A Thought on Judaism...no "pie in the sky"

[InstantOn]

Jewish belief in the afterlife varied even in Jesus day, hence his observation that God is the God of the living.

Even Jews who do believe in the afterlife see scripture as instructions/advice on how to live this life--not instructions about how to enter the afterlife. Some also believe in a form of purgatory--that lasts no longer than a year after death.

Jews who believe have a beautiful faith, a strong belief in God. They trust His Laws, they work to remember Him every minute of every day. The way they perform every day tasks keep God before them.

For very observant Jews, there is a prayer praising and thanking God for everything even urinating.

 

[Mindful]

What's a nice day?

The Talmud On Tractate Beitzah

What makes a good day? Learn more about how the central question of Tractate Beitzah is answered in the Talmud.

www.tabletmag.com

 

[Rigby5]

I have never understood why some religions feel the need to compete with each other. This is an entirely earthly power-grab.

Posts like Clyde's are pure drivel He speaks of Jews as having "pride and arrogance." He needs to take a long hard look at all the phony "Christians" running around producing nothing but absolute stupidity. They fancy themselves very, very much, and I wouldn't give a dime for any of them. They are useless.

Your mistake is that it is not Clyde who condemns Jews for the sins of "arrogance and pride".
That was the final consensus of the Jewish religious leadership, after the loss of the Jews against the Romans, and the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple of Solomon.
Jews then were ordered by the Diaspora Decree, to disperse to other cultures and atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, by being helpful to others.

The significance of which is that then the creation of Israel is the ultimate sin,
It totally abrogates 2 thousands years of atonement, and totally violates the Jewish believe in the coming of the Messiah,
Which is why Netanyahu and most Zionists are atheist's.
Actual Judaism requires humility.

 

[irosie91]

Your mistake is that it is not Clyde who condemns Jews for the sins of "arrogance and pride".
That was the final consensus of the Jewish religious leadership, after the loss of the Jews against the Romans, and the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple of Solomon.
Jews then were ordered by the Diaspora Decree, to disperse to other cultures and atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, by being helpful to others.

The significance of which is that then the creation of Israel is the ultimate sin,
It totally abrogates 2 thousands years of atonement, and totally violates the Jewish believe in the coming of the Messiah,
Which is why Netanyahu and most Zionists are atheist's.
Actual Judaism requires humility.

the wish of the islamo nazi and justification for its filth

 

[Lysistrata]

Your mistake is that it is not Clyde who condemns Jews for the sins of "arrogance and pride".
That was the final consensus of the Jewish religious leadership, after the loss of the Jews against the Romans, and the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple of Solomon.
Jews then were ordered by the Diaspora Decree, to disperse to other cultures and atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, by being helpful to others.

The significance of which is that then the creation of Israel is the ultimate sin,
It totally abrogates 2 thousands years of atonement, and totally violates the Jewish believe in the coming of the Messiah,
Which is why Netanyahu and most Zionists are atheist's.
Actual Judaism requires humility.

Your mistake is in thinking that religions are in competition with each other. Judaism and Christianity are separate religions, and Jews don't owe anything to Christians and never have. You and Clyde apparently believe yourselves to be Christian and yet take it upon yourselves to push a derogatory narrative about a different faith for your own purposes, which you have no business doing.

Go and carefully review the tenets and history of your own faith. I was born and raised Roman Catholic, but have since switched to more Protestant leanings. The history of Christianity and today's headlines do not present a pretty picture at all, and show that Christians drifted away from the teachings of Jesus very early on and relegated Him to a figurehead, where he sits to this very day. Clean your own house.

 

[watchingfromafar]

Israelis believe they are a special people chosen by God Himself.

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

God chose the Jews to preach His teachings. To be an example for others to follow.

God gave them specific instructions---

The term “stranger” is referenced 128 time in the KJV of the Bible.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV)  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Modern day Israelis ignore the above, believing they are above His rule.

The Israeli IDF sniper teams have murdered hundreds of Palestinian children
https://tinyurl.com/32yekhjk

Israelis destroy Palestinian homes and murder whoever is inside
https://tinyurl.com/47s4nm28

Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats cutting off needed food for its people
https://tinyurl.com/4a8zj84c

Israelis were the “first” to engage in terrorists’ acts

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
The Assassination of Lord Moyne on JSTOR

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

1946 British Embassy bombing - Wikipedia

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
Terrorismo: per non dimenticare (narkive.com)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

Who were the first "terrorist" coining the term? [Archive] - BibleWorks User Forums

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
Barrel bombs in Palestine and Israel - Wikipedia

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
List of Irgun operations - Wikipedia

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
Letter‐Bombs Mailed to Truman in 1947 - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Last but not least, Israelis routinely spit on Christians in Jerusalem and elsewhere
israelis spit on christians - Bing

As an American I have to ask,
why does the USA government support these terrorists?????

-​

 

[watchingfromafar]

Lysistrata disagrees even though she did not even read the post.
Definitely a die-hard supporter who does not even know why?
-

 

[Lysistrata]

Israelis believe they are a special people chosen by God Himself.

(Deu 7:6 KJV) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

(Deu 7:7 KJV) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

God chose the Jews to preach His teachings. To be an example for others to follow.

God gave them specific instructions---

The term “stranger” is referenced 128 time in the KJV of the Bible.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV)  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Modern day Israelis ignore the above, believing they are above His rule.

The Israeli IDF sniper teams have murdered hundreds of Palestinian children
https://tinyurl.com/32yekhjk

Israelis destroy Palestinian homes and murder whoever is inside
https://tinyurl.com/47s4nm28

Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats cutting off needed food for its people
https://tinyurl.com/4a8zj84c

Israelis were the “first” to engage in terrorists’ acts

November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, in Cairo.
The Assassination of Lord Moyne on JSTOR

July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem,.,.,killing or injuring more than 200 persons.
King David Hotel bombing - Wikipedia

October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions, for which Irgun claimed responsibility.

1946 British Embassy bombing - Wikipedia

September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons. It was attributed to Irgun or Stern Gangs. (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972, p.8)
Terrorismo: per non dimenticare (narkive.com)

December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa; 12 Arabs were killed and others injured in an attack by armed Zionists on an Arab coastal village near Haifa.

Who were the first "terrorist" coining the term? [Archive] - BibleWorks User Forums

December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia

December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
Barrel bombs in Palestine and Israel - Wikipedia

December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
List of Irgun operations - Wikipedia

June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
Letter‐Bombs Mailed to Truman in 1947 - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Last but not least, Israelis routinely spit on Christians in Jerusalem and elsewhere
israelis spit on christians - Bing

As an American I have to ask,
why does the USA government support these terrorists?????

-​

What''s your game? What religion are you?

 

[watchingfromafar]

What''s your game? What religion are you?

My game is to –
convince the Israelis to repent.
Confess their past atrocities
Ask the Lord for forgiveness
And I am sure He will forgive them
If not, the writing is on the wall
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I was circumcised when I was a baby

 

[watchingfromafar]

Lysistrata disagrees even though she did not even read the post.
Definitely a die-hard supporter who does not even know why?

Lysistrata, why are you here?

just asking
no animosity intended or implied
-

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

While I have read the Torah and some commentaries, I have only a passing understanding of jewish beliefs. I also have the distinct impression that there is a very broad range of beliefs within judaism about very basic issues. Hell, some jews admit to being atheists and agnostics.

But it is my distinct understanding that judaism has no formalized or universal belief in an afterlife, and individual jews have beliefs that are "all over the lot," on that subject. Some believe that dead is dead...done and gone. Others have varying different beliefs about conditions in the hereafter, who will end up there, and so on. Dennis Prager bases his belief on a belief that God is "just." If that is the case, the a virtuous life will be rewarded in the afterlife and an evil life will be punished - if only with oblivion. Indeed, if God is just, then there MUST be a "balancing" in the afterlife because many virtuous people die penniless and wretched, and any evil people die in the lap of luxury, so to speak.

But the more important question is how the lack of a "pie in the sky" impacts the day to day decisions of jews in how to conduct their affairs. If there is no accountability, then the Torah can speak of moral and ethical behavior, and emphasize it, but there are (obviously) no ramifications for most people. This is clearly observable in life.

Christians are encouraged to "love" everyone, especially their "enemies," and Christian charities thrive all over the world, educating, feeding, housing, and providing medical care to people who may or may not believe anything that Christianity teaches. Most Christians believe that these good works will impact how they live out "eternity," so to speak.

Jewish charities tend to benefit exclusively jews (correct me if I'm wrong). Are there any avowedly Muslim charities. Bhuddist charities, etc.? I don't know.

There is a perception abroad - maybe it's just bigotry - that jews tend to (a) be entrepreneurial - which is understandable, and (b) they tend to lean toward businesses that exploit the exploitable...pawn shops, check cashing businesses, jewelry stores, slum apartment buildings, flashy clothing stores in "urban" neighborhoods, and so on. These are things that "Christians" tend to shy away from, as they are unseemly.

So again, how does the lack of a Pie in the Sky affect the everyday decision making of "good jews"? Or does it? I have never seen any study that explored the moral or ethical behavior of different religious groups. Does such a study exist?

The body in sin will be dead and gone.. The soul of the saved will get a new body. The lost are raised one last time. They are reduced to ash's in God's judging light. God takes no pleasure in this. The lost look like a lake of fire. Satan and the false prophet are tossed into that lake.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

While I have read the Torah and some commentaries, I have only a passing understanding of jewish beliefs. I also have the distinct impression that there is a very broad range of beliefs within judaism about very basic issues. Hell, some jews admit to being atheists and agnostics.

But it is my distinct understanding that judaism has no formalized or universal belief in an afterlife, and individual jews have beliefs that are "all over the lot," on that subject. Some believe that dead is dead...done and gone. Others have varying different beliefs about conditions in the hereafter, who will end up there, and so on. Dennis Prager bases his belief on a belief that God is "just." If that is the case, the a virtuous life will be rewarded in the afterlife and an evil life will be punished - if only with oblivion. Indeed, if God is just, then there MUST be a "balancing" in the afterlife because many virtuous people die penniless and wretched, and any evil people die in the lap of luxury, so to speak.

But the more important question is how the lack of a "pie in the sky" impacts the day to day decisions of jews in how to conduct their affairs. If there is no accountability, then the Torah can speak of moral and ethical behavior, and emphasize it, but there are (obviously) no ramifications for most people. This is clearly observable in life.

Christians are encouraged to "love" everyone, especially their "enemies," and Christian charities thrive all over the world, educating, feeding, housing, and providing medical care to people who may or may not believe anything that Christianity teaches. Most Christians believe that these good works will impact how they live out "eternity," so to speak.

Jewish charities tend to benefit exclusively jews (correct me if I'm wrong). Are there any avowedly Muslim charities. Bhuddist charities, etc.? I don't know.

There is a perception abroad - maybe it's just bigotry - that jews tend to (a) be entrepreneurial - which is understandable, and (b) they tend to lean toward businesses that exploit the exploitable...pawn shops, check cashing businesses, jewelry stores, slum apartment buildings, flashy clothing stores in "urban" neighborhoods, and so on. These are things that "Christians" tend to shy away from, as they are unseemly.

So again, how does the lack of a Pie in the Sky affect the everyday decision making of "good jews"? Or does it? I have never seen any study that explored the moral or ethical behavior of different religious groups. Does such a study exist?

Pie in the sky needs to be in us. God giving god, what is God's. God does not think money. Imagine millions of people with God's creative giving mind asking for what they need to make whatever, with people only needing to ask, to receive whatever. It will be amazing.

 

[irosie91]

Your mistake is that it is not Clyde who condemns Jews for the sins of "arrogance and pride".
That was the final consensus of the Jewish religious leadership, after the loss of the Jews against the Romans, and the Roman destruction of the 2nd Temple of Solomon.
Jews then were ordered by the Diaspora Decree, to disperse to other cultures and atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, by being helpful to others.

The significance of which is that then the creation of Israel is the ultimate sin,
It totally abrogates 2 thousands years of atonement, and totally violates the Jewish believe in the coming of the Messiah,
Which is why Netanyahu and most Zionists are atheist's.
Actual Judaism requires humility.

the concept of "FINAL CONCENSUS" does not exist in jewish
discussion. As to arrogance and pride-----it is a catch all "reason"
for all calamity including bad weather. Even jail sentences for
murder in rabbinic opinion do not generally exceed 7 years

 

[rylah]

Just in the region of Palestine and Israel, there are not many Semitic genes, much less than in Arabia. At least half of the men there are not Semites

That's because you falsely define "semitic dna" (if that is even a thing),
with the main haplotype found Arabia. That's not an honest observation.

Are you suggesting an"Arab-purity" dna test for people living in the Middle East?

 

[surada]

That's because you falsely define "semitic dna" (if that is even a thing),
with the main haplotype found Arabia. That's not an honest observation.

Are you suggesting an Arab-purity dna test for people living in the Middle East?

Arabs are not a race. Semite is a language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic and Syriac.

 

[surada]

Unlike Christianity,

Muslims are so insecure about Islam,
that since Jews laughed in Muhammads illiterate face,
they didn't dare once engage in disputations with Jewish scholars.

They really are ashamed, it may sound counter intuitive,
but in many unconscious ways, they're really begging us to reform Islam.

And we beyond what they'll ever realize.

Really? How are you going to reform Islam?

 

[rylah]

Arabs are not a race. Semite is a language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic and Syriac.

We agree here,
but there's this Pan-Arab supremacist ideology,
suggesting Middle Easterners should be preconditioned
by some blood purity narrow group of dna found mostly in Arabia.

That is what I detest,
are we on the same page?

 

[surada]

We agree here,
but there's this Pan-Arab supremacist ideology,
suggesting Middle Easterners should be preconditioned
by some blood purity narrow group of dna found mostly in Arabia.

That is what I detest,
are we on the same page?

That's nonsense.. Arabs were migrating from Arabia 10,000 years ago all over Mesopotamia, the Levant and Syria.

They are all related.. If you take the Bible literally they are all descended from the sons of Abraham by three different mothers.

 

[irosie91]

Arabs are not a race. Semite is a language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic and Syriac.

"race" in humans is an idiots' conceit

 

[irosie91]

Really? How are you going to reform Islam?

not possible-----it is too self satisfying