CDZ A Rare Opportunity to Reform Corrupt Government

[DonaldFG]

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Yes, I saw his supporters carrying his signs when they crashed Trump's rallies.

How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago

Those are not the Bernie crowds. Check his rallies to see his crowds.

 

[DonaldFG]

Indeed. What's not to like? This candidate speaks for the good of our nation and is not in the pockets of the rich and powerful.

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Trump is the rich and powerful, you silly. He does not care about our country or you or me.

I disagree Jake. He cares more about our country than any of the other career politicians. He cares about the influx of illegal immigrants into our society, the status of our military and veterans, the imbalance of our trade deficits with other countries, etc. His business interests are pretty much in the casino and tourism industries and it would be hard pressed to find an area where he will make a ton of money off any trade deals with other countries or off any Bill that he might influence into getting through Congress that would help his particular business interests. Your other politicians however, are well within the deep pockets of Wall Street and other special interest groups. They are owned, Trump is not. You will have to show me exactly where and by whom Donald Trump is obligated to.

Trump incites people to riot. That is not Presidential. Frankly, I have not heard him say anything that is. No, heil Trump from me.

No, paid political operatives are being "incited" to riot. Trump is simply being Trump. Love him or hate him the one thing you can not blame on him is the rioting. That is Moveon.org and all of their various minions attempting to disrupt the American political process by bringing back the tactics of the Nazi Brownshirts.

MoveOn.org does not incite violence, nor does Bernie. But Trump does almost everyday!

 

[the_human_being]

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Yes, I saw his supporters carrying his signs when they crashed Trump's rallies.

How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago

Those are not the Bernie crowds. Check his rallies to see his crowds.

Well, that is what MSNBC reported them to be but I do realize you know better than they.

 

[DonaldFG]

Trump is the rich and powerful, you silly. He does not care about our country or you or me.

I disagree Jake. He cares more about our country than any of the other career politicians. He cares about the influx of illegal immigrants into our society, the status of our military and veterans, the imbalance of our trade deficits with other countries, etc. His business interests are pretty much in the casino and tourism industries and it would be hard pressed to find an area where he will make a ton of money off any trade deals with other countries or off any Bill that he might influence into getting through Congress that would help his particular business interests. Your other politicians however, are well within the deep pockets of Wall Street and other special interest groups. They are owned, Trump is not. You will have to show me exactly where and by whom Donald Trump is obligated to.

Trump incites people to riot. That is not Presidential. Frankly, I have not heard him say anything that is. No, heil Trump from me.

Obama has said racist things too but you give him a pass. Sanders and Clinton have said racist things as well. Trump just draws larger crowds. It is most often Sanders supporters who are the most violent protesters showing up and showing their collective asses at Trump rallies. Try a little honesty once in a while. I guarantee you that it won't hurt you.

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Well- first of all you would need to have activists on the right going to his rallies, shouting at him so he could not speak, but that has not happened.
Seems political activists on the right believe in Sanders right to speak and promote more Socialism, even though they absolutely loath it.

I really don't think that is it. More likely people come to Trump rallies for the circus effects, and violence is a part of the circus.

 

[the_human_being]

Indeed. What's not to like? This candidate speaks for the good of our nation and is not in the pockets of the rich and powerful.

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Trump is the rich and powerful, you silly. He does not care about our country or you or me.

I disagree Jake. He cares more about our country than any of the other career politicians. He cares about the influx of illegal immigrants into our society, the status of our military and veterans, the imbalance of our trade deficits with other countries, etc. His business interests are pretty much in the casino and tourism industries and it would be hard pressed to find an area where he will make a ton of money off any trade deals with other countries or off any Bill that he might influence into getting through Congress that would help his particular business interests. Your other politicians however, are well within the deep pockets of Wall Street and other special interest groups. They are owned, Trump is not. You will have to show me exactly where and by whom Donald Trump is obligated to.

Trump incites people to riot. That is not Presidential. Frankly, I have not heard him say anything that is. No, heil Trump from me.

No, paid political operatives are being "incited" to riot. Trump is simply being Trump. Love him or hate him the one thing you can not blame on him is the rioting. That is Moveon.org and all of their various minions attempting to disrupt the American political process by bringing back the tactics of the Nazi Brownshirts.

MoveOn.org does not incite violence, nor does Bernie. But Trump does almost everyday!

Again, I realize you are better qualified to make the call than were the MSNBC professional journalists.

 

[the_human_being]

I disagree Jake. He cares more about our country than any of the other career politicians. He cares about the influx of illegal immigrants into our society, the status of our military and veterans, the imbalance of our trade deficits with other countries, etc. His business interests are pretty much in the casino and tourism industries and it would be hard pressed to find an area where he will make a ton of money off any trade deals with other countries or off any Bill that he might influence into getting through Congress that would help his particular business interests. Your other politicians however, are well within the deep pockets of Wall Street and other special interest groups. They are owned, Trump is not. You will have to show me exactly where and by whom Donald Trump is obligated to.

Trump incites people to riot. That is not Presidential. Frankly, I have not heard him say anything that is. No, heil Trump from me.

Obama has said racist things too but you give him a pass. Sanders and Clinton have said racist things as well. Trump just draws larger crowds. It is most often Sanders supporters who are the most violent protesters showing up and showing their collective asses at Trump rallies. Try a little honesty once in a while. I guarantee you that it won't hurt you.

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Well- first of all you would need to have activists on the right going to his rallies, shouting at him so he could not speak, but that has not happened.
Seems political activists on the right believe in Sanders right to speak and promote more Socialism, even though they absolutely loath it.

I really don't think that is it. More likely people come to Trump rallies for the circus effects, and violence is a part of the circus.

I have already stated twice that you know more about it than does the professional MSNBC journalists. What else need I say to satisfy your self-flattery?

 

[DonaldFG]

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Yes, I saw his supporters carrying his signs when they crashed Trump's rallies.

How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago

Those are not the Bernie crowds. Check his rallies to see his crowds.

Well, that is what MSNBC reported them to be but I do realize you know better than they.

Remember that MSNBC is a part of the military-industrial-media empire. They have an agenda against any form of democratic government. So don't expect comprehensive reports and factual information. Mass media delivers propaganda spiked news.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Now the Trumphettes are accepting MSNBC as a legitimate news outlet.

 

[there4eyeM]

The opportunity is not rare. Every two years, the electorate could 'clean House'. It doesn't get done, indicating that voters don't care.

 

[DonaldFG]

Now the Trumphettes are accepting MSNBC as a legitimate news outlet.

Yeah! Isn't that a laugh.

 

[DonaldFG]

The opportunity is not rare. Every two years, the electorate could 'clean House'. It doesn't get done, indicating that voters don't care.

No, voters care. It's just that they are being channelled. They know that their intentions are being misdirected, and are losing faith in the system.

This is exactly why I say that they now have a rare (should I say extremely rare) opportunity to force a change in course in politics by electing Senator Bernie Sanders President of the United States. Bernie is ready to make the changes we need.

 

[Elvis Obama]

After watching over the past half-century a disappointing parade of candidates running for U.S. President, I am finally hearing one not speaking the usual gobbledegook but actually making sense. And the usual embedded and implied lies are not there for this candidate. His past record as a public servant is there for all to see if they look, and this record is remarkable for its consistency.

Although he has been re-elected by his home state many times as an Independent candidate for both houses of Congress, Senator Bernie Sanders is currently running as a Democrat. That is pretty much what he had to do because of the way the so-called two party system is organized. An Independent or third party candidate has a much more difficult time getting on all the state ballots. Although they allowed him to run as a Democrat, it is apparent that their leadership is astonished and anxious by his success in the Democratic Primaries so far. They thought they had their anointed one already. And they are still trying to make it so.

Take away Secretary Clinton's super-delegates and we see there is not that much difference in the results so far. So for Democrats, here is an opportunity we have not seen for many decades to change the course of our government's policy to better meet the needs of average citizens while starting to ease off the concerns of the rich and powerful.

Fellow citizens, think hard and strong about how you will vote in the coming primaries. I have never witnessed this level of possibility for real change in my lifetime. Above all vote. And make your vote have real possibilities for the future and the success of our nation. This is not a sit by and watch election!

So your thesis is that Bernie is the man? That's nice.

Basically you say there is an opportunity for positive change? That's true, a great responsibility and opportunity. Unfortunately there's also nothing behind any of it. A corrupt campaign finance system? Yeah, so? Whatta ya gonna do, Bernie, Mr. Smartie Pants? What can be done to repair a system, when you need the consent of the corrupt to affect any systemic reforms? The foxes are guarding the hen house. How is Bernie gonna get them out?

Bernie or an orange ape? Bernie wins. Bernie v Hillary? Who cares. Just like Trump or Cruz is "who cares". My only concern is whether HRC is more electable than the Bern. I have no idea. I could make a case for either being equally bad. We need a champion to go into the arena for us to slay a big monkey. Who can we trust with this sacred job? The one with the low approval ratings and the trust issues? The one who admits she's no a naturally gifted politician (Ya think, Hillary )? Or is it da Bern, whose base seems to believe that real change can be effected by setting a personal example? Like in a Capra movie? Neither will accomplish anything. Which one can kill the monkey?

 

[the_human_being]

Have you seen Bernie's crowds? And Bernie does not incite to riot, or to any violence.

Yes, I saw his supporters carrying his signs when they crashed Trump's rallies.

How Bernie Sanders supporters shut down a Donald Trump rally in Chicago

Those are not the Bernie crowds. Check his rallies to see his crowds.

Well, that is what MSNBC reported them to be but I do realize you know better than they.

Remember that MSNBC is a part of the military-industrial-media empire. They have an agenda against any form of democratic government. So don't expect comprehensive reports and factual information. Mass media delivers propaganda spiked news.

Apparently there is just no way I can satisfy you. I have even called you more knowledgeable than professionals but you are still argumentative. I tend to try to appease Liberals because I realize how they are so prone to violence.

 

[the_human_being]

Clinton And Soros Are Behind Violent Riots At Trump Rallies, Not Sanders

 

[the_human_being]

BOOM: 90% of Chicago Cops Send Stunning Message to Donald Trump

 

[the_human_being]

Support for Hillary Tanks in Military

 

[DonaldFG]

So your thesis is that Bernie is the man? That's nice.

Basically you say there is an opportunity for positive change? That's true, a great responsibility and opportunity. Unfortunately there's also nothing behind any of it. A corrupt campaign finance system? Yeah, so? Whatta ya gonna do, Bernie, Mr. Smartie Pants? What can be done to repair a system, when you need the consent of the corrupt to affect any systemic reforms? The foxes are guarding the hen house. How is Bernie gonna get them out?

Bernie or an orange ape? Bernie wins. Bernie v Hillary? Who cares. Just like Trump or Cruz is "who cares". My only concern is whether HRC is more electable than the Bern. I have no idea. I could make a case for either being equally bad. We need a champion to go into the arena for us to slay a big monkey. Who can we trust with this sacred job? The one with the low approval ratings and the trust issues? The one who admits she's no a naturally gifted politician (Ya think, Hillary )? Or is it da Bern, whose base seems to believe that real change can be effected by setting a personal example? Like in a Capra movie? Neither will accomplish anything. Which one can kill the monkey?

Franklin Roosevelt did it. Why can't Bernie? Someone has to, but Hillary - not likely. Certainly not Trump.

Senator Warren has already made some progress, and continues to. As President, Bernie would probably enjoy considerable coat tails with his election sweeping supporters into Congress. Even without that, there is much a President can do from his high office.

Obama sweaped into office with both houses of Congress, but he didn't sufficiently follow up. Bernie will.

 

[the_human_being]

The Communist Party now Officially Supports the Democrat Party - Eagle Rising

 

[Elvis Obama]

So your thesis is that Bernie is the man? That's nice.

Basically you say there is an opportunity for positive change? That's true, a great responsibility and opportunity. Unfortunately there's also nothing behind any of it. A corrupt campaign finance system? Yeah, so? Whatta ya gonna do, Bernie, Mr. Smartie Pants? What can be done to repair a system, when you need the consent of the corrupt to affect any systemic reforms? The foxes are guarding the hen house. How is Bernie gonna get them out?

Bernie or an orange ape? Bernie wins. Bernie v Hillary? Who cares. Just like Trump or Cruz is "who cares". My only concern is whether HRC is more electable than the Bern. I have no idea. I could make a case for either being equally bad. We need a champion to go into the arena for us to slay a big monkey. Who can we trust with this sacred job? The one with the low approval ratings and the trust issues? The one who admits she's no a naturally gifted politician (Ya think, Hillary )? Or is it da Bern, whose base seems to believe that real change can be effected by setting a personal example? Like in a Capra movie? Neither will accomplish anything. Which one can kill the monkey?

Franklin Roosevelt did it. Why can't Bernie? Someone has to, but Hillary - not likely. Certainly not Trump.

Senator Warren has already made some progress, and continues to. As President, Bernie would probably enjoy considerable coat tails with his election sweeping supporters into Congress. Even without that, there is much a President can do from his high office.

Obama sweaped into office with both houses of Congress, but he didn't sufficiently follow up. Bernie will.

Crisis = opportunity. FDR has crises galore. He still couldn't pack the SC, and met with considerable resistance to everything he wanted to do. What he had, and Obama lacks, was a second class intellect and a first class temperament. Obama has a first class intellect and a second class temperament. The Garland appointment was smart, putting the Republican leadership in an uncomfortable position. They have a dozen Senate seats up for grabs, and that makes their usual obstructionism a bit more embarrassing and costly than usual.

Will it be enough to close the deal? There are cracks, and months in which to keep the pressure on, but I expect that the polls will decide this. If the Pubs continue to have this level of internal dissent and do a Shakespearean build-up to the convention, when knives will be in the air, they could make their doom obvious. Then what? In the face of a looming Hillary, Garland will seem a safe choice. If Trump and Cruz merge, blob-like, and start to rampage throughout the country, maybe the Pubs sit on their hands and pray.

So, Bernie. Is he Obama or FDR? Caution or ball of steel? Not unimportant, but not principally important either. He needs a Congress more than he needs good old American moxy. He needs a crisis to get behind and push. He can't have one. The crisis he needs cannot exist. If, for example, Miami were to find itself under water, Bernie could use that crisis to push for real climate change initiatives. If he had enough congressional peckers in his pocket and the ability to masterfully exploit the bully pulpit, he might just get it done. A crisis with a military solution? A 9/11? What would that do for Bernie? Nothing. There's no opportunity there.

Bernie can't have a crisis because there's no such thing as a campaign finance reform crisis. There's no such thing as an income inequality crisis. Reinstate Glass-Steagall? Hell yes, but how? The problem with a Bernie presidency is that he can claim his mandate, but unless he has a super-majority he'll accomplish nothing. I'm uncertain that he can master the Dems, let alone make a dent in Republican obstructionism.

Bernie/Warren? Hillary/Warren? Now that's a couple of really interesting possibilities. Could be game changers. Could generate coattails, but it's just speculation piled on speculation. I can't predict anything about 2016.

 

[oldsoul]

So your thesis is that Bernie is the man? That's nice.

Basically you say there is an opportunity for positive change? That's true, a great responsibility and opportunity. Unfortunately there's also nothing behind any of it. A corrupt campaign finance system? Yeah, so? Whatta ya gonna do, Bernie, Mr. Smartie Pants? What can be done to repair a system, when you need the consent of the corrupt to affect any systemic reforms? The foxes are guarding the hen house. How is Bernie gonna get them out?

Bernie or an orange ape? Bernie wins. Bernie v Hillary? Who cares. Just like Trump or Cruz is "who cares". My only concern is whether HRC is more electable than the Bern. I have no idea. I could make a case for either being equally bad. We need a champion to go into the arena for us to slay a big monkey. Who can we trust with this sacred job? The one with the low approval ratings and the trust issues? The one who admits she's no a naturally gifted politician (Ya think, Hillary )? Or is it da Bern, whose base seems to believe that real change can be effected by setting a personal example? Like in a Capra movie? Neither will accomplish anything. Which one can kill the monkey?

Franklin Roosevelt did it. Why can't Bernie? Someone has to, but Hillary - not likely. Certainly not Trump.

Senator Warren has already made some progress, and continues to. As President, Bernie would probably enjoy considerable coat tails with his election sweeping supporters into Congress. Even without that, there is much a President can do from his high office.

Obama sweaped into office with both houses of Congress, but he didn't sufficiently follow up. Bernie will.

Very few of Roosevelt's (I am assuming you mean FDR) policies had any effect until WWII. So, would it not be fair to say that Hitler had as much to do with ending the Great Depression as FDR? Before you go all psycho on me and call me a Nazi or something, really think about it. What was the defining moment that changed the course to end the Depression? Was it WWII or can you make a plausible case for some other event?