Debate Now A Hard Look at the MAGA Movement

[JoeB131]

Nice Try, JoeB131, but no.

Uh, your' counting the "Dakota Pipeline" as a race riot? That's kind of stupid.

You are being kind of selective on what you want to count.

You'll believe anything, won't you?

 

[The Duke]

Uh, your' counting the "Dakota Pipeline" as a race riot? That's kind of stupid.

You are being kind of selective on what you want to count.

You'll believe anything, won't you?

Just look how many riots after Obama was elected compared to the previous 4 decades, tardo.

 

[JoeB131]

Just look how many riots after Obama was elected compared to the previous 4 decades, tardo.

Only if you call every small demonstration a "riot" and ignore all the riots that happened before Obama.

 

[Mac-7]

Good luck with that, we can't even fix the things that actually need to be fixed.

Look, man, the problem is, most Americans just aren't as hateful as you are.

You are the one who hates America and wants to overrun the country with foreigners

 

[Blaster]

I am not a supporter of either major political party but will be voting for Donald Trump as his policies are best for all Americans. We can not afford a Harris presidency which will greatly weaken our country.

 

[surada]

Early on in this thread I knew this black-tounged TDS phony POS would eventually show it’s true full Deep State colors. I was not wrong. Flip Floppin POS never saw a commee arse he won’t smooch. Get off the boards you sick forking mess.

 

[surada]

I am not a supporter of either major political party but will be voting for Donald Trump as his policies are best for all Americans. We can not afford a Harris presidency which will greatly weaken our country.

 

[Mac-7]

It often takes as long as five years and sometime much longer for family members to unite. As result, the number 2 reason why people cross the border illegally is to be with their family. I think we should streamline the process for two reasons. It will reduce illegal immigration and unite families which is a benefits for the both family and the community.

There is one common myth about family immigration: it is believed that it is enough for one person to immigrate to the United States and obtain legal status, and the rest of the family can easily join him. President Trump has given this phenomenon the name “chain of immigration.” In one of his speeches (January 30, 2018), Trump called for an end to “chain immigration” he stated: “One immigrant can bring an almost unlimited number of distant relatives. This is simply not true.

US citizens or legal permanent residents cannot directly obtain visas for distant relatives based on kinship. They cannot now apply for a visa for a cousin, uncle, grandfather, or other distant relatives. Legal restrictions on family preference categories, as well as significant delays in the system, are no small obstacles for those seeking to reunite with their relatives. It is also no secret that an extensive filtering process is in place to ensure that immigrants do not become an economic burden on American society or pose a criminal or national security risk. , it is interesting to note that, according to statistics, immigrants commit fewer offenses than natives and do not receive a substantial share of government benefits.

Considering all these reasons, it becomes apparent that it is difficult for people with legal status in America to bring their family members to the US and doing benefits the family and the community, and does not pose a risk for society.

Obtaining status in the US based on family relationship

Family Immigration: Understand US legal immigration system & the procedure of family reunification. Cohen Brosh Law Offices.

immilawoffice.com

There is a legal scam that immigration lawyers know about that involves posing the relative as a wealthy person who wants to open a business in America

But there are plenty of elderly people with no special skills obtaining residency and in some cases qualifying for SSI

then there are the marriage visa applications

 

[JoeB131]

You are the one who hates America and wants to overrun the country with foreigners

No, I love America. It's why I want more immigrants. We need immigrants. Americans aren't reproducing at replacement rates, so we need immigrants to meet our labor needs.

Otherwise, we'll turn into a country of old people with on one to take care of them. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea are already on that path and it isn't pretty.

 

[The Duke]

No, I love America. It's why I want more immigrants. We need immigrants. Americans aren't reproducing at replacement rates, so we need immigrants to meet our labor needs.

Otherwise, we'll turn into a country of old people with on one to take care of them. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea are already on that path and it isn't pretty.

Yep, typical JoeB131 wrong post. Nothing extraordinary about that.

 

[Mac-7]

It's why I want more immigrants.

What you call immigrants are actually illegal aliens and fake asylum seekers, many with criminal backgrounds

 

[Mac-7]

Otherwise, we'll turn into a country of old people with on one to take care of them. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea are already on that path and it isn't pretty.

We can still have immigrants

But lets make sure they are highly educated and skilled

As you can attest, many educated chinese, koreans, japanese and indians want to immigrate to America

But libs want to flood America with uneducated poor people from central America and other places

 

[JoeB131]

Yep, typical JoeB131 wrong post. Nothing extraordinary about that.

You mean the one where I introduce concepts that go right over your head.

Okay, here's the one, let's watch you fail. Without immigrants, the population of the US would decline. More importantly, it would age. In short, a large part of our population would not be able to work because they are too old. In fact, we would need MORE labor to take care of these people.

U.S. Population Projected to Begin Declining in Second Half of Century

The U.S. population is projected to reach a high of nearly 370 million in 2080 before edging downward to 366 million in 2100.

www.census.gov

Our only way through it to reform immigration to admit more working-age folks into the system to support it.

 

[JoeB131]

We can still have immigrants

But lets make sure they are highly educated and skilled

As you can attest, many educated chinese, koreans, japanese and indians want to immigrate to America

But libs want to flood America with uneducated poor people from central America and other places

We probalby have a greater need for unskilled labor, because Americans, even the uneducated, don't want to do those jobs.

 

[JoeB131]

What you call immigrants are actually illegal aliens and fake asylum seekers, many with criminal backgrounds

First, most of them don't have criminal backgrounds, and the only reason why they come in through the back door is because we've made the front door so difficult.

 

[The Duke]

You mean the one where I introduce concepts that go right over your head.

Okay, here's the one, let's watch you fail. Without immigrants, the population of the US would decline. More importantly, it would age. In short, a large part of our population would not be able to work because they are too old. In fact, we would need MORE labor to take care of these people.

U.S. Population Projected to Begin Declining in Second Half of Century

The U.S. population is projected to reach a high of nearly 370 million in 2080 before edging downward to 366 million in 2100.

www.census.gov

Our only way through it to reform immigration to admit more working-age folks into the system to support it.

False monochotomy fallacy. There's a plethora of other options, you just haven't been programmed to be able to see that.

 

[JoeB131]

False monochotomy fallacy. There's a plethora of other options, you just haven't been programmed to be able to see that.

Wow, so you strung a bunch of big words you didn't understand together and thought you made an argument?

I can read numbers, bud. White folks aren't reproducing at replacement rates. It's why they need immigrants to do the shit jobs white folks don't want to do.

 

[Mac-7]

We probalby have a greater need for unskilled labor, because Americans, even the uneducated, don't want to do those jobs.

We need welfare reform to encourage welfare bums to take jobs they might prefer to avoid

 

[leftwinger]

No, I love America. It's why I want more immigrants. We need immigrants. Americans aren't reproducing at replacement rates, so we need immigrants to meet our labor needs.

Otherwise, we'll turn into a country of old people with on one to take care of them. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea are already on that path and it isn't pretty.

Disagree 100%. Americans could have families with many Children if not forced to work sunup to sundown to death to pay for ungratefull non-working citizens and millions more Illegals AND a GOVT that spends 50% more than its Contstitutional obligations. We have to cover 30 car caravans to haul a brain-dead corpse to Scotland for a GW conference. 5Star hotels with few congress persons renting out entire floors for weeks (security). Just on example of millions of them.

 

[leftwinger]

Wow, so you strung a bunch of big words you didn't understand together and thought you made an argument?

I can read numbers, bud. White folks aren't reproducing at replacement rates. It's why they need immigrants to do the shit jobs white folks don't want to do.

Decades of Deep State policy caused any decline. HS College students used to cut lawns and carry bricks as they learned the value of work.