African Americans treated much better than Native Americans. Why?

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.

Name five famous Native americans without the use of google? and not chiefs. they are treated like wild animals. blacks are treated like victims who need help.

I am sorry- you are an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about the United States but what you have seen on TV.

I have traveled clear across the United States- and have been on numerous reservations. I have known native Americans- and there is no generalization that fits all. They are not treated like 'wild animals'- native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

That doesn't mean that they in general are doing well- but native American communities have more control over their own affairs now than they had for over 100 years. The issues that they do have are left over from history- alcoholism, unemployment, hopelessness, reservations on generally mediocre land with limited resources.

Famous?

Every American knows of Jim Thorpe. (don't know who he is? Look him up)
Most should know of Ben Campbell- a native American Senator.
Graham Greene might be the most famous native American actor.
Russel Means was a native American activist- fighting for native rights.
Ishi- the last survivor of a tribe in Northern California wiped out by Americans, who was found and given a home at the University of Berkeley.

I have a lot of respect for this post. I live in two worlds, I live amongst mostly white people in Western Idaho but my family lives mostly in Montana on a reservation on the Canadian border. I visit about twice a year and the contrast is heartbreaking. It's getting better, I'm happy to say, but there are still many of my people mired in hopelessness. My path to prosperity lied in leaving the reservation as a child and being raised here in Idaho, but that's changing.

What's changed? Our housing is better, our land is cleaned up more, crime is down, and opportunities for employment through preferred contracts is giving us more choices. I hope you continue to meet with our people across the nation and dispel the many myths believed about us.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

 

[Syriusly]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

 

[dannyboys]

Pity us not. Before the white Europeans came, we were forcefully taking land from each other. White liberals like to believe myths like, "Native Americans believed that the land belongs to everyone equally."

Bull. Shit.

Land only belonged to those strong enough to defend it from being taken. Then along came stronger, more advanced savages that took land from us.

Fast forward to today, I have no more right to land because of my racial heritage than anyone else because of theirs. Nobody has been cheated out of anything TODAY. You don't own shit unless you're willing to work for it like anyone else.

Fair enough, therefore in your world the strong should take from the weak, the rich from the poor and anyone who tries to stop them killed. I think Hitler had the same ideology. hope you go to the gym and have lots of guns. karma's a bitch.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

For 13% of the population, black Americans BY FAR are the biggest pains in the ass of all. They even embarrass the whine fairy.

 

[dannyboys]

Darwinism. BTW Hitler was conquered by a more superior force of humans.
Yes Karma is a bitch.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

Certainly "Manifest Destiny" was a cruel way to bring about that change, an asshole doctrine by asshole Protestants. It was a theological justification for what whites were already doing, running roughshod over our lands in their insatiable lust for gold. The God I know wanted a peaceful ascendency to modernity for my people, not a violent subjugation.

But either way, it had to happen. The Native Americans were not a hub of modern advancement like you suggest. We were shut out, isolated, and reticent to put aside our differences to achieve common interests. All the talk about how whites "stole" our land bypasses the simple fact that we were not strong enough to control all that land. A parallel can be demonstrated with pre modern China which was a loose coalition of warring, bickering provinces. That's why Japan was able to capture and control great swaths of territory for decades.

I'm a husband and father of four. I look forward to being a grandfather too. I have a comfortable home, a hospital a few miles away, plenty of food, and no fear of being attacked by a neighboring tribe. I would have had none of this without the intervention of Western society. I probably would have been dead 2 decades ago, killed in some pointless war. I'm not focused on historical injustice, perceived or not, I'm grateful that my people now live in peace.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Until the white man came here, injuns didn't even have a written language. They were savages eating bugs and living in caves and dying at 32. We saved them and now take care of them with massive welfare payments.., We don't owe injuns anything, They owe us. THINK

 

[Moonglow]

Native americans are, for the most part, their own nation, inside the US.
African americans have integrated and are americans.

It has to do with visibility in the community. Natives are not widely seen by most of the population. the invisible and forgotten, outside of the casino resorts and a few tourist areas.

You been out of the house? Ever?

 

[Moonglow]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Can't do anything.....white man with forked tongue...

 

[Moonglow]

For 13% of the population, black Americans BY FAR are the biggest pains in the ass of all. They even embarrass the whine fairy.

Mad Dog 20-20?

 

[xyz]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Jim Thorpe, he played a lot of different sports:
Jim Thorpe - Wikipedia

American Indian Baseball Players by Baseball Almanac

Lacrosse - Wikipedia

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

Certainly "Manifest Destiny" was a cruel way to bring about that change, an asshole doctrine by asshole Protestants. It was a theological justification for what whites were already doing, running roughshod over our lands in their insatiable lust for gold. The God I know wanted a peaceful ascendency to modernity for my people, not a violent subjugation.

But either way, it had to happen. The Native Americans were not a hub of modern advancement like you suggest. We were shut out, isolated, and reticent to put aside our differences to achieve common interests. All the talk about how whites "stole" our land bypasses the simple fact that we were not strong enough to control all that land. A parallel can be demonstrated with pre modern China which was a loose coalition of warring, bickering provinces. That's why Japan was able to capture and control great swaths of territory for decades.

I'm a husband and father of four. I look forward to being a grandfather too. I have a comfortable home, a hospital a few miles away, plenty of food, and no fear of being attacked by a neighboring tribe. I would have had none of this without the intervention of Western society. I probably would have been dead 2 decades ago, killed in some pointless war. I'm not focused on historical injustice, perceived or not, I'm grateful that my people now live in peace.

Had it not been for separation and the reservation program the Native peoples would have disappeared years ago. Nothing was going to save them. Not ever. The more they wanted to cling to their heritage, the less of a future that heritage had.

The Natives handed off to the Americans that what became the best of America. The very concepts and ideals that present day Americans are trading for the filth of multiculturalism.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

Forced Equality Drags Everyone Down to the Lowest Common Denominator

Races have to be held accountable for their genetic failure to invent those things themselves, or at least to pick them up quickly, like the Indians did with horseback riding. But that was physical and not really a homo sapiens advancement any more than the learning by the horses themselves. Within the advanced races, empowered decadent traitors with a Death Wish must be shunned, banned, and banished before this civil rights for the uncivilized problem can be solved.

 

[Syriusly]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

Forced Equality Drags Everyone Down to the Lowest Common Denominator

Races have to be held accountable for their genetic failure to invent those things themselves, or at least to pick them up quickly, like the Indians did with horseback riding. But that was physical and not really a homo sapiens advancement any more than the learning by the horses themselves. Within the advanced races, empowered decadent traitors with a Death Wish must be shunned, banned, and banished before this civil rights for the uncivilized problem can be solved.

There are no 'advanced races'- there is only the human race.

 

[Syriusly]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Why am I not surprised that you are a racist towards Indians also?

 

[Syriusly]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Until the white man came here, injuns didn't even have a written language. They were savages eating bugs and living in caves and dying at 32.

Just when I thought you couldn't be any more ignorant.....you show me how you had even lower to go.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.

I agree with a good deal of your post however as vile as slavery was, and as much of a stain it has left on the world since the beginning of time, there are positive things that are a direct result of that slavery.
One thing, and actually consider this before just attacking, is that the blacks living in the U.S today are in much better condition financially and in health than they would be if their ancestors would have been left in Africa instead of coming here.
not much consolidation for the actual individuals that had to suffer the travesty and lack of dignity that was slavery, but their descendants are much better off.
the Natives here? sucks to be them but you have to consider that the either migrated to this land and just claimed it too. They either came from south America or across the bearing sea when it was frozen. essentially, its not like they brought cash and negotiated a deal for the property. They just sat there tired of walking asses down and called it home.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Drunking archery comes to mind.
oh, and the came up with the first disappearing ink for writing letters. (smoke signals) and don't forget curry,, oh wait, that was real Indians.