Debate Now A Hard Look at the MAGA Movement

[Mac-7]

And they are breeders. That was his argument yesterday,

Yeah

And not white

If the illegal aliens were from a conservative, white Christian country like Hungary they would not be welcomed by the democrats

 

[Mac-7]

By raising the pay with legislation? oh that's right. This is the right wing "starve them out" strategy.

Both

Stop rewarding able bodied people on welfare

And also dont allow the job market to be flooded with cheap migrant labor that drives down wages

 

[JoeB131]

No path to citizenship for migrants ever

sorry, man, it's pretty much inevitable.

We have something like 15 million migrants, and we can only deport half a million a year.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/28/trump-biden-immigration-deportation-00167914

Biden, convalescing from a case of Covid at his beach house in Delaware, didn’t offer counterprograming. And Kamala Harris, now the likely Democratic nominee, has conspicuously not talked about immigration since taking over the top of the ticket. That might be because Harris and Biden’s strongest defense would sound ugly to their liberal supporters. Back in 2020, Biden campaigned on a promise to place a moratorium on deportations; he went as far as to apologize for the Obama-Biden’s administration record number of deportations. That means that, campaigning in 2024, it’s tricky for Biden or Harris to state a simple fact: that their administration has kicked out millions more migrants than Trump ever managed to.

If deportations are a gas pedal, Trump has portrayed Biden as a lethargic octogenarian, too impaired to drive over 10 mph. In reality, Biden has that gas pedal pushed almost all the way to the floor. Under Biden, migrants have been removed from the U.S. at a blistering pace, pushing the country’s deportation infrastructure to its limit. And it’s not clear how Trump could top him if he takes back the White House next year.

But there’s another reason: ICE — along with all the country’s deportation infrastructure — had been surged to the border. To handle the huge number of new arrivals, the administration sent ICE agents to assist Border Patrol, and that took government workers away from arresting people in the interior. Meanwhile, ICE Air flights were filled to the brim with recent border crossers; they literally didn’t have room for other deportees.

As soon as Title 42 ended in May 2023, deportations immediately skyrocketed to historic numbers. According to data analysis from the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, Biden “removed or returned” 775,000 unauthorized immigrants from May 2023 to May 2024. That’s more than any previous year since 2010. (For comparison, Trump’s record for removals in one year maxed out at under 612,000 — and that was with Title 42 in place.)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

A much better idea than giving them citizenship.

False.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Stop rewarding able bodied people on welfare

Most people taking government assistance work full time.

You have that stupid white wing opinion that has been skewed by 50 years of white nationalists lying to you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yeah

And not white

If the illegal aliens were from a conservative, white Christian country like Hungary they would not be welcomed by the democrats

Haha, you have to make up lies to justify your own poor behavior.

 

[Mac-7]

sorry, man, it's pretty much inevitable.

We have something like 15 million migrants, and we can only deport half a million a year.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/28/trump-biden-immigration-deportation-00167914

Biden, convalescing from a case of Covid at his beach house in Delaware, didn’t offer counterprograming. And Kamala Harris, now the likely Democratic nominee, has conspicuously not talked about immigration since taking over the top of the ticket. That might be because Harris and Biden’s strongest defense would sound ugly to their liberal supporters. Back in 2020, Biden campaigned on a promise to place a moratorium on deportations; he went as far as to apologize for the Obama-Biden’s administration record number of deportations. That means that, campaigning in 2024, it’s tricky for Biden or Harris to state a simple fact: that their administration has kicked out millions more migrants than Trump ever managed to.

If deportations are a gas pedal, Trump has portrayed Biden as a lethargic octogenarian, too impaired to drive over 10 mph. In reality, Biden has that gas pedal pushed almost all the way to the floor. Under Biden, migrants have been removed from the U.S. at a blistering pace, pushing the country’s deportation infrastructure to its limit. And it’s not clear how Trump could top him if he takes back the White House next year.

But there’s another reason: ICE — along with all the country’s deportation infrastructure — had been surged to the border. To handle the huge number of new arrivals, the administration sent ICE agents to assist Border Patrol, and that took government workers away from arresting people in the interior. Meanwhile, ICE Air flights were filled to the brim with recent border crossers; they literally didn’t have room for other deportees.

As soon as Title 42 ended in May 2023, deportations immediately skyrocketed to historic numbers. According to data analysis from the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, Biden “removed or returned” 775,000 unauthorized immigrants from May 2023 to May 2024. That’s more than any previous year since 2010. (For comparison, Trump’s record for removals in one year maxed out at under 612,000 — and that was with Title 42 in place.)

We can issue permanent green cards to the lucky few that are not deported

Most of the aliens who arrived illegally will have to go

And most fake asylum seekers too

But no citizenship for the lucky few who are allowed to stay

 

[Mac-7]

Most people taking government assistance work full time.

Nonsense

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nonsense

See? None of your states are conclusions reached from evidence. Just your first emotional reactions. Then you act so surprised when your beliefs run contrary to facts.

Time to grow up.

 

[Mac-7]

See? None of your states are conclusions reached from evidence. Just your first emotional reactions. Then you act so surprised when your beliefs run contrary to facts.

Time to grow up.

Neither are yours

 

[JoeB131]

We can issue permanent green cards to the lucky few that are not deported

Most of the aliens who arrived illegally will have to go

And most fake asylum seekers too

But no citizenship for the lucky few who are allowed to stay

Did your learning disability make you incapable of reading the article and understanding it?

Biden is already deporting 750,000 a year. And it's barely putting a dent in the number.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Neither are yours

Haha, poor guy.

 

[leftwinger]

Sure we can.

We just can't do it with the inhabitants of trailer parks and housing projects.

We need to import people with a work ethic.

Put “your” fathers of single mother babies to work. Put your prisoners to work if at all possible. Idle hands create convicts.//

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Put you fathers of single mothers babies to work. Put you prisoners to work if at all possible. Idle hands create convicts.//

So, point at peope and tell them to "do better".

The conservative nonsolution to every problem they don't actually care about.

 

[leftwinger]

Did your learning disability make you incapable of reading the article and understanding it?

Biden is already deporting 750,000 a year. And it's barely putting a dent in the number.

200K per month show up at open gates since the 2020 invitations went out. Border wall stopped. 142 extra Gates literally welded open. No telling how many got-aways (estimate 80K per mont in the Tucson sector alone).

Yet you chirp? 15-20 million roaming about? Millions signed up a federal voters? Get off the boards you commee POS.

 

[leftwinger]

So, point at peope and tell them to "do better".

The conservative nonsolution to every problem they don't actually care about.

You called it dunce. It will be difficult to reverse decades of your welfare breeding BS. Stuff it pantyliner, even you know the DEM commee scam.

 

[JoeB131]

Put “your” fathers of single mother babies to work. Put your prisoners to work if at all possible. Idle hands create convicts.//

Okay, so when do we put the unicorns to work?

 

[JoeB131]

200K per month show up at open gates since the 2020 invitations went out. Border wall stopped. 142 extra Gates literally welded open. No telling how many got-aways (estimate 80K per mont in the Tucson sector alone).

Yet you chirp? 15-20 million roaming about? Millions signed up a federal voters? Get off the boards you commee POS.

Walls are useless.

Biden has deported/expelled far more than Trump ever did.

If you guys want to solve the problem, you have to fix the whole system, not just the border.

 

[leftwinger]

Walls are useless.

Biden has deported/expelled far more than Trump ever did.

If you guys want to solve the problem, you have to fix the whole system, not just the border.

Not worth time to deal with a person with an openinhpg line “Walls are useless”. Get off the boards you spinning stalling goof.

 

[JoeB131]

Not worth time to deal with a person with an openinhpg line “Walls are useless”. Get off the boards you spinning stalling goof.

Walls are useless.

Walls can be claimed over, dug under, gone around, or you can just bribe someone watching it to let you through.

What you need to do is eliminate any reason for them to come here to start with, and you do that by 1) Cleaning up the employment situation (workplace enforcement, biometric ID, guest worker permits to deal with legitimate labor needs) and 2) Cleaning up the immigration case system so cases are resolved expeditiously. Mrs. B131 shouldn't have waited 7 years for an asylum hearing or one year for a marriage sponsorship.

The stupidity that you can build a wall and solve the problem underestimates human ingenuity.