A Thought on Judaism...no "pie in the sky"

[rupol2000]

so? do you know the sequence of "the J" marker?

what's the difference what's the sequence lol, the bottom line is that this is a population identifier

 

[rylah]

And it is not clear how this can be understood as some kind of "idea", only dark people believe in it, because anthropology has long proved that there was no separate creation of man, and people descended from primates.

Ah you're that guy...ok, so what's the problem?
Let me remind you, you're talking to a Jew,
but demonstrate the usual tendency of
projecting Christianity/Islam dogma.

For us there's not contradiction with primates,
big bang or whatever sound scientific theory.
Judaism is about questions and argument,
we ask exactly the same 'tricky questions',
as you do, and more. That's prophecy.
Not a religion.

 

[rupol2000]

For us there's not contradiction with primates,
big bang or whatever sound scientific theory.

These are too general words. I can state that an ant created man and argue it in the same way.
You declare an idea, but you do not voice any idea

 

[rupol2000]

By the way, the very idea of creationism has long and firmly been refuted, it is full of paradoxes, and the only consistent theory of creation is Gnostics theory of evil god.

 

[rylah]

The concept of a nation has a generally recognized meaning. It is a cultural community within the state. In fact, this is the legacy of imperial politics. And there is nothing mystical or "deep" to think about.

I though we were talking about Judaism,
if you want the 'general meaning', you won't get more 'general'
than this synthesis of humanist universalism and national particularism.

Wanna remain only particular, prepare to collapse into a general swirl of contradictions,
as most civilizations whom Jews witnessed go down into the dustbin of history.
That's just a simple principle of human character.

That's why Israel remains the only nation,
the rest return to 'earth families'.

 

[rylah]

By the way, the very idea of creationism has long and firmly been refuted, it is full of paradoxes, and the only consistent theory of creation is Gnostics theory of evil god.

'Creationism' is a 'literalist' Christian concept,
remember what I said earlier?

For us there's nothing that extends outside Monotheism, nothing at all,
and nothing contradicts it but your limited human conceptions.
Nothing that can't be synthesized into further revealing G-d.

We're that unbearably paternalist
Kant understood a thing or two...

 

[rupol2000]

The Christian apostles have a Freudian slip of the tongue. They de facto admitted that the "polytheists" knew nature, their claims that they rejected the creator. At the same time, the Christians themselves were not engaged in the knowledge of nature, they simply declared the "idea" of the creator. Pepsi is healthier than cola, just believe me -
here is the style of their argumentation.

 

[rylah]

The Christian apostles have a Freudian slip of the tongue. They de facto admitted that the "polytheists" knew nature, their claims that they rejected the creator. At the same time, the Christians themselves were not engaged in the knowledge of nature, they simply declared the "idea" of the creator. Pepsi is healthier than cola, just believe me -
here is the style of their argumentation.

See? All you have is to project Christianity,
you find it difficult to intuitively grasp Monotheism.

That's why Christianity and Islam were required stages,
will be less rigid and fundamentalist when time is ripe to collect the fruits.

 

[rupol2000]

'Creationism' is a 'literalist' Christian concept,
remember what I said earlier?

For us there's nothing that extends outside Monotheism, nothing at all,
and nothing contradicts it but your limited human conceptions.
Nothing that can't be synthesized into further revealing G-d.

All these are empty "spectacular" words in which there is no intelligible content.
If we talk about monotheism, then Islam has gone the farthest here. Judaism does not differ much from Christianity in the sense of recognizing various kinds of secondary deities, angels and so on, in the Тanach in many places Elohim is used in the plural and so on. And I'm not interested in the sophistry that "explains" all this. And I do not think that modern unorthodox Judaism is fundamentally different from other teachings based on the same scripture, including Christianity and Islam.

 

[rylah]

All these are empty "spectacular" words in which there is no intelligible content.
If we talk about monotheism, then Islam has gone the farthest here. Judaism does not differ much from Christianity in the sense of recognizing various kinds of secondary deities, angels and so on, in the Тanach in many places Elohim is used in the plural and so on. And I'm not interested in the sophistry that "explains" all this. And I do not think that modern unorthodox Judaism is fundamentally different from other teachings based on the same scripture, including Christianity and Islam.

Ok, you've drawn hyper-simplified concept to hide behind,
so that you don't have to deal with that. As long as you do the job...

And yes Islam might be further than Christianity in certain ways,
in which Christianity is stronger, that's just human character,
the character has fundamental commonalities.
Each compensates for their own.

Judaism is the holistic bridge.

 

[irosie91]

what's the difference what's the sequence lol, the bottom line is that this is a population identifier

what it is and where it is, IS useful in understanding its significance
as a marker. I have never read anything on "the J marker" How
about ON WHICH chromosome is it? or what does the "J" stand
for -----AND why do you IMAGINE that the homogeneity of the
population of saudi arabia is at all significant-----do EGYPTIANS have
THE SAME MARKER? How about SYRIANS? How about jews from
LEBANON? some of them speak arabic-----but do not ID as "arabs"

 

[rupol2000]

Ok, you've drawn hyper-simplified concept to hide behind,

All complications are there only from confusion, which was due to the need for syncretism. For example, when the Arabs conquered the East, they were forced to incorporate many local paraphernalia and cults, through Zoroastrianism, which are actually even the older of Zoroastrianism itself. All these contradictions and difficulties are exclusively the fruits of politics, not ideas. Religion of this kind is generally reduced to politics, the whole philosophy of these religions is needed only to serve politics.

 

[irosie91]

All complications are there only from confusion, which was due to the need for syncretism. For example, when the Arabs conquered the East, they were forced to incorporate many local paraphernalia and cults, through Zoroastrianism, which are actually even the older of Zoroastrianism itself. All these contradictions and difficulties are exclusively the fruits of politics, not ideas. Religion of this kind is generally reduced to politics, the whole philosophy of these religions is needed only to serve politics.

what are the religions "of this kind".?

 

[rupol2000]

what it is and where it is, IS useful in understanding its significance
as a marker. I have never read anything on "the J marker"

This is not a school for the illiterate. Briefly. J(or R or I and so on) is the conventional name for a mutation by which a particular population of the Y chromosome is identified. Why the hell are you talk about this if you don't know anything about genealogy.

 

[rupol2000]

what are the religions "of this kind".?

religions of witness and prophets like Zoroastrianism and Abrahamism

 

[surada]

I though we were talking about Judaism,
if you want the 'general meaning', you won't get more 'general'
than this synthesis of humanist universalism and national particularism.

Wanna remain only particular, prepare to collapse into a general swirl of contradictions,
as most civilizations whom Jews witnessed go down into the dustbin of history.
That's just a simple principle of human character.

That's why Israel remains the only nation,
the rest return to 'earth families'.

What does that mean? Israel remains the only nation?

 

[Lysistrata]

My game is to –
convince the Israelis to repent.
Confess their past atrocities
Ask the Lord for forgiveness
And I am sure He will forgive them
If not, the writing is on the wall
-​

I was circumcised when I was a baby

Why are you so concerned with people in another religion than your own? From your comments, it is evident that your religion is not so hot. Why not reform it instead of bothering people of other religions? You seem to need to repent, confess your past atrocities, and ask for forgiveness. You're nothing special, kid.

 

[rupol2000]

what are the religions "of this kind".?

Or, in other words, religions of imperial expansion. This will be more accurate. Partially they were distributed by missionaries, then they were consolidated by the authorities.
This is fundamentally different from ancient religions, which simply reflected the traditions and beliefs of ancient peoples and did not serve imperial interests.
In fact, this is the religion of the priesthood, which claimed supreme power over large territories, including over the military stratum, and not just performers of religious rites.

 

[rylah]

What does that mean? Israel remains the only nation?

The rest return to 'earth families',
look at the collectivism in your Pan-Arab ideology,
your view of the Middle East is no different than white supremacy.

 

[surada]

The rest return to 'earth families',
look at the collectivism in your Pan-Arab ideology,
your view of the Middle East is no different than white supremacy.

Similar tendencies all around the continents.

You are too hung up on Pan Arabism. What are earth families?