Blowing Up Darwin

[Hollie]

God-styled, not self-styled. Left to my own devices I'd be dead.

I have mocked no one. I have nothing but sympathy for others not as fortunate as myself. I'm simply arguing from winner's circle, which offends those who are losing. There is plenty of room in the winner's circle, but few seem to want to be in it. Maybe you can explain that.

You are arguing from what winners circle? Do your gods approve of such bloviating and arrogance?

So, we’re to understand that a child with cancer has chosen not to be in your gods’s winner’s circle?

 

[Hollie]

How deeply do want to get into the many causes of childhood deaths? You should note that God doesn't prevent every accident from happening.

How deeply do you want to defend your angry, vindictive gods?

I’m still curious to know when you were tasked with being the God’s version of KJP?

 

[Woodznutz]

You are arguing from what winners circle? Do your gods approve of such bloviating and arrogance?

So, we’re to understand that a child with cancer has chosen not to be in your gods’s winner’s circle?

Likely his antecedents made that choice for him or her. My daughters carry a gene from me that has caused breast cancer in them. I likely got it from a distant relative. Somewhere along the line some serious rules were broken, either purposely or accidentally.

 

[Woodznutz]

How deeply do you want to defend your angry, vindictive gods?

I’m still curious to know when you were tasked with being the God’s version of KJP?

God makes the rules. We break them at our peril.

KJP doesn't tell it like it is, I do.

 

[Hollie]

Likely his antecedents made that choice for him or her. My daughters carry a gene from me that has caused breast cancer in them. I likely got it from a distant relative. Somewhere along the line some serious rules were broken, either purposely or accidentally.

Likely, the gods hate you and you daughters and want you culled from the population.

Can’t take a hint?

 

[Hollie]

KJP doesn't tell it like it is, I do.

KJP doesn’t pretend to speak on behalf of the gods as you do.

 

[Woodznutz]

Likely, the gods hate you and you daughters and want you culled from the population.

Can’t take a hint?

It still might happen. Every day is a gift at my age.

 

[Woodznutz]

KJP doesn’t pretend to speak on behalf of the gods as you do.

I speak about things that I know. Why dispute what I know if you are ignorant of it?

 

[Hollie]

God makes the rules. We break them at our peril.

KJP doesn't tell it like it is, I do.

The gods make the rules?

What rules did a child so egregiously break to be condemned to a short, painful, and miserable existence?

 

[Hollie]

It still might happen. Every day is a gift at my age.

Will the gods see your daughters as worthy of being culled along with you?

 

[Hollie]

I speak about things that I know. Why dispute what I know if you are ignorant of it?

You claim to know a lot about what the gods want and don’t want. Do you have boxed cases of Kool- aid and a loyal flock?

Do you have knowledge of a godly spacecraft like Marshall Applewhite?

 

[abu afak]

God wants me to have a long, healthy, and prosperous life here on earth. I do my best to accommodate him.

This is the SCIENCE section, not the non-evidentiary testimony one.
Try Religion.
Your [idiotic/simpleton] posts have NO RELEVANCE to the OP or Darwin's ideas.

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[Sherlock Holmes]

Science doesn't deal in faith. It deals in evidence.

Science is a result of faith, faith that nature can be comprehended and predicted. Without such a belief why would anyone even try to make sense of the universe?

Your questions have been answered ad nauseum.

This thread is about evolution. If you want to talk about origins, start a thread about origins.

Seems to me evolution is over your head. So you seek refuge elsewhere.

Be honest. Tell us you believe in something that has no evidence.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I of course am, and all of your huffing and puffing and hilariously bad acting will get you absolutely nowhere in your goofy religioner nutter crusade to undermine the most robust scientific theory in history.

Evidence is what undermines the claims made by some naturalist explanations.

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Road to Perdition Is Patrician

But at the same time the Christofascists Paleoconservatives believe in Social Darwinism: "Survival of the Fatherest."

Darwin wrote that the fittest pass on their superior genes to their offspring, thus justifying hereditary wealth, political power, social influence, and business ownership.

It is not only a cancer on society; it is another contradiction. Why, if they are so superior, would the "well-born" need a head start? It's like letting the Super Bowl Winner start each game next season with a 14-0 lead.

You seem to be drifting off topic to discuss eugenics, racial supremacy and so on, is that what you want to discuss?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

For an introduction to tensors, go to this series by eigenchris (this is part 1 of a 16 part series):



Video #4 in the series is enormously important, you will learn what "covectors" are and you will immediately see the relationship to level sets in the phase diagrams.

So let's say we have some small pieces of DNA called "transcription factors", and let's say they all control the same gene. We can write an equation for the amount of the gene that's being expressed, as a function of the transcription factors.

So g = f(t1) + g(t2) + h(t3) and so on for as many tf's as needed.

But since these are transcription factors we also have

t1 = a(t2) + b(t3) + ...
t2 = c(t1) + d(t3) + ...
...

which we can write in matrix form with 0's on the diagonal.

For this system of coupled equations we will often have complex roots, which means our solution will oscillate. There will be periods with more gene expression, and periods with less. This is how we get genes to express themselves during development and again in old age.

You don't need a course in complex analysis to understand the complex solutions, you'll learn everything you need to know from the quadratic formula in dynamics, and Euler's equation. What's important is that you understand

e^i€ = cos(€) + i sin(€)

Because e^i€ is a solution for most of your coupled equations. Most of the genetic equations are pretty simple, you don't need LaPlace transforms or Fourier transforms to solve them. However you need to be solid with the linear algebra, and you need to know about tensors because many of the genetic equations go up into 5 or 6 or 7 dimensions.

So for example, let's say we have a surface defined by the concentrations of tf1 and tf2, and we want to know how tf3 acts on that. Well, we can represent the influence as a "field", which is a vector at every point in the tf1-tf2 plane. Then if we add tf4 we can change coordinates to get a new influence map. If the underlying gene is a promoter for yet another gene, we can transform the tf3 field using a tensor, and thereby arrive at the influence of each transcription factor on the underlying gene. It sounds a lot more complicated than it is. It's really pretty easy. But you need the math background for the oddball cases, which sometimes can get a little hairy.

The oddball cases would include things like indels caused by histones that don't fully unwind the DNA for a polymerase. If you have tf's controlling the histone you want to know the odds of an indel in the underlying gene when a tf goes south.

TLDR

Anyone seeking an explanation for tensors would do well to watch this, the man also wrote an excellent compact book about this too. Ignore Scruffy's self indulgent and somewhat narcissistic waffle here, he is as always simply trying to make himself look clever, do not be fooled.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

It's been the same story for hundreds of years. On the one hand we have people who want to glom onto science and use it for their own purposes, and on the other hand we have people who want to deny evidence for their own purposes.

The Church has been one of the worst offenders in the second case. It took them 1200 years to acknowledge the earth isn't the center of the universe, and they actually killed people for saying it.

I don't think you make much sense here. You are not really concerned about science, the discipline, but more about your interpretation of what data we have. All evidence is interpreted within the context of some kind of belief system, epistemological framework.

You misunderstand the "Church" too. It's an easily verified fact that the majority, vast majority of the seminal contributors to the scientific revolution where theists if not Christian theists. Science as a discipline grew out of a belief in an orderly universe, one that is (inexplicably) rationally intelligible.

Do not confuse historic and intellectual theology in Christian Europe (which is where science blossomed) with latter day "Bible bashing" fundamentalists, these are mainly an artifact of Puritanism in the United States and do not represent the wider world, those people are "antillectuals" and superstitious and often irrational, the exact opposite of most Christians outside of the USA.

Explain to me please why the universe seems to be rationally intelligible? (caveat your answer cannot be a scientific answer because science presumes that the universe is rationally intelligible the very characteristic we seek an explanation for).

P.S The Church did not kill anyone who advocated heliocentrism, this is another example of your poor scholarship when discussing the history of science.

 

[Hollie]

Science is a result of faith, faith that nature can be comprehended and predicted. Without such a belief why would anyone even try to make sense of the universe?

What nonsense. Science and investigation is the inverse of faith. Are you aware of the role played by the Anglican church during the Dark Ages? The church literally held back the advancement of humanity for 800 years using torture, confinement and death for anyone who dared question church authority.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

What nonsense. Science and investigation is the inverse of faith.

Does one need to believe anything in order to undertake scientific investigations?

Are you aware of the role played by the Anglican church during the Dark Ages? The church literally held back the advancement of humanity for 800 years using torture, confinement and death for anyone who dared question church authority.

That has no bearing on the role played by beliefs when studying nature, it's a strawman argument.

 

[Leo123]

And it was and only is SCIENCE that finds cures and remedies for e.g. sicknesses - which e.g. virus or bacterial caused sickness was investigated onto and cured via endless referencing the content of those self-written desert books??

Oh yeah right - e.g. the Jews caused the Plague, and some heretic must have caused Cholera, and so on. Therefore let's prosecute or even better place them on the stake - to rid us of diseases.

I didn’t diss science. In fact I said evolution was real, it just does not explain the origin of life. Calm down now