Top former US generals say failures of Biden administration in planning drove chaotic fall of Kabul

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As was said when this happened by ne ans others.

Now, even Gen. Milley decides it is time to excoriate the Commander in Chump Joe Biden over this disinter Biden and his team wrought.

And of course, Biden blamed Trump for his [Biden's] failures.


The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.

The rare testimony by the two retired generals publicly exposed for the first time the strain and differences the military leaders had with the Biden administration in the final days of the war. Two of those key differences included that the military had advised that the U.S. keep at least 2,500 service members in Afghanistan to maintain stability and a concern that the State Department was not moving fast enough to get an evacuation started.

The remarks contrasted with an internal White House review of the administration’s decisions which found that President Joe Biden’s decisions had been “severely constrained” by previous withdrawal agreements negotiated by former President Donald Trump and blamed the military, saying top commanders said they had enough resources to handle the evacuation.

Thirteen U.S. service members were killed by a suicide bomber at the Kabul airport's Abbey Gate in the final days of the war, as the Taliban took over Afghanistan.

Thousands of panicked Afghans and U.S. citizens desperately tried to get on U.S. military flights that were airlifting people out. In the end the military was able to rescue more than 130,000 civilians before the final U.S. military aircraft departed.

That chaos was the end result of the State Department failing to call for an evacuation of U.S. personnel until it was too late, both former Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command retired Gen. Frank McKenzie told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

“On 14 August the non-combatant evacuation operation decision was made by the Department of State and the U.S. military alerted, marshalled, mobilized and rapidly deployed faster than any military in the world could ever do,” Milley said.

But the State Department's decision came too late, Milley said.

...

Evacuation orders must come from the State Department, but in the weeks and months before Kabul fell to the Taliban, the Pentagon was pressing the State Department for evacuation plans, and was concerned that State was not ready, McKenzie said.

“We had forces in the region as early as 9 July, but we could do nothing," McKenzie said, calling State’s timing “the fatal flaw that created what happened in August.”

“I believe the events of mid and late August 2021 were the direct result of delaying the initiation of the (evacuation) for several months, in fact until we were in extremis and the Taliban had overrun the country," McKenzie said.

Milley was the nation's top-ranking military officer at the time, and had urged President Joe Biden to keep a residual force of 2,500 forces there to give Afghanistan's special forces enough back-up to keep the Taliban at bay and allow the U.S. military to hold on to Bagram Air Base, which could have provided the military additional options to respond to Taliban attacks.

Biden did not approve the larger residual force, opting to keep a smaller force of 650 that would be limited to securing the U.S. embassy. That smaller force was not adequate to keeping Bagram, which was quickly taken over by the Taliban.

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Will never forget the poor guy running to the U.S military plane and actually grabbing onto it, eventually falling to his death.

He had probably been a man who had helped the Americans and the Taliban would have caused him horrible pain and death. He decided to risk it all by holding on for dear life and lost his life more quickly.

It's funny how few talk about that anymore as it seemed so long ago. Even the British were VERY angry at that pullout as they were not prepared.
 
Trump started the withdrawal after he lost the election

“Knowing that he had lost and that he had only weeks left in office, President Trump rushed to complete his unfinished business,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.) said. “One key example is this: President Trump issued an order for large-scale troop withdrawals.”


But the two generals seemed unwilling to back either party's theory.

Instead, they said that both politicians had a role in the disastrous withdrawal, as did the administrations that preceded them.



The Doha agreement - a deal former President Donald Trump negotiated with the Taliban that set the terms for the US departure - "pulled the rug out, morale wise" of both the Afghan security forces and government, Mr Milley said.




If Afghanistan president decides its time to go then it time to go

Still is it a surprise that a country collapses after US withdraws its troops..
 
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As was said when this happened by ne ans others.

Now, even Gen. Milley decides it is time to excoriate the Commander in Chump Joe Biden over this disinter Biden and his team wrought.

And of course, Biden blamed Trump for his [Biden's] failures.


The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.
The rare testimony by the two retired generals publicly exposed for the first time the strain and differences the military leaders had with the Biden administration in the final days of the war. Two of those key differences included that the military had advised that the U.S. keep at least 2,500 service members in Afghanistan to maintain stability and a concern that the State Department was not moving fast enough to get an evacuation started.
The remarks contrasted with an internal White House review of the administration’s decisions which found that President Joe Biden’s decisions had been “severely constrained” by previous withdrawal agreements negotiated by former President Donald Trump and blamed the military, saying top commanders said they had enough resources to handle the evacuation.
Thirteen U.S. service members were killed by a suicide bomber at the Kabul airport's Abbey Gate in the final days of the war, as the Taliban took over Afghanistan.
Thousands of panicked Afghans and U.S. citizens desperately tried to get on U.S. military flights that were airlifting people out. In the end the military was able to rescue more than 130,000 civilians before the final U.S. military aircraft departed.
That chaos was the end result of the State Department failing to call for an evacuation of U.S. personnel until it was too late, both former Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command retired Gen. Frank McKenzie told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
“On 14 August the non-combatant evacuation operation decision was made by the Department of State and the U.S. military alerted, marshalled, mobilized and rapidly deployed faster than any military in the world could ever do,” Milley said.
But the State Department's decision came too late, Milley said.
...
Evacuation orders must come from the State Department, but in the weeks and months before Kabul fell to the Taliban, the Pentagon was pressing the State Department for evacuation plans, and was concerned that State was not ready, McKenzie said.
“We had forces in the region as early as 9 July, but we could do nothing," McKenzie said, calling State’s timing “the fatal flaw that created what happened in August.”
“I believe the events of mid and late August 2021 were the direct result of delaying the initiation of the (evacuation) for several months, in fact until we were in extremis and the Taliban had overrun the country," McKenzie said.
Milley was the nation's top-ranking military officer at the time, and had urged President Joe Biden to keep a residual force of 2,500 forces there to give Afghanistan's special forces enough back-up to keep the Taliban at bay and allow the U.S. military to hold on to Bagram Air Base, which could have provided the military additional options to respond to Taliban attacks.
Biden did not approve the larger residual force, opting to keep a smaller force of 650 that would be limited to securing the U.S. embassy. That smaller force was not adequate to keeping Bagram, which was quickly taken over by the Taliban.
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Those same two generals are the reason we were in Kabul for 20 years.

Trump had already surrendered to the Taliban the year before, and agreed to the release of 5000 ISIS and Taliban fighters. The Taliban no longer stuck to that agreement ( imagine that, another bad deal by Trump ), and US troops no longer had any protections. Biden had no choice to pull out as fast as he could.

Good for him. First Obamahad to end one Republicans disaster in Iraq, and then Biden had to finally put an end to a disaster that should have been over 20 years ago.

And now this turd of an OP who calls Biden a warmonger out of one side of his face, is crying about the fall of Kabul out of the other.

Hey OP, if you feel that strongly about it, get on a plane, and take as many magats with you as can, and go take it back from the Taliban, you spineless little fuck.
 
As was said when this happened by ne ans others.

Now, even Gen. Milley decides it is time to excoriate the Commander in Chump Joe Biden over this disinter Biden and his team wrought.

And of course, Biden blamed Trump for his [Biden's] failures.

Trump was the guy who reduced American forces down to 2500 and released 5000 Taliban hardcases.
 
Those same two generals are the reason we were in Kabul for 20 years.

Trump had already surrendered to the Taliban the year before, and agreed to the release of 5000 ISIS and Taliban fighters. The Taliban no longer stuck to that agreement ( imagine that, another bad deal by Trump ), and US troops no longer had any protections. Biden had no choice to pull out as fast as he could.

Good for him. First Obamahad to end one Republicans disaster in Iraq, and then Biden had to finally put an end to a disaster that should have been over 20 years ago.

And now this turd of an OP who calls Biden a warmonger out of one side of his face, is crying about the fall of Kabul out of the other.

Hey OP, if you feel that strongly about it, get on a plane, and take as many magats with you as can, and go take it back from the Taliban, you spineless little fuck.


Joe Biden fucked up. He got Americans killed' Americans still left behind.

That's your boy, Zombie Joe Biden.
 
As was said when this happened by ne ans others.

Now, even Gen. Milley decides it is time to excoriate the Commander in Chump Joe Biden over this disinter Biden and his team wrought.

And of course, Biden blamed Trump for his [Biden's] failures.


The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.
The rare testimony by the two retired generals publicly exposed for the first time the strain and differences the military leaders had with the Biden administration in the final days of the war. Two of those key differences included that the military had advised that the U.S. keep at least 2,500 service members in Afghanistan to maintain stability and a concern that the State Department was not moving fast enough to get an evacuation started.
The remarks contrasted with an internal White House review of the administration’s decisions which found that President Joe Biden’s decisions had been “severely constrained” by previous withdrawal agreements negotiated by former President Donald Trump and blamed the military, saying top commanders said they had enough resources to handle the evacuation.
Thirteen U.S. service members were killed by a suicide bomber at the Kabul airport's Abbey Gate in the final days of the war, as the Taliban took over Afghanistan.
Thousands of panicked Afghans and U.S. citizens desperately tried to get on U.S. military flights that were airlifting people out. In the end the military was able to rescue more than 130,000 civilians before the final U.S. military aircraft departed.
That chaos was the end result of the State Department failing to call for an evacuation of U.S. personnel until it was too late, both former Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command retired Gen. Frank McKenzie told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
“On 14 August the non-combatant evacuation operation decision was made by the Department of State and the U.S. military alerted, marshalled, mobilized and rapidly deployed faster than any military in the world could ever do,” Milley said.
But the State Department's decision came too late, Milley said.
...
Evacuation orders must come from the State Department, but in the weeks and months before Kabul fell to the Taliban, the Pentagon was pressing the State Department for evacuation plans, and was concerned that State was not ready, McKenzie said.
“We had forces in the region as early as 9 July, but we could do nothing," McKenzie said, calling State’s timing “the fatal flaw that created what happened in August.”
“I believe the events of mid and late August 2021 were the direct result of delaying the initiation of the (evacuation) for several months, in fact until we were in extremis and the Taliban had overrun the country," McKenzie said.
Milley was the nation's top-ranking military officer at the time, and had urged President Joe Biden to keep a residual force of 2,500 forces there to give Afghanistan's special forces enough back-up to keep the Taliban at bay and allow the U.S. military to hold on to Bagram Air Base, which could have provided the military additional options to respond to Taliban attacks.
Biden did not approve the larger residual force, opting to keep a smaller force of 650 that would be limited to securing the U.S. embassy. That smaller force was not adequate to keeping Bagram, which was quickly taken over by the Taliban.
...


Yep, you me and others stated all of this when it blew up and we lost 13 Marines and stranded thousands of Americans and Afghan supporters. Biden ignored his military staff and demanded the evacuation happen before Sept 11th ALL FOR SYMBOLISM. But the idiot Trump haters squealed that "Biden's hands were tied with Trump's agreements". FFS what Trump policies and agreements haven't the DEMs ignored?
 
Yep, you me and others stated all of this when it blew up and we lost 13 Marines and stranded thousands of Americans and Afghan supporters. Biden ignored his military staff and demanded the evacuation happen before Sept 11th ALL FOR SYMBOLISM. But the idiot Trump haters squealed that "Biden's hands were tied with Trump's agreements". FFS what Trump policies and agreements haven't the DEMs ignored?

Actually, quite a lot of things Trump did we can't undo. We can't undo his stupid tax giveaways to the rich. We cant get rid of his useless "Space Force". We can't get rid of all the trolls he put on the courts.

The Doha Agreement, though, pretty much baked the fall of the Afghan government into the pie. I guess Biden could have said, "Nope, I'm surging troops again!" but there was no will to do that.
 
As was said when this happened by ne ans others.

Now, even Gen. Milley decides it is time to excoriate the Commander in Chump Joe Biden over this disinter Biden and his team wrought.

And of course, Biden blamed Trump for his [Biden's] failures.


The top two U.S. generals who oversaw the evacuation of Afghanistan as it fell to the Taliban in August 2021 blamed the Biden administration for the chaotic departure, telling lawmakers Tuesday that it inadequately planned for the evacuation and did not order it in time.
The rare testimony by the two retired generals publicly exposed for the first time the strain and differences the military leaders had with the Biden administration in the final days of the war. Two of those key differences included that the military had advised that the U.S. keep at least 2,500 service members in Afghanistan to maintain stability and a concern that the State Department was not moving fast enough to get an evacuation started.
The remarks contrasted with an internal White House review of the administration’s decisions which found that President Joe Biden’s decisions had been “severely constrained” by previous withdrawal agreements negotiated by former President Donald Trump and blamed the military, saying top commanders said they had enough resources to handle the evacuation.
Thirteen U.S. service members were killed by a suicide bomber at the Kabul airport's Abbey Gate in the final days of the war, as the Taliban took over Afghanistan.
Thousands of panicked Afghans and U.S. citizens desperately tried to get on U.S. military flights that were airlifting people out. In the end the military was able to rescue more than 130,000 civilians before the final U.S. military aircraft departed.
That chaos was the end result of the State Department failing to call for an evacuation of U.S. personnel until it was too late, both former Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley and U.S. Central Command retired Gen. Frank McKenzie told the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
“On 14 August the non-combatant evacuation operation decision was made by the Department of State and the U.S. military alerted, marshalled, mobilized and rapidly deployed faster than any military in the world could ever do,” Milley said.
But the State Department's decision came too late, Milley said.
...
Evacuation orders must come from the State Department, but in the weeks and months before Kabul fell to the Taliban, the Pentagon was pressing the State Department for evacuation plans, and was concerned that State was not ready, McKenzie said.
“We had forces in the region as early as 9 July, but we could do nothing," McKenzie said, calling State’s timing “the fatal flaw that created what happened in August.”
“I believe the events of mid and late August 2021 were the direct result of delaying the initiation of the (evacuation) for several months, in fact until we were in extremis and the Taliban had overrun the country," McKenzie said.
Milley was the nation's top-ranking military officer at the time, and had urged President Joe Biden to keep a residual force of 2,500 forces there to give Afghanistan's special forces enough back-up to keep the Taliban at bay and allow the U.S. military to hold on to Bagram Air Base, which could have provided the military additional options to respond to Taliban attacks.
Biden did not approve the larger residual force, opting to keep a smaller force of 650 that would be limited to securing the U.S. embassy. That smaller force was not adequate to keeping Bagram, which was quickly taken over by the Taliban.
...


Anyone with an IQ above sea level knew this which of course does not include the board left wingers.
 
No, they are saying Mr. Trump reducing the force to 2,500 soldiers and releasing 5,000 Taliban fighters were the cause. Almost 2,300 American soldiers died in the twenty year long was; 13 on Biden's watch.
 

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