Debate Now A Hard Look at the MAGA Movement

[Mac-7]

No, we need to properly process the people who apply for it, so it takes 180 days instead of 8 years.

We should renounce any treaties that globalists use as their excuse for packing America with foreigners

Then stop the family reunification program

We can still allow for immigration, but not under the generous terms we have had since 1965

In your case it will be impractical to deport everyone or turn down every request of “war brides” already living in the US

But only after we stop the bleeding at the border

 

[Blisterfinger]

Whenever I hear a Trump supporter scream "Make America Great Again", I ask them when America stopped being great.

They never seem to have an answer for that one.

Barack Obama fundamentally changed America to being not so great anymore

 

[JoeB131]

We should renounce any treaties that globalists use as their excuse for packing America with foreigners

Um, no, actually, those treaties protect our citizens when they travel overseas.

Then stop the family reunification program

Um, no. Probably hard to do that. Once they become citizens, they can sponsor someone else.

We can still allow for immigration, but not under the generous terms we have had since 1965

Why not? Frankly, if anything, we probably need more immigrants because Americans aren't reproducing at replacement rates.

In your case it will be impractical to deport everyone or turn down every request of “war brides” already living in the US

But only after we stop the bleeding at the border

You must have been one of those kids who kept touching the stove after you were told not to.

My wife got her permanent residency card today, I know that just burns you up.

 

[JoeB131]

Barack Obama fundamentally changed America to being not so great anymore

How did he do that? Give specifics!

I mean other than being a black man who accomplished more than you ever will.

 

[Mac-7]

Um, no, actually, those treaties protect our citizens when they travel overseas.

No

The treaties mandating the treatment of refugees have nothing to do with American citizens on vacation

 

[Mac-7]

Um, no. Probably hard to do that. Once they become citizens, they can sponsor someone else.

That is covered by rules that can be changed

 

[Blisterfinger]

How did he do that? Give specifics!

I mean other than being a black man who accomplished more than you ever will.

The worst ever who gave birth to Joe Biden the buffoon

 

[The Duke]

That's not what this is about.

We know what that is like if you travel to places like South America or Africa.

This is about why we need to make her "great again" and what that looks like.

Okay. A household can get by and live with 1 man working a decent job, you can own your home,
Taxes and electricity and maintenance is all affordable. You can afford several children, the wife can
stay home and be an excellent homemaker if that what she wants to do. AND you can own either an RV
or boat and take a 2-week vacation once a year.
All that has to happen for that to be a reality again is for government to get out of the peoples' pockets.
Also, cops used to be good guys and had discretion on the things they did.
Cops are no longer good guys, they're just "Law enforcement" now, so whatever some possibly dumbass law has been put into place by probably an idiot, they are going to enforce to the Nth degree or their superiors are going to give them hell. That's not good, and it doesn't lead to good things. It doesn't lead to trust in the law or harmony in the community, either.

 

[Flopper]

Those are all good ideas that will not interfere with the wall, combined with electronic monitoring, quick reaction patrols, and same-day deportations

Hopefully if we actually did stop most of them from coming, we wouldn't need as much boarder security.

 

[The Duke]

How did he do that? Give specifics!

I mean other than being a black man who accomplished more than you ever will.

Had more riots during his terms than the previous 4 decades combined, retard.

Look it up, guy. 1968 to 2008-2016

 

[Flopper]

Over 10 milion on Bin Bidens watch. Asylum claim needs to go away. Its BS

They are working here with fake ids and SSNs. They have been doing it since Reagan.

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Removing the concept of asylum could be done but it would be difficult. The US Constitution does not mention asylum, but the right to seek asylum is a recognized human right protected by US law. The right is enshrined in other documents also. The fact that the US has lead the charge to establish asylum as a human right plus pressuring other countries to guarantee it in law would make very difficult to remove.

I believe removing it would be kneejerk that we would regret. Asylum was granted to Cuban freedom fighters when Castro came to power and it was used save the lives of thousands of Afghans who worked with and for the US in the fight against Taliban. It is recognized a basic human right and we should not deny it because we can't control our borders. Modification of the law and policies on temporary basis seem much more appropriate.

 

[eagle1462010]

Removing the concept of asylum could be done but it would be difficult. The US Constitution does not mention asylum, but the right to seek asylum is a recognized human right protected by US law. The right is enshrined in other documents also. The fact that the US has lead the charge to establish asylum as a human right plus pressuring other countries to guarantee it in law would make very difficult to remove.

I believe removing it would be kneejerk that we would regret. Asylum was granted to Cuban freedom fighters when Castro came to power and it was used save the lives of thousands of Afghans who worked with and for the US in the fight against Taliban. It is recognized a basic human right and we should not deny it because we can't control our borders. Modification of the law and policies on temporary basis seem much more appropriate.

It is MASSIVE ABUSE

 

[Flopper]

I know we are being overrun with aliens who take more than they give in return

We should still accept skilled immigrants along with their wife and children but no extended family

And we need a moratorium on asylum seekers

Moratoriums on asylum don't work Trump tried it and failed.

What is causing a major problem is not the number of asylum seekers accepted into the US but rather the huge number that are applying.

It's very difficult to make it through the asylum granting process unless you have plenty of money to hire and immigration law. If an adult without dependents show up at the US border asking for asylum, his or her chances of making through the preliminary testing is about half that of a family. 75% of those that pass the preliminary testing are families.

After passing the preliminary test by border security, the applicant will be detained from two to 6 weeks waiting to present their case to an immigration agent. The agent will listen to the applicant's case and ask question to see if the applicant meets the asylum requirement and is telling the truth. The agent will analysis the case and questions and answers and make a decision. At this point 60% of the applicants will have been eliminated. The applicant is scheduled for an immigration hearing where a decision will be made as to whether the applicant will be allowed to enter the asylum/ refugee program. This currently takes about a year. Herring are conducted in English and the court does not provide an immigration lawyer nor an interpreter. After the immigration judge makes a decesion, only 18% of those who applied for asylum remain. They go into the program which gives them some basic training in English, information on getting a job and places to live. This use to be an extensive program introducing the person to American. I think it has been cut back a lot.

 

[Mac-7]

Moratoriums on asylum don't work Trump tried it and failed.

What is causing a major problem is not the number of asylum seekers accepted into the US but rather the huge number that are applying.

It's very difficult to make it through the asylum granting process unless you have plenty of money to hire and immigration law. If an adult without dependents show up at the US border asking for asylum, his or her chances of making through the preliminary testing is about half that of a family. 75% of those that pass the preliminary testing are families.

After passing the preliminary test by border security, the applicant will be detained from two to 6 weeks waiting to present their case to an immigration agent. The agent will listen to the applicant's case and ask question to see if the applicant meets the asylum requirement and is telling the truth. The agent will analysis the case and questions and answers and make a decision. At this point 60% of the applicants will have been eliminated. The applicant is scheduled for an immigration hearing where a decision will be made as to whether the applicant will be allowed to enter the asylum/ refugee program. This currently takes about a year. Herring are conducted in English and the court does not provide an immigration lawyer nor an interpreter. After the immigration judge makes a decesion, only 18% of those who applied for asylum remain. They go into the program which gives them some basic training in English, information on getting a job and places to live. This use to be an extensive program introducing the person to American. I think it has been cut back a lot.

Its simple

Give the alien a number and let them remain in Mexico till their hearing

Since that wont happen for years they will stop coming

 

[Flopper]

We should renounce any treaties that globalists use as their excuse for packing America with foreigners

Then stop the family reunification program

We can still allow for immigration, but not under the generous terms we have had since 1965

In your case it will be impractical to deport everyone or turn down every request of “war brides” already living in the US

But only after we stop the bleeding at the border

It often takes as long as five years and sometime much longer for family members to unite. As result, the number 2 reason why people cross the border illegally is to be with their family. I think we should streamline the process for two reasons. It will reduce illegal immigration and unite families which is a benefits for the both family and the community.

There is one common myth about family immigration: it is believed that it is enough for one person to immigrate to the United States and obtain legal status, and the rest of the family can easily join him. President Trump has given this phenomenon the name “chain of immigration.” In one of his speeches (January 30, 2018), Trump called for an end to “chain immigration” he stated: “One immigrant can bring an almost unlimited number of distant relatives. This is simply not true.

US citizens or legal permanent residents cannot directly obtain visas for distant relatives based on kinship. They cannot now apply for a visa for a cousin, uncle, grandfather, or other distant relatives. Legal restrictions on family preference categories, as well as significant delays in the system, are no small obstacles for those seeking to reunite with their relatives. It is also no secret that an extensive filtering process is in place to ensure that immigrants do not become an economic burden on American society or pose a criminal or national security risk. , it is interesting to note that, according to statistics, immigrants commit fewer offenses than natives and do not receive a substantial share of government benefits.

Considering all these reasons, it becomes apparent that it is difficult for people with legal status in America to bring their family members to the US and doing benefits the family and the community, and does not pose a risk for society.

Obtaining status in the US based on family relationship

Family Immigration: Understand US legal immigration system & the procedure of family reunification. Cohen Brosh Law Offices.

immilawoffice.com

 

[Flopper]

Its simple

Give the alien a number and let them remain in Mexico till their hearing

Since that wont happen for years they will stop coming

Trump tried that but wide spread human rights violations and logistic problems such as contacting the people and after bringing them across the boarder Mexico objected to sending them back. For these reasons the program was stop. It was started up again by the Biden administration but the Supreme Court stopped it.

 

[Flopper]

Over 10 milion on Bin Bidens watch. Asylum claim needs to go away. Its BS

They are working here with fake ids and SSNs. They have been doing it since Reagan.

IRS Admits It Encourages Illegals To Steal Social Security Numbers For Taxes

Aslyum seeks that have gone

 

[JoeB131]

That is covered by rules that can be changed

Good luck with that, we can't even fix the things that actually need to be fixed.

Look, man, the problem is, most Americans just aren't as hateful as you are.

 

[JoeB131]

Had more riots during his terms than the previous 4 decades combined, retard.

Look it up, guy. 1968 to 2008-2016

Actually, retard, the guy who had massive riots was Trump.


A few minor demonstrations against police brutality under Obama weren't really "riots".

 

[The Duke]

Actually, retard, the guy who had massive riots was Trump.


A few minor demonstrations against police brutality under Obama weren't really "riots".

1980 – Miami riot 1980, May 17–19, Miami, Florida
1986 – Marquette Park KKK rally, June 28, Chicago, Illinois
1988 – Tompkins Square Park riot, August 6–7, New York City
1988 – Cedar Grove, Shreveport, Louisiana, In September 1988 there was a full-blown riot in which the police were forced to block off the entire neighborhood because it was out of control. Cars and businesses were burned.
1989 – Miami riot, Miami, Florida, Jan. 16, Three days of rioting breaks out in the Overtown and Liberty City sections of Miami after a police officer shoots and kills a black motorcyclist. 11 people wounded. Over 1 million dollars in damage.
1991 – 1991 Washington, DC riot, Mount Pleasant riot, May 5–9, Washington, D.C.
1991 – Crown Heights riot, August 1991, Brooklyn, New York
1992 – L.A. Rodney King riots, April–May 1992, Los Angeles, California
1992 – 1992 Washington Heights riots, July 4–7, Manhattan, New York, Dominican community
1994 – Eastside Lexington riots, October 26, 1994, Lexington, Kentucky
1996 – St. Petersburg, Florida Riot 1996, October 1996, St. Petersburg, Florida
1997 – North Hollywood shootout, February 1997, Los Angeles, California
2001 – 2001 Cincinnati Riots, April 10–12, Cincinnati, Ohio
2002 – Great Brook Valley Project Riots, August 18, Worcester, MA, Puerto Rican
2002 – North Minneapolis Riots, August 22, Minneapolis, Minnesota
2003 – Benton Harbor riot, June 2003, Benton Harbor, Michigan
2003 – Miami FTAA Protests, November 2003, Miami, Florida
2005 – 2005 Toledo riot, October 15, Toledo, Ohio

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ENTER OBAMA

2009 – Riots against BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant, January 7, 120 arrested, Oakland, California
2009 – Akron riots, March 14, 2009, 7 arrested; and July 2009, unknown number arrested, Akron, Ohio
2009 – 2009 G-20 Pittsburgh summit protests, Sept. 24-25, 193 arrested

2010–2017

2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8,000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – Oakland protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California
2011 – Pennsylvania State University, Joe Paterno riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. New York, New York
2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police and protesters. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2013 – Flatbush Riots, March 11, Riots in Brooklyn, New York after the death of Kimani Gray who was shot and killed by NYPD
2014 – Ferguson unrest, Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Following the shooting death of Michael Brown by a Ferguson police officer, protests erupt in the streets. Police respond with riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets.
2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, protests erupted in New York City and other cities.
2015 – 2015 Baltimore protests, April 25–28. Days of protests break out following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody. 34 people are arrested and 15 Officers injured after rioting and looting break out. Gray's funeral was held on April 27 and followed by further protests and looting. Governor Hogan had pre-emptively activated the Maryland National Guard, while the Maryland State Police had activated at least 500 officers.
2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2016. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon
2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.
2016 – Democracy Spring rally in April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins lead to arrests.
2016 – 2016 Sacramento riot, June 26, A confrontation between white nationalists and left-wing counter protesters at the California State Capitol. Ten people were hospitalized for stabbing and laceration wounds.
2016 – Widespread protests erupt in response to two deaths at the hands of police, the Shooting of Alton Sterling and shooting of Philando Castile. At least 261 people were arrested in protests in New York City, Chicago, St. Paul, Baton Rouge, and other cities.
2016 – 2016 Milwaukee riots, Sherman Park, August 13–15. Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
2016 – 2016 Charlotte riot, September 20–21, Protests and riots break out in response to the shooting of Keith Lamont Scott by a Charlotte police officer.
2016 – Dakota Access Pipeline protests, 411 protesters arrested. Multiple skirmishes with police, with vehicles, hay bales, and tires set on fire.
2016 – Anti-Trump protests, Nov. 9-27. As a result of Donald Trump elected as 45th President of the U.S., thousands protested across twenty-five American cities, and unrest broke out in downtown Oakland, California, and Portland, Oregon. In Oakland, over 40 fires started and police officers were injured.
2017 – Anti-Trump protests at the inauguration in Washington, D.C., January 20. Objects were thrown at police, businesses damaged, and a limousine was set on fire. More than 230 were arrested.

Nice Try, JoeB131, but no.