A sobering question regarding US bombing Iran nuke program

[kyzr]

I wouldn't take Trump's words seriously at all. Just another clown.

Iran thought that too.

Because if you have wealth but don't have weapons - armed foreigners will come, kill you and take your wealth.

Only if you are a neighbor of Russia and not in NATO.

No. It was the USA who've been expanding its sphere of influence by military force. Russians just defend themselves.

Not by military force, countries ask to join NATO. No one attacked Russia. Russia wants to illegally capture Ukraine.

No. Ukraine is occupied by NATO.

Ukraine is independent since 1991, and is a member of the UN. Russia invaded and is occupying east Ukraine. NATO is not in Ukraine.

No. It is not about territory and never have been. We'll celebrate the victory after establishing the new system of the equal rights and equal safety.

Under Putin's brutal dictatorship. No thanks.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Tehran will respond by closing the Straits of Hormuz, putting you in gas lines again

Iran has no say and no power to do this

 

[Zavulon]

No, it just means your post means nothing in terms of what you quoted.

I said, that I think, that you subconsciously believe, that Iranians are not actual human beings, and they just follow orders of their Supreme Leader. It is simply not true. They are human beings and they have different understanding of their goals, their interests and the preferred ways to achieve their goals.

Try again.

Did you miss what I was saying ?

May be. Repeat in other words.

No, I won't. But, to be fair, when I say depopulate, I am not talking about 1/2 of the country. If I did want that, a conventional bombing campaign would do a great deal too.

Ok. Few 100 kt nuclear bombs even won't kill more than 1 mln of Iranians. Which is barely more than 1% of their population.

And I care why ?

Because the pro-nukes are insane. And if they want a bomb, they'll do what they can to get one. If you are saying the don't need group will now help them......it makes no difference to us.

Of course no. Given the difference in the fates of "no-nukes" Saddam and "having nukes" Kim - a nuclear bomb is the most effective way to achieve safety and true independence. And yes, you believe that Iranians want to have a bomb, because, in fact, it is the only rational thing they can do in their current circumstances. They got a bomb, they make a testing burst, Americans f#ck off.

Only in your dreams. They are depleting themselves over Ukraine. Even the EU is standing up to them.

As I said, we won't send regular conventional forces to Iran, not much. But we'll send them nukes.

Keep telling yourself that.

As you tell yourself that the Brits won't use American-made nukes against America.

 

[Zavulon]

Iran thought that too.

And if Iranians are smart - they won't even negotiate with Trump.

Only if you are a neighbor of Russia and not in NATO.

Really? Firstly, do you mean that all those countries the USA invaded in the recent decades were neighbours of Russia? Secondly, if you a member of NATO, Americans will try to take your wealth, too (as they do now, with 5% of GDP taxation on buying American made weapons). Third - NATO is exactly about "being armed".

Not by military force, countries ask to join NATO.

People of those countries asked nothing. Just another form of coerction.

No one attacked Russia.

Plain lie. They attacked Russian allies - DPR and LPR, which is equal to attack against Russia itself.

Russia wants to illegally capture Ukraine.

Of course no. The only thing Russia wants is equal safety and equal rights. Roll NATO back to 1997 borders and we'll talk. And no, people of the independent countries (former regions of Ukraine) willingly joined Russia.

Ukraine is independent since 1991, and is a member of the UN. Russia invaded and is occupying east Ukraine. NATO is not in Ukraine.

NATO hired Ukrainian Nazies, NATO is responsible for their actions, and NATO will pay for it.

Under Putin's brutal dictatorship. No thanks.

Ok. We should have suggested to demonstrate a good will. You refused our peace proposals and now you are responsible for all those deaths and destructions.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Which is barely more than 1% of their population.

You kill the right 1% and you're set.

 

[HikerGuy83]

As you tell yourself that the Brits won't use American-made nukes against America.

When did I say that ?

 

[GLASNOST]

Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Hands off Iran.

 

[Muhammed]

Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Hands off Iran.

No they don't.

 

[GLASNOST]

Iran has a right to nuclear weapons. Hands off Iran.

No they don't.

If anyone threatens me with a weapon they can expect a response. That's my right. That's Iran's right as well.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

I support using US military bombing Iran nuke site

But what if the bunker buster bomb fails to dtop Iran from building atomic warheads and achieving nuclear capability?

Even if we destroy their nuclear reactor are they far enough along already to assemble one or more nuclear warheads?

Iran had claimed in the past it moved enriched uranium from Fordow to other sites, as reported by the New York Times. The NYT report added that 880 pounds of enriched uranium had been removed to 60% purity, below the 90% needed for nuclear weapons. Some 60% enriched fuel was stored at the nuclear facility in Isfahan.


Satellite imagery taken days before US strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities showed trucks line up on the road adjacent to the facility, nestled in Iran’s mountains

 

[kyzr]

Really? Firstly, do you mean that all those countries the USA invaded in the recent decades were neighbours of Russia? Secondly, if you are a member of NATO, Americans will try to take your wealth, too (as they do now, with 5% of GDP taxation on buying American made weapons). Third - NATO is exactly about "being armed".

If the US invades a country its to remove a dictator and give the people their country back, unlike Russia.
Since 1990, Russia has invaded several countries, including Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova. Notable conflicts include the invasions of Ukraine in 2014 and 2022, the support of separatists in Georgia's Abkhazia and South Ossetia since 2008, and the occupation of Transnistria in Moldova since 1992. True, NATO is all about being armed, to keep Russia from invading.

People of those countries asked nothing. Just another form of coercion.

Not coercion, self-preservation. They ask to join NATO for collective defense.

Plain lie. They attacked Russian allies - DPR and LPR, which is equal to attack against Russia itself.

Plain lie. No one attacked DPR& LPR. They are/were part of Ukraine, not Russia.

Of course no. The only thing Russia wants is equal safety and equal rights. Roll NATO back to 1997 borders and we'll talk. And no, people of the independent countries (former regions of Ukraine) willingly joined Russia.

Russia wants a "Final Solution" for "Ukrainians". NATO doesn't roll back. Keep LPR & DPR and Crimea, but Ukraine wants no part of Russia's dictatorship.

NATO hired Ukrainian Nazies, NATO is responsible for their actions, and NATO will pay for it.

There are no Nazis, just Ukrainians fighting for their freedom from Russia. Helping Ukraine repel Russia's illegal invasion and violates the UN Charter

UN chief tells President Putin Russian invasion violates UN Charter

UN Secretary-General António Guterres reiterated in a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday that his country’s on-going invasion of Ukraine violates the United Nations Charter and international law.

news.un.org

Ukraine is independent since 1991, and is a member of the UN. Russia invaded and is occupying east Ukraine. NATO is not in Ukraine.

Ok. We should have suggested to demonstrate a good will. You refused our peace proposals and now you are responsible for all the death and destruction.

Trump said last week 7,000 died fighting in Ukraine. Those deaths are on Putin.

 

[GLASNOST]

If the US invades a country its to remove a dictator and give the people their country back, .....

That is the most childish response I've seen in decades. Only an American can be so stupid.

 

[kyzr]

That is the most childish response I've seen in decades. Only an American can be so stupid.

Your post says nothing.
The US invaded AFG, Iraq, Kosovo, Grenada, and Syria, so tell me what countries we did not turn back over to the locals.

If we take Panama, Cuba, and Greenland, then wag your finger.

 

[GLASNOST]

Your post says nothing.
The US invaded AFG, Iraq, Kosovo, Grenada, and Syria, so tell me what countries we did not turn back over to the locals.

If we take Panama, Cuba, and Greenland, then wag your finger.

Stop being such a child.

 

[Blisterfinger]

Right wing podcasts are meaningless.

Did you think you were informing anyone with all that empty simplistic speculation?

Right wing podcasts are little better than X posts as news sources.

Armstrong and Getty are extremely informative and humorous. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stay ignorant my friend stay ignorant.

 

[Muhammed]

Iran had claimed in the past it moved enriched uranium from Fordow to other sites, as reported by the New York Times. The NYT report added that 880 pounds of enriched uranium had been removed to 60% purity, below the 90% needed for nuclear weapons. Some 60% enriched fuel was stored at the nuclear facility in Isfahan.


Satellite imagery taken days before US strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities showed trucks line up on the road adjacent to the facility, nestled in Iran’s mountains

Those were a bunch of dump trucks. They were used for moving massive amounts Earth into the entrance in preparation for a missile attack on the blast doors. They were beefing up the facility. You can tell from the photos that they were moving a lot of material.

 

[Zavulon]

You kill the right 1% and you're set.

The problem is, state-essensial 1%, if not totally stupid, already evacuated and/or sheltered.

 

[sparky]

i get this feeling we're being played here......~S~

 

[Rigby5]

I support using US military bombing Iran nuke site

But what if the bunker buster bomb fails to dtop Iran from building atomic warheads and achieving nuclear capability?

Even if we destroy their nuclear reactor are they far enough along already to assemble one or more nuclear warheads?

First of all, it is not only illegal to bomb Iran's nuke sites, but immoral since the 1953 US takeover of Iran and the 2003 invasion of Iraq on WMD lies, prove all countries have a right to develop nuclear deterrents.

Second is that the bunker buster attack could not possibly have succeeded, since Iran knew exactly what our bunker buster capabilities were and simply exceeded them.
In fact, by tunneling sideways, their facilities could have been anywhere, and impossible to hit.

And nuclear reactors have nothing to do with enriching uranium ore enough to make efficient bombs.
They already easily can do that, and the main enrichment device is a tiny centrifuge, not a huge reactor.
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Uranium enrichment methods include gas centrifugation, gaseous diffusion, and laser isotope separation, each with distinct processes and applications in nuclear energy and weapons.
...}

 

[Zavulon]

If the US invades a country its to remove a dictator and give the people their country back, unlike Russia.

Plain lie. They also steal local resources - oil, gas, bananas, etc... And this exactly why independent countries need to be well armed (including nuclear weapons).

Since 1990, Russia has invaded several countries, including Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova. Notable conflicts include the invasions of Ukraine in 2014 and 2022, the support of separatists in Georgia's Abkhazia and South Ossetia since 2008, and the occupation of Transnistria in Moldova since 1992. True, NATO is all about being armed, to keep Russia from invading.

Ok. That is the very reason why Iran should be armed, too. To prevent his neighbours - Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, America, Europe, China, whovever else, from invading and taking their wealth.

Not coercion, self-preservation. They ask to join NATO for collective defense.

Bla-bla-bla.

Plain lie. No one attacked DPR& LPR. They are/were part of Ukraine, not Russia.

No. They are parts of Russia.

Russia wants a "Final Solution" for "Ukrainians".

There are no any "Ukrainians".

NATO doesn't roll back.

It will. One way, or another.

Keep LPR & DPR and Crimea, but Ukraine wants no part of Russia's dictatorship.

Let's ask Ukrainians themselves after elimination of the occupation Kievan regime, what they actually prefer - to live in Russia, or to die for America.

There are no Nazis, just Ukrainians fighting for their freedom from Russia.

Plain lie. There are Nazies, even US Congress recognised it.

Helping Ukraine repel Russia's illegal invasion and violates the UN Charter

UN chief tells President Putin Russian invasion violates UN Charter

UN Secretary-General António Guterres reiterated in a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday that his country’s on-going invasion of Ukraine violates the United Nations Charter and international law.

news.un.org

Ukraine is independent since 1991, and is a member of the UN. Russia invaded and is occupying east Ukraine. NATO is not in Ukraine.

If you think, that independence means the right to kill Russians - think one more time.

Trump said last week 7,000 died fighting in Ukraine. Those deaths are on Putin.

Millions (may be hundreds of millions) will die soon. And all those deaths will be on you.