African Americans treated much better than Native Americans. Why?

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Drunking archery comes to mind.
oh, and the came up with the first disappearing ink for writing letters. (smoke signals) and don't forget curry,, oh wait, that was real Indians.

We also make beautiful authentic Native American souvenirs with plastic beads made in China that we sell to gullible tourists with more money than brains.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

At least negroes are good as sports. Injuns can't do nothing.

Drunking archery comes to mind.
oh, and the came up with the first disappearing ink for writing letters. (smoke signals) and don't forget curry,, oh wait, that was real Indians.

We also make beautiful authentic Native American souvenirs with plastic beads made in China that we sell to gullible tourists with more money than brains.

looks like someone has been to Cherokee and walked the junk store circuit

 

[Syriusly]

First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.

I agree with a good deal of your post however as vile as slavery was, and as much of a stain it has left on the world since the beginning of time, there are positive things that are a direct result of that slavery.
One thing, and actually consider this before just attacking, is that the blacks living in the U.S today are in much better condition financially and in health than they would be if their ancestors would have been left in Africa instead of coming here.
not much consolidation for the actual individuals that had to suffer the travesty and lack of dignity that was slavery, but their descendants are much better off.
the Natives here? sucks to be them but you have to consider that the either migrated to this land and just claimed it too. They either came from south America or across the bearing sea when it was frozen. essentially, its not like they brought cash and negotiated a deal for the property. They just sat there tired of walking asses down and called it home.

If your mother was raped- and you were born because of that rape- would you be consider your mother being raped a positive thing?

Of course the Native Americans who lived here came here first- I am not sure of the point. While I don't have any illusions about Native Americans or their ancestors being any better- or any worse- than Europeans- it would still suck to have your lands stolen from you. Even if their ancestors had perhaps stolen it from other native Americans.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

First of all- don't get your information from TV. Hell if I got my info on New Zealand from TV I would assume that there is nothing but kiwi birds and the All Blacks in New Zealand.

Both African Americans and Native Americans got shafted in American history. I can't say that either are treated much better than the other by society at large. Both have issues and problems that likely date back to their ancestors being screwed over, and there is no easy fix to the problems.

I agree with a good deal of your post however as vile as slavery was, and as much of a stain it has left on the world since the beginning of time, there are positive things that are a direct result of that slavery.
One thing, and actually consider this before just attacking, is that the blacks living in the U.S today are in much better condition financially and in health than they would be if their ancestors would have been left in Africa instead of coming here.
not much consolidation for the actual individuals that had to suffer the travesty and lack of dignity that was slavery, but their descendants are much better off.
the Natives here? sucks to be them but you have to consider that the either migrated to this land and just claimed it too. They either came from south America or across the bearing sea when it was frozen. essentially, its not like they brought cash and negotiated a deal for the property. They just sat there tired of walking asses down and called it home.

If your mother was raped- and you were born because of that rape- would you be consider your mother being raped a positive thing?

Of course the Native Americans who lived here came here first- I am not sure of the point. While I don't have any illusions about Native Americans or their ancestors being any better- or any worse- than Europeans- it would still suck to have your lands stolen from you. Even if their ancestors had perhaps stolen it from other native Americans.

No, and I don't think that the first generation of free slaves would have been what I considered lucky at the time either.
But lets put some distance between the rape of my mother and an ancestor maybe 5 or 6 generations later. Lets say that ancestor somehow ended up being the richest individual on earth would he have benefited from it? yes.
but as far as that question goes, its not the same thing as slaves. Their outcome changed because of a bad start, either way they would have been born, one way they were born into a life of opportunity, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

 

[Syriusly]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

not real quick on the uptake are you?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

You're missing the point again. 2 centuries and many generations have occurred since then and though you Leftists like to pretend that there's been no progress on civil rights, we believe there's been tremendous progress to the point that there's no longer any excuse for any American not to succeed in life. When blacks are in Congress, the Supreme Court, and the White House, Indians, Hispanics, and gays and women hold very high offices and one might even become president tonight.....it's clear there's no obstacles for anyone to achieve their dreams.

So what does moaning about irrelevant injustices of the distant past actually accomplish for you?

 

[Syriusly]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

not real quick on the uptake are you?

Far quicker than you are, clearly.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

not real quick on the uptake are you?

Far quicker than you are, clearly.

Its not too obvious.

 

[Syriusly]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

You're missing the point again. 2 centuries and many generations have occurred since then and though you Leftists like to pretend that there's been no progress on civil rights,

When have I 'pretended' or said- or implied that there has been no progress on civil rights?

Quoting myself earlier in this thread: native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

Rather than making stupid and incorrect over generalizations why not actually respond to me?

 

[Syriusly]

I don't live in america but from what i see on american tv its as if white americans are still trying to make up for
slavery, but couldnt give a shit about the land stolen from Native Americans and the state of their people. African Americans were given their freedom in 1865, Native americans still don't have their land. Not one African American alive has ever been a slave, all Native Americans have had land stolen.

Prehistoric Neanderthalic Fugitives From Siberia

They never owned any land. They were wandering criminal gangs engaged in perpetual tribal genocide. They temporarily occupied the land the Whites found them in; they had no long-lasting roots anywhere on this continent. They were mentally incapable of developing the vast wealth of natural resources here. They've overstayed their evolutionary expiration date.

Evolutionary expiration date is right. We were more primitive than even the ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations who had literacy, metallurgy, astronomy, math, architecture, and the building of great cities and infrastructure projects....and international trade. We had NONE of that and would tarry in ignorance indefinitely except for the intervention of Western Civilization. There was no way we could keep this continent to ourselves because we refused to advance, refused to invent, refused to cooperate in grand human endeavors, and refused to change. Simply put, we were in the way. It's a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the truth.

When did you 'refuse' those things?

European and Asian societies didn't make their advancements in a vacuum. Innovation spread back and forth across eur-asia. Native American societies did invent, did cooperate and did change- but they could not change fast enough once the triple whammy of disease and guns and steel hit them.

Once introduced to the concepts of the alphabet for example- native Americans attempted to adapt but events outpaced their efforts.

If it wasn't for disease- and later alcohol, native Americans likely could have held onto the America's long enough to adapt to meet Western standards.

Certainly "Manifest Destiny" was a cruel way to bring about that change, an asshole doctrine by asshole Protestants. It was a theological justification for what whites were already doing, running roughshod over our lands in their insatiable lust for gold. The God I know wanted a peaceful ascendency to modernity for my people, not a violent subjugation.

But either way, it had to happen. The Native Americans were not a hub of modern advancement like you suggest. We were shut out, isolated, and reticent to put aside our differences to achieve common interests. All the talk about how whites "stole" our land bypasses the simple fact that we were not strong enough to control all that land. A parallel can be demonstrated with pre modern China which was a loose coalition of warring, bickering provinces. That's why Japan was able to capture and control great swaths of territory for decades.

I'm a husband and father of four. I look forward to being a grandfather too. I have a comfortable home, a hospital a few miles away, plenty of food, and no fear of being attacked by a neighboring tribe. I would have had none of this without the intervention of Western society. I probably would have been dead 2 decades ago, killed in some pointless war. I'm not focused on historical injustice, perceived or not, I'm grateful that my people now live in peace.

Had it not been for separation and the reservation program the Native peoples would have disappeared years ago. Nothing was going to save them. Not ever. The more they wanted to cling to their heritage, the less of a future that heritage had.

The Natives handed off to the Americans that what became the best of America. The very concepts and ideals that present day Americans are trading for the filth of multiculturalism.

LOL- and because of course we have never had 'multiculturalism'- in a land that in 1776 was populated by Germans, Swedes, French, Spanish, Africans, Native Americans- and of course English and Scots, and Welsh and Irish.

 

[Syriusly]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

You're missing the point again. 2 centuries and many generations have occurred since then and though you Leftists like to pretend that there's been no progress on civil rights,

When have I 'pretended' or said- or implied that there has been no progress on civil rights?

Quoting myself earlier in this thread: native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

Rather than making stupid and incorrect over generalizations why not actually respond to me?

Why not respond to me? Since nobody is hindered by these historical injustices today, what's the point? Unless you're a race pimp like Al Sharpton who wants to claim that Jim Crow happened yesterday and blacks are still oppressed?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

Which explains your participation.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

Or the realist....whatever.

 

[Syriusly]

[QUO, the other way they would have been born into a life of famine and disease. so it really is different that the rape.

Except of course that slaves were born into a life of famine and disease- most of them.

And of course rape too.

You're missing the point again. 2 centuries and many generations have occurred since then and though you Leftists like to pretend that there's been no progress on civil rights,

When have I 'pretended' or said- or implied that there has been no progress on civil rights?

Quoting myself earlier in this thread: native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

Rather than making stupid and incorrect over generalizations why not actually respond to me?

Why not respond to me? Since nobody is hindered by these historical injustices today, what's the point? Unless you're a race pimp like Al Sharpton who wants to claim that Jim Crow happened yesterday and blacks are still oppressed?

I responded specifically to you- here let me remind you

You're missing the point again. 2 centuries and many generations have occurred since then and though you Leftists like to pretend that there's been no progress on civil rights, [/QUOTE]

When have I 'pretended' or said- or implied that there has been no progress on civil rights?

Quoting myself earlier in this thread: native Americans now are treated better than in any period prior to the conquest of the Americas.

Rather than making stupid and incorrect over generalizations why not actually respond to me?

 

[Syriusly]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

Which explains your participation.

If it makes you feel better to think I am a racist because I am not attacking people because of their race- live in whatever fantasy world you want to live in.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

racism is perception in many cases. I personally dont think its racist to point out the fact that today's blacks received benefits from their ancestors being treated like ignorant animals. It is true. You only have to look at what they have the opportunity to do here VS the opportunity they would have had if their family line would have stayed in Africa. Its true, its factual, can be proven. not racist. As far as true racists, I think there are not that many left today either.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

It's really quite simple. Blacks have no pride and dont mind demanding things they havent earned,while indians do have a level of pride and refuse to beg.

This thread has certainly appealed to the racists.

Which explains your participation.

If it makes you feel better to think I am a racist because I am not attacking people because of their race- live in whatever fantasy world you want to live in.

All Leftists are racists. You cannot rest until every American is divided by race and at each other's throats so that the ensuing strife can be exploited as a power base for your racist politicians. You cannot stand it when Americans get along all by themselves with no help from government, so you agitate, spinning off cerebral phrases like, "disproportionately impacts African American communities..." to preserve the narrative that Americans are intrinsically racist and incorrigibly so. And of course the only thing preventing America from dissolving into outright racial discrimination is you people and the strong hand of government.

So yes, you are a racist. I didn't stutter.