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Yes….and what is driving it is antisemitism. We have all these Christian majority nations and all these Muslim majority nations, and nobody has a problem with it. Yet the sole Jewish majority nation - the size of New Jersey - has all these people in an uproar.The original Palestinian mandate ceded to the British by the Ottomans included what is now Jordan. The Arab portion consisted of the vast majority of the total land area.
Not being content with the vast majority and wanting it all, instead, Arabs attacked the fledgling Jewish state.
When their aggression was unsuccessful, Isreal remained, but the goal ever since was to annihilate them. They tried again in 1967, and were soundly defeated again. At this point, they turned to propaganda instead of direct assault and invented a brand new people called "Palestinian"
The real goal has nothing to do with creating a state for this made up group. The goal remains what it has always been - to destroy Israel.
When Jewish communities were living in clusters in Europe, they were always the other. They were the tiny minority with different ways and resented because of it.Yes….and what is driving it is antisemitism. We have all these Christian majority nations and all these Muslim majority nations, and nobody has a problem with it. Yet the sole Jewish majority nation - the size of New Jersey - has all these people in an uproar.
A big “tell” that anti-Zionism and antisemitism are related is:When Jewish communities were living in clusters in Europe, they were always the other. They were the tiny minority with different ways and resented because of it.
Now that there is a state to offer Jewish people the same sense of self-determination offered any other group, the focus on Israel as a tiny minority nation is no different than the focus on small Jewish groups in Europe.
Antizionism IS antisemitism, even if dishonest people try to claim that their hatred of Isreal has nothing to do with Jews.
Plus, the themes all overlap perfectly.A big “tell” that anti-Zionism and antisemitism are related is:
1) whenever someone starts a thread bashing Israel, antisemites descend on it like vultures, praising Hitler, saying all Jews should be sent to their own island “where they won’t bother anyone,“ and so forth.
2) whenever there is criticism of Jews (or Judaism as a religion), posters will show up to rant about how awful Israel is.
What annexation of Palestinian territory?? Certainly everything west of the Security Fence is Israeli territory.About Benjamin Netanyahu - Wikipedia 's and Israel's current annexation of Palestinian territories policies : i can understand the Israeli's no longer trusting their Palestinian neighbors to make their own relocation happen, after years upon years of distrust between those two groups, and a total unwillingness by Palestinian young men to work together with anyone to turn the desert to the East of Palestine into farm land and homes.
A big “tell” that anti-Zionism and antisemitism are related is:
1) whenever someone starts a thread bashing Israel, antisemites descend on it like vultures, praising Hitler, saying all Jews should be sent to their own island “where they won’t bother anyone,“ and so forth.
2) whenever there is criticism of Jews (or Judaism as a religion), posters will show up to rant about how awful Israel is.
www.reuters.com
Do you Evangelicals who are proud to identify as Zionist, have no problem with the fact that Theodor Herzl, the Jew who founded the Zionist movement in the 19th century was an atheist? A non-religious Jew? Most of the first Jewish settlers in Israel were Jewish communists, who established the Kibutzim (communes) and it was they who cleared all of the swamp lands in Israel. Thousands of Jewish communists died from malaria draining those swamps and turning them into fertile farmland. The first prime ministers of Israel were atheist Marxists, and socialists. If American Evangelicals have no problem identifying with a Jewish movement started by Jewish atheists and communists, why are they so hostile towards Marxism? Karl Marx and Engels were both atheist Jews, who critiqued capitalism. Why are right-wing Christian Evangelicals so fond of Theodor Herzl, the atheist founder of Zionism and a nation resurrected in the late 1800s and 1900s by atheist, Marxist Jewish settlers yet so hostile towards everything Marxist? The answer to that question is:
American Evangelicals claim to be disciples of Jesus (a Jew), who ordered all of his disciples to sell their possessions and follow him. The first Christians did just that:
Luk 12:22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on.
Luk 12:23 For the life is more than the food, and the body than the raiment.
Luk 12:24 Consider the ravens, that they sow not, neither reap; which have no store-chamber nor barn; and God feedeth them: of how much more value are ye than the birds!
Luk 12:25 And which of you by being anxious can add a cubit unto the measure of his life?
Luk 12:26 If then ye are not able to do even that which is least, why are ye anxious concerning the rest?
Luk 12:27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say unto you, Even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Luk 12:28 But if God doth so clothe the grass in the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven; how much more shall he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Luk 12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, and what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.
Luk 12:30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.
Luk 12:31 Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you.
Luk 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
Luk 12:33 Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth.
Luk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Mar_10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God
Luk 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
Luk 6:25 Woe unto you, ye that are full now! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you, ye that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
Luk 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for in the same manner did their fathers to the false prophets.
Think about it. How can true disciples of Jesus aspire to be rich in this world, knowing that Christ taught that it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye (through the narrow passageways of the city of Jerusalem and of its walls), than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of YHWH? How can one genuinely claim to be a disciple of Jesus while aspiring to become something that can hardly enter God's kingdom?
One of the primary requirements for becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ, is to lay all of your possessions at the foot of the cross (the body of Jesus Christ / your brothers and sisters / "The Church"). That is the first test of discipleship.
Mar 10:28 Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.
Mar 10:29 Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or mother, or father, or children, or lands, for my sake, and for the gospel's sake,
Mar 10:30 but he shall receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
Mar 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.
This is key in becoming a genuine disciple of Jesus. You must lay everything down at the foot of the cross (of the body) and follow Him, then and only then will you live in true abundance. True wealth is in living this short worldly life in obedience to Jesus.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 For neither was there among them any that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each, according as anyone had need.
Karl Marx borrowed the term "to each according to his need", from Acts 4:35
Act 4:36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of exhortation), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race,
Act 4:37 having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet
Jesus meant it when he said:
Mar_8:34 And he called unto him the multitude with his disciples, and said unto them, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat_10:38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me.
Joh 12:25 He that loveth his life loseth it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will the Father honor.
Hear what the Spirit says to the Church of America..
Rev 3:16 So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and have gotten riches, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art the wretched one and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold refined by fire, that thou mayest become rich; and white garments, that thou mayest clothe thyself, and that the shame of thy nakedness be not made manifest; and eyesalve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches.
The American church wants the rewards of discipleship, without sacrifice. They want resurrection without the cross. If you sincerely want to be a member of Christ's royal family, reigning with him upon His throne, then you must zealously obey Him or you will be spewed out, found unworthy to govern the nations with Him. The church has become impotent, without the power or the grace to manifest the presence of God to a fallen world. Jesus said that the world would know who are His disciples, based on their unity and love for each other.
Joh 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.
He ordered his disciples to love each other with the same sacrificial love that he showed them.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
The primary way that sacrificial love is proven in this material world, is by laying down your possessions before your brother's and sister's feet (i.e. the body of Jesus Christ). If you don't have the zeal and love to do that, then you're not worthy to be called a disciple of Christ. You must sacrifice everything. Your carnal agenda, aspirations, dreams, ego, and yes your possessions as well, for the sake of your Lord and Savior, who saved you from sin and death. You must hate your life in this demonic world in order to create a new life with Christ, in His kingdom. If you're not willing to do that, you're not worthy to be a disciple of The Son of The Living God. You won't reign with Him.
Jesus warns:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink;
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thy healing shall spring forth speedily; and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of Jehovah shall be thy rearward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and Jehovah will answer; thou shalt cry, and he will say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking wickedly;
Isa 58:10 and if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul: then shall thy light rise in darkness, and thine obscurity be as the noonday;
Isa 58:11 and Jehovah will guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in dry places, and make strong thy bones; and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places; thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
No power or glory, no grace to face the world as a disciple of Christ. A dead church, a circus full of clowns. American Evangelicals fail to realize what it means to be a true disciple of Jesus, which is to hate your life in this world and lay it all down at the foot of the cross, at the feet of your brothers and sisters in Christ, When you do that, then you can truly minister with the power of the Holy Spirit to a broken world:
If the church doesn't obey Jesus, then God will raise up anyone else he chooses to accomplish His will, including communists. He did it with Zionism and the re-creation of Israel, and he will do it to eliminate homelessness and hunger in America. If you don't do it, by failing to obey Jesus, then God will use anyone, even Socialists. If you get in the way of that, by defunding government programs, then you are at war with God, not with socialists. If Christians aren't solving the problem, due to their love for mammon and their pursuit of worldly comforts, God will raise up non-Christians that are committed to housing the homeless, feeding the poor, providing healthcare, and drug rehab services.
REPUBLICANS DESTROY THE HOUSING FIRST PROGRAM BY DEFUNDING IT, AFTER IT PRACTICALLY ELIMINATED HOMELESSNESS IN UTAH (HOUSING IS CHEAPER THAN HOMELESSNESS):
Once a national model, Utah struggles with homelessness
Once lauded as a leader among U.S. cities struggling to relieve homelessness, the number of people sleeping rough in Utah's capital has spiked in the past two years, as funding for its groundbreaking housing program dried up.
On what grounds do modern Jews have a right to take that land for themselves and call it "Israel", despite of the fact that there are people living there who aren't adherents of rabbinic Judaism? You're not the only ones who have a deep connection with that land. On what grounds should anyone identify the Holy Land as "The Jewish State", when a considerable number of people of that land aren't Jewish? Does the Jewish state officially recognize YHWH and enforce Torah?WTF? You call me an “Evangelical” and then quote verse after verse of the New Testament to me? And then go on to complain about people who identify as Christian but have no right to call themselves “a disciple of Christ”? All intended to insult me?
I‘m a practicing Jew, you idiot.
So first you argue shit about Christians to me because you thought I was Christian, and now you come up with shit about the Jews now that I tell you I’m a Jew.On what grounds do modern Jews have a right to take that land for themselves and call it "Israel", despite of the fact that there are people living there who aren't adherents of rabbinic Judaism? You're not the only ones who have a deep connection with that land. On what grounds should anyone identify the Holy Land as "The Jewish State", when a considerable number of people of that land aren't Jewish? Does the Jewish state officially recognize YHWH and enforce Torah?
Boohoo. Again, what gives you the right to have a secular "Jewish State"/ethnostate in that land? Is it might makes right, is it Torah, is it your grandmother's secret gefilte fish recipe, what?So first you argue shit about Christians to me because you thought I was Christian, and now you come up with shit about the Jews now that I tell you I’m a Jew.
You obviously have a thing against religious people, and I’m not going to give you an entire history of Israel, and the need for Jews to have ONE country in which they are the majority. You’re too biased.
Thus displaying yet again that it is the left more than the right now propelling the ugliness of antisemitism.Boohoo. Again, what gives you the right to have a secular "Jewish State"/ethnostate in that land? Is it might makes right, is it Torah, is it your grandmother's secret gefilte fish recipe, what?
The original Palestinian mandate ceded to the British by the Ottomans included what is now Jordan. The Arab portion consisted of the vast majority of the total land area.
Not being content with the vast majority and wanting it all, instead, Arabs attacked the fledgling Jewish state.
When their aggression was unsuccessful, Isreal remained, but the goal ever since was to annihilate them. They tried again in 1967, and were soundly defeated again. At this point, they turned to propaganda instead of direct assault and invented a brand new people called "Palestinian"
The real goal has nothing to do with creating a state for this made up group. The goal remains what it has always been - to destroy Israel.
Dozens of countries are Muslim-majority, and dozens of countries are Christian-majority. But all the condemnation (and sarcasm) comes at the one and only little Jewish country.Boohoo. Again, what gives you the right to have a secular "Jewish State"/ethnostate in that land? Is it might makes right, is it Torah, is it your grandmother's secret gefilte fish recipe, what?
That antisemite is a leftist, supposedly opposed to racism, and yet loves demeaning religious people? Figures.Thus displaying yet again that it is the left more than the right now propelling the ugliness of antisemitism.
Dozens of countries are Muslim-majority, and dozens of countries are Christian-majority. But all the condemnation (and sarcasm) comes at the one and only little Jewish country.
Your mocking of Judaism, and Jews, is not acceptable on this thread. Take your antisemitism elsewhere.
On the grounds that Israeli Jews are indigenous to the West Bank area.On what grounds do modern Jews have a right to take that land for themselves and call it "Israel", despite of the fact that there are people living there who aren't adherents of rabbinic Judaism?
Yes they are. The fact that Muslims steal other people's land doesn't give them any connection to the land that they steal.You're not the only ones who have a deep connection with that land.
On the grounds that indigenous people have the right to live in their own homeland.On what grounds should anyone identify the Holy Land as "The Jewish State", when a considerable number of people of that land aren't Jewish?
Yes. If Muslims have the right to have Muslim states, Jews have the right to have a Jewish state.You're allowed to take over the Holy Land, and make it a secular "Jewish State", rendering every non-Jew a second-class citizen by default because there are countries in the Middle East and elsewhere, that have Muslim or Christian majorities?
Falsely accusing Jews of imaginary atrocities is neonazism at its worst.How does that justify a Jewish apartheid state?
Indigenous people have the right to live in their own homeland.What gives a Jew the right, to be born in Crownheights, Brooklyn, in the United States and then move to the holy land, in the Middle East, with full citizenship and more rights than non-Jews born and raised in the holy land? You're allowed to take their lands, tear down their homes, take their humanity and dignity away because they're non-Jews, supposedly living on your land? How do you figure that? Again, what right do you have to do that, answer the question.
It constitutes antisemitism when the question amounts to a false accusation that Jews are committing imaginary atrocities.You're not beyond being questioned, nor does being questioned constitute antisemiticism.
