that they understand that should we be required to return, we'll visit 1,000 times more death and destruction on them.

The US military should never rebuild what they bomb and should never be involved in regime change

they changed the whole politics of Germany and Japan

 

[harmonica]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

The mission was also to destroy and degrade al Quaeda's ability to train.

We should have just broken everything and then left.

.....that' a very difficult mission---regarding long term results ..but, as we 've tried to train friendlies, seems like we made it more difficult for the terrorists to roam free

yes, which is why it should have taken a year, maybe two.

This nonsense about winning hearts and minds is just a distraction for political purposes.

We will never win their hearts and minds. Not before 9/11, not now. No sense in even trying.

Degrade the enemy's ability to train and harm us.

Go home.


That is all the mission we need.

Make sure that they understand that should we be required to return, we'll visit 1,000 times more death and destruction on them.

....death and destruction mean nothing to 3rd world countries ...we are not going to bomb their cities/etc for nothing .....we bombed Vietnam many times more than we did Japan or Germany combined, and we still lost

 

[Mr Natural]

....death and destruction means nothing to 3rd world countries ...we are not going to bomb their cities/etc for nothing .....we bombed Vietnam many times more than we did Japan or Germany combined, and we still lost

That's because we didn't bomb the right stuff. If downtown Hanoi had reduced to rubble like Dresden or Hiroshima, chance are pretty good the outcome of that fiasco would have been different.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Report: Trump held private, enlisted-only Afghanistan war meetings – 'No generals or officers, only enlisted guys that have been there’

 

[harmonica]

....death and destruction means nothing to 3rd world countries ...we are not going to bomb their cities/etc for nothing .....we bombed Vietnam many times more than we did Japan or Germany combined, and we still lost

That's because we didn't bomb the right stuff. If downtown Hanoi had reduced to rubble like Dresden or Hiroshima, chance are pretty good the outcome of that fiasco would have been different.

..wrong---we bombed the crap out of Germany and they didn't surrender until the Russians were in Berlin--and Vietnam was a lot less industrious than Germany
[ we destroyed Hamburg in 1943!! ..the war went on for 2 more years ] = they were no closer to surrendering
...we destroyed most of Japan's major cities and they didn't surrender until the Abombs--and even THEN, the vote was tied to surrender or not--and some Japanese STILL tried to stop the surrrender
here are all the links and evidence:
Vietnam War was unwinnable

 

[Desperado]

Report: Trump held private, enlisted-only Afghanistan war meetings – 'No generals or officers, only enlisted guys that have been there’

Sounds like Trump was looking for the truth. Cutting through all the bs of the generals and officers

 

[harmonica]

Tokyo burned--100,000 deaths-- no surrender
Bombing of Tokyo - Wikipedia

 

[pknopp]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

 

[pknopp]

who wants to die for Donald fucking Trump?

Trump has been in office 3 years, the fucking war has been going on for 18 years now! How are you blaming this on Trump

Why not, the republicans blamed it on Obama.

Just waiting for clowns like you to blame Trump for Vietnam or Korea

I don't blame Trump for the Afghanistan fiasco any more than I blamed Obama.

That mess goes back to Bush and Co. with that douchebag Cheney leading the charge.

It is both of their faults that we are still there though.

 

[Manonthestreet]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

 

[pknopp]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

 

[Manonthestreet]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

No because they didnt want to piss them off and then ya might have had a real shooting war

 

[pknopp]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

No because they didnt want to piss them off and then ya might have had a real shooting war

The soldiers that were killed in Afghanistan didn't really get killed?

They allowed us in to get him many years later.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

No because they didnt want to piss them off and then ya might have had a real shooting war

The soldiers that were killed in Afghanistan didn't really get killed?

They allowed us in to get him many years later.

Which of course I didnt say.....real as in larger and more dead

 

[pknopp]

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

No because they didnt want to piss them off and then ya might have had a real shooting war

The soldiers that were killed in Afghanistan didn't really get killed?

They allowed us in to get him many years later.

Which of course I didnt say.....real as in larger and more dead

They let us come in after him. They did nothing.

 

[harmonica]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

hahhahahaha
we wanted him and his gang....they still had jackasses in Afghanistan

 

[pknopp]

....anyone with military/historical knowledge KNEW and knows you can't ''win'' wars like that ......they knew/know it is ''unwinnable'' like Vietnam...but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to take out the bad guys--which we did--mission accomplished

....what was the MISSION of going into Afghanistan?

..these are not wars like WW2 or Korea..most wars are not Total

Wahsington Post AND the Daily Mail????!!!!?? = hahahhahahahahhahahahah
this is typical MSM bullshit

Mission was get Bin Laden...…

He was gone from Afghanistan in a few days. We knew he was no longer there. 18 years later we are still there. It was never about getting OBL.

Was there longer than few days and yes it was the Genesis

He was quickly gone to Pakistan. If it had been about getting OBL we would have went after him. It never was.

hahhahahaha
we wanted him and his gang....they still had jackasses in Afghanistan

They are called Generals.