African Americans treated much better than Native Americans. Why?

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I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.
 

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Native americans are, for the most part, their own nation, inside the US.
African americans have integrated and are americans.

It has to do with visibility in the community. Natives are not widely seen by most of the population. the invisible and forgotten, outside of the casino resorts and a few tourist areas.
 

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First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.
 
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Native americans are, for the most part, their own nation, inside the US.
African americans have integrated and are americans.

It has to do with visibility in the community. Natives are not widely seen by most of the population. the invisible and forgotten, outside of the casino resorts and a few tourist areas.
sounds just like the way australians think of Aborigines. Out of sight out of mind.
 

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Native americans are, for the most part, their own nation, inside the US.
African americans have integrated and are americans.

It has to do with visibility in the community. Natives are not widely seen by most of the population. the invisible and forgotten, outside of the casino resorts and a few tourist areas.
sounds just like the way australians think of Aborigines. Out of sight out of mind.
sadly, for the most part.
 
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First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.
Name five famous Native americans without the use of google? and not chiefs. they are treated like wild animals. blacks are treated like victims who need help.
 

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About 900(full blooded)of my people are left. People are to selfish to care.
 

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Native americans are, for the most part, their own nation, inside the US.
African americans have integrated and are americans.

It has to do with visibility in the community. Natives are not widely seen by most of the population. the invisible and forgotten, outside of the casino resorts and a few tourist areas.
This.

Also in the Constitution, blacks were treated as 3/5 of a person for state representation, Natives not counted at all.

But it's not only in the US. I saw a documentary about some place in South America, same social ladder.
 
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Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.
 
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About 900(full blooded)of my people are left. People are to selfish to care.
None of my people are full blooded anymore. Maori of nz are extinct. the world has many programmes to save animals from going extinct but when its comes to native people and culture no one cares.
 

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Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.

history proves nations come and go
 
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Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.
Fair enough, therefore in your world the strong should take from the weak, the rich from the poor and anyone who tries to stop them killed. I think Hitler had the same ideology. hope you go to the gym and have lots of guns. karma's a bitch.
 
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Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.
Fair enough, so in your world the strong should take from the weak the rich from the poor and anyone who tries to stop them killed? I think Hitler had an ideology like that. I hope you are rich, go to the gym and have lots of guns, karma's a bitch.
 

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First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.
Name five famous Native americans without the use of google? and not chiefs. they are treated like wild animals. blacks are treated like victims who need help.
I am sorry- you are an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about the United States but what you have seen on TV.

I have traveled clear across the United States- and have been on numerous reservations. I have known native Americans- and there is no generalization that fits all. They are not treated like 'wild animals'- native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

That doesn't mean that they in general are doing well- but native American communities have more control over their own affairs now than they had for over 100 years. The issues that they do have are left over from history- alcoholism, unemployment, hopelessness, reservations on generally mediocre land with limited resources.

Famous?

Every American knows of Jim Thorpe. (don't know who he is? Look him up)
Most should know of Ben Campbell- a native American Senator.
Graham Greene might be the most famous native American actor.
Russel Means was a native American activist- fighting for native rights.
Ishi- the last survivor of a tribe in Northern California wiped out by Americans, who was found and given a home at the University of Berkeley.
 

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About 900(full blooded)of my people are left. People are to selfish to care.
None of my people are full blooded anymore. Maori of nz are extinct. the world has many programmes to save animals from going extinct but when its comes to native people and culture no one cares.
You really don't read much do you.
 

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Because blacks are so murderously violent, cowardly liberals are terrified of their public temper tantrums whenever this race of chip-on-shoulder crybabies can't get exactly what they want. You Kiwis really need to live in a country with 40 million black savages to truly understand how hateful, stupid and rotten-to-the-core this anthropological failure of a race really is.
 

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Because blacks are so murderously violent, cowardly liberals are terrified of their public temper tantrums whenever this race of chip-on-shoulder crybabies can't get exactly what they want. You Kiwis really need to live in a country with 40 million black savages to truly understand how hateful, stupid and rotten-to-the-core this anthropological failure of a race really is.
Have you cast your vote for Trump yet?
 

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First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.
Name five famous Native americans without the use of google? and not chiefs. they are treated like wild animals. blacks are treated like victims who need help.
I am sorry- you are an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about the United States but what you have seen on TV.

I have traveled clear across the United States- and have been on numerous reservations. I have known native Americans- and there is no generalization that fits all. They are not treated like 'wild animals'- native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

That doesn't mean that they in general are doing well- but native American communities have more control over their own affairs now than they had for over 100 years. The issues that they do have are left over from history- alcoholism, unemployment, hopelessness, reservations on generally mediocre land with limited resources.

Famous?

Every American knows of Jim Thorpe. (don't know who he is? Look him up)
Most should know of Ben Campbell- a native American Senator.
Graham Greene might be the most famous native American actor.
Russel Means was a native American activist- fighting for native rights.
Ishi- the last survivor of a tribe in Northern California wiped out by Americans, who was found and given a home at the University of Berkeley.
Wes Studi
Maria Tallchief
Johnny Depp
Joseph Medicine Crow
 
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Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.
Fair enough, so in your world the strong should take from the weak the rich from the poor and anyone who tries to stop them killed? I think Hitler had an ideology like that. I hope you are rich, go to the gym and have lots of guns, karma's a bitch.
I think you're missing the point. The strong taking from the weak is all of human history and the Native Americans are no exception. In fact, far from being peace loving, the Indian tribes still around today were the more vicious ones and wiped others completely out of existence to achieve primacy. The Mexica tribes and the Hawaiian and Pacific Island tribes practiced canibalism and human sacrifice, weakening themselves by reducing their numbers and becoming vulnerable for takeover.

Hawaii is now a paradise. Mainland Indians live in peace with each other and our art and philosophy thrive and are respected. I can say with all sincerity that I wouldn't want to live in my tribe if the white man had never touched this continent. I would have died in some pointless territorial dispute many years ago. What happened to us is not so terrible an injustice as you argue and in the end, we're better for it.
 
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I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.
Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.
 

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