Iran's nuclear constraints were more diplomatic than technical...Nuclear scientists say risk of country building a bomb has only grown

[JoeB131]

That's a lie.
Jared and Witkopf offered Iran free nuclear fuel if they would not enrich uranium, Iran said no, they want a bomb, period. They admitted having 440 kg of 60% enriched uranium, weeks away from bomb grade.
The missiles that attacked Diego Garcia had a range of 3,000 miles, weeks away from ICBMs.

Trump decided that it was time to end Iran's nuclear ambitions. You're welcome.

Actually, they said nothing of the sort. The Iranians were willing to suspend ALL nuclear activities.

The Jews wanted a War, and what the Jews want, the Jews get.

 

[sparky]

Obama had it right.

buying them only delayed the inevitable Joe

~S~

 

[kyzr]

Actually, they said nothing of the sort. The Iranians were willing to suspend ALL nuclear activities.

LIAR. You can type lies, links prove it.

MSN

"Witkoff also claimed that he and Kushner, on behalf of the US, offered to provide Iran nuclear fuel for the next decade on the condition it was not used for any weapons program."
“They rejected that, which told us at that very moment that they had no — no notion of doing anything other than retaining enrichment for the purpose of weaponizing.”

“They were proud of it,” Witkoff went on. “They were proud that they had evaded all sorts of oversight protocols to get to a place where they could deliver 11 nuclear bombs.”

The Jews wanted a War, and what the Jews want, the Jews get.

Israel wanted an Iran with no nukes, so did Trump. Iran was weeks away from having bomb grade uranium

 

[JoeB131]

buying them only delayed the inevitable Joe

~S~

Or it was putting them on the right path.

Why do you think Iran wants nukes? They want nukes because we have nukes, the Zionists have Nukes, etc.

A nuke is the ulimate protector of national sovereignty.

No one messes with North Korea? Economically, the country is a basket case, but they have nukes, so the world handles it with care.

Now, if Trump hadn't torn up JCPOA, we could have slowly normalized relations with Iran. Countries that engage in trade don't go to war. Or as the old joke goes, we've never gone to war with a country that has a McDonald's.

 

[sparky]

Or it was putting them on the right path.

Why do you think Iran wants nukes? They want nukes because we have nukes, the Zionists have Nukes, etc.

A nuke is the ulimate protector of national sovereignty.

No one messes with North Korea? Economically, the country is a basket case, but they have nukes, so the world handles it with care.

Now, if Trump hadn't torn up JCPOA, we could have slowly normalized relations with Iran. Countries that engage in trade don't go to war. Or as the old joke goes, we've never gone to war with a country that has a McDonald's.

while you make a valid point, our history needs to be considered Joe

there is a dif betwixt the USofA in Asia vs. the Middle east

Trump's 'kiss ass' level of diplomacy just tanked an 80yr relationship, the sultans are backing Mr Z, Qatar wants it's jet back.....it's not going well.....~S~

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

The article begins:
“Nuclear weapons experts are warning that the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran, ostensibly launched to prevent the country from obtaining nuclear weapons, may have instead made an Iranian bomb more likely.”

 

[Cassandro]

That is because prior to the war, Iran was held back not by technical constraints but diplomatic considerations, say two nuclear weapons experts who were involved in past U.S. efforts to sanction and contain the country.

What diplomatic considerations?

 

[Rawley]

As Ronald Reagan once said, "Trust, but verify".

JCPOA allowed inspections of Iranian Nuclear sites by the IAEA and monitoring by a committee of six nations (The US, China, Russia, Germany, France, and the UK).

Five of those nations were perfectly happy with Iran's compliance. The US was happy as well, until Cheeto Hitler decided that he didn't like JCPOA because Obama negotiated it, and Obama made fun of him once.

Now we are in a war, we have no way out, and nothing is keeping Iran from making bombs. In fact, if anything, they have pretty good motivation to make them now.

Does it ever give you a twinge of guilt that you are cheering for the bad guys, solely based on your hatred of "Cheeto Hitler" and the Jews?

 

[Rawley]

The article begins:
“Nuclear weapons experts are warning that the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran, ostensibly launched to prevent the country from obtaining nuclear weapons, may have instead made an Iranian bomb more likely.”

You probably should take the opinion's of Obama administration "experts" with a grain of salt.

 

[markef]

Maybe Americans and Jews shouldn't be sticking their noses in their part of the world.

Americans are forced, as you say 'to stick our noses in other parts of the world' because others in the world stick their noses in America and some of them do some things.

 

[Invisibleflash]

The more I read and hear, the more this war seems counter-productive. They replaced an older man with a younger guy who is more interested in the nuke. Iran is cutting off oil to increase the price signficantly and the Russian sanctions have been lifted. Trump took a huge risk getting involved in this, especially after the success already with the bombing of Irans nuke sites which he could have rode for his legacy. Iran must not have a nuke but with China and Russia supporting them and the West unwilling to confront China I do not know how this could ever be seen as a quick war without serious planning.already in place. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iran-nuclear-bomb-united-states-war-9.7147664.
Nuclear weapons experts are warning that the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran, ostensibly launched to prevent the country from obtaining nuclear weapons, may have instead made an Iranian bomb more likely.

That is because prior to the war, Iran was held back not by technical constraints but diplomatic considerations, say two nuclear weapons experts who were involved in past U.S. efforts to sanction and contain the country.

Those diplomatic calculations have changed.

YT channels seem to think Jews / USA have set off a golden age for nukes. Countries can see they are not safe from attack unless they are a nuclear power. Iran knows if Jews back down they will just reload and keep coming back again and again until Iran is destroyed. Nukes solve that problem. Orange Hitler will only stop when force and pain is applied.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The more I read and hear, the more this war seems counter-productive. They replaced an older man with a younger guy who is more interested in the nuke. Iran is cutting off oil to increase the price signficantly and the Russian sanctions have been lifted. Trump took a huge risk getting involved in this, especially after the success already with the bombing of Irans nuke sites which he could have rode for his legacy. Iran must not have a nuke but with China and Russia supporting them and the West unwilling to confront China I do not know how this could ever be seen as a quick war without serious planning.already in place. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/iran-nuclear-bomb-united-states-war-9.7147664.
Nuclear weapons experts are warning that the U.S.-Israeli war on Iran, ostensibly launched to prevent the country from obtaining nuclear weapons, may have instead made an Iranian bomb more likely.

That is because prior to the war, Iran was held back not by technical constraints but diplomatic considerations, say two nuclear weapons experts who were involved in past U.S. efforts to sanction and contain the country.

Those diplomatic calculations have changed.

Wait, so you admit we killed the guy who had no interest in building a nuke

Interesting

 

[shockedcanadian]

Wait, so you admit we killed the guy who had no interest in building a nuke

Interesting

I am suggesting that the older man may not be as radical as his replacement. The jury is out still obviously.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am suggesting that the older man may not be as radical as his replacement. The jury is out still obviously.

They never build an atomic bomb in the 37 years that they were "2 weeks away" and now you act surprised

You see why I think Trump is either mental, bribed or blackmailed, right. His Intel Agencies told him EXACTLY that Iran has no interest in building a nuke and is not a threat to the USA. And we sneak attacked while pretending to "negotiate". This after our "Greatest Ally" assassinated the last negotiating team in Doha

 

[JoeB131]

while you make a valid point, our history needs to be considered Joe

there is a dif betwixt the USofA in Asia vs. the Middle east

Trump's 'kiss ass' level of diplomacy just tanked an 80yr relationship, the sultans are backing Mr Z, Qatar wants it's jet back.....it's not going well.....~S~

Actually, there was no good reason to drop atomic bombs on Japan in WWII. The Japanese were already on the verge of surrender, and the entry of the USSR into the Pacific War sealed their fate.

Now, I am sure that a lot of our "Allies" in the region see us murdering Muslims for no good reason, and frankly SHOULD be reconsidering the relationship.

 

[sparky]

Actually, there was no good reason to drop atomic bombs on Japan in WWII. The Japanese were already on the verge of surrender, and the entry of the USSR into the Pacific War sealed their fate.

well that's a debate that'll go on forever Joe, how many generals disagreed?

Now, I am sure that a lot of our "Allies" in the region see us murdering Muslims for no good reason, and frankly SHOULD be reconsidering the relationship.

we did cultivate one, but i question it's validity Joe, these people see us as infidels, subhuman, satan's spawn, etc

the heart of theocracies being conditioning ......i'm sure i don't need to explain that to you

ergo, an exercise in futility......~S~

 

[JoeB131]

well that's a debate that'll go on forever Joe, how many generals disagreed?

Quite a few of them, actually. Eisenhower and MacArthur both wrote in their memoirs that they thought the use of the bombs was unnecessary.

Now, I will qualify that with a few caveats, that they wrote this in the 1950s, when the specter of Nuclear War haunted us all. (I kind of suspect that at the time, it was just seen as another weapon.)

Here's the key thing. before the Bombs, the US was demanding unconditional surrender, including holding the Emperor accountable.

Then we dropped the bombs and the USSR entered the war. But we also dropped our demands on Hirohito, who went on to keep his job and died in 1987 without ever being held accountable for his role in the war.

You see, the real prize in the Pacific Theater wasn't Japan, it was China. About half of China was still under Japanese occupation, but the Soviets were quickly rolling through Manchuria, and had the war gone on, they'd have taken all of Korea and much of Northern China as well. And they had a perfectly credible alternative leader in Mao Zedong.

So accepting Japan's surrender was also an attempt to save Chiang Kai-sheks failed regime.

we did cultivate one, but i question it's validity Joe, these people see us as infidels, subhuman, satan's spawn, etc

the heart of theocracies being conditioning ......i'm sure i don't need to explain that to you

ergo, an exercise in futility......~S~

I think you are engaging in a lot of demonizing here, to be honest. If Iran doesn't like us, they have good reasons. We installed the Shah, we've spent the last 47 years screwing with them over it. Oh, yeah, and we prop up Israel.

 

[sparky]

I think you are engaging in a lot of demonizing here, to be honest. If Iran doesn't like us, they have good reasons.

got a minute Joe?


~S~

 

[JoeB131]

got a minute Joe?

I really don't have time for an Islamophobic idiot like Hitchens.

 

[Ancient lion]