Debate Now A Hard Look at the MAGA Movement

[Flopper]

Agreed

Farmers will have to pay higher wages to their farm workers

You think that will radically raise prices and I think it will raise the standard of living for farm workers

Pickers are making $17 to $20/hr. 73% are immigrants (legal and illegal) When contracted suppliers do not delivery enough labor, farmers advertise for pickers. Most respondents are Latin American

 

[Flopper]

Walls are useless.

Walls can be claimed over, dug under, gone around, or you can just bribe someone watching it to let you through.

What you need to do is eliminate any reason for them to come here to start with, and you do that by 1) Cleaning up the employment situation (workplace enforcement, biometric ID, guest worker permits to deal with legitimate labor needs) and 2) Cleaning up the immigration case system so cases are resolved expeditiously. Mrs. B131 shouldn't have waited 7 years for an asylum hearing or one year for a marriage sponsorship.

The stupidity that you can build a wall and solve the problem underestimates human ingenuity.

I agree, eliminating the reason to come here is the best approach. Enforcing id checks. File applications for asylum at any US embassy or consulate and perform the first screening test there. In the Central American countries publicize what migrants will face at the US boarder. Lastly, help reduce gang activity in these countries.

A wall today is ineffective. Migrants cross the border and wait by the wall or other barrier to be picked up so they can claim asylum.

 

[Flopper]

Why not incentivize Americans on welfare to take those jobs instead?

Most of the recipients of welfare are women and children.

 

[Flopper]

sorry, man, it's pretty much inevitable.

We have something like 15 million migrants, and we can only deport half a million a year.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/28/trump-biden-immigration-deportation-00167914

Biden, convalescing from a case of Covid at his beach house in Delaware, didn’t offer counterprograming. And Kamala Harris, now the likely Democratic nominee, has conspicuously not talked about immigration since taking over the top of the ticket. That might be because Harris and Biden’s strongest defense would sound ugly to their liberal supporters. Back in 2020, Biden campaigned on a promise to place a moratorium on deportations; he went as far as to apologize for the Obama-Biden’s administration record number of deportations. That means that, campaigning in 2024, it’s tricky for Biden or Harris to state a simple fact: that their administration has kicked out millions more migrants than Trump ever managed to.

If deportations are a gas pedal, Trump has portrayed Biden as a lethargic octogenarian, too impaired to drive over 10 mph. In reality, Biden has that gas pedal pushed almost all the way to the floor. Under Biden, migrants have been removed from the U.S. at a blistering pace, pushing the country’s deportation infrastructure to its limit. And it’s not clear how Trump could top him if he takes back the White House next year.

But there’s another reason: ICE — along with all the country’s deportation infrastructure — had been surged to the border. To handle the huge number of new arrivals, the administration sent ICE agents to assist Border Patrol, and that took government workers away from arresting people in the interior. Meanwhile, ICE Air flights were filled to the brim with recent border crossers; they literally didn’t have room for other deportees.

As soon as Title 42 ended in May 2023, deportations immediately skyrocketed to historic numbers. According to data analysis from the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank, Biden “removed or returned” 775,000 unauthorized immigrants from May 2023 to May 2024. That’s more than any previous year since 2010. (For comparison, Trump’s record for removals in one year maxed out at under 612,000 — and that was with Title 42 in place.)

The democrats are not hitting immigration that much right now because June had the lowest monthly total for illegal crossings since January 2021 and the numbers are expected to continue falling between now the election. The democrat response to illegal immigration is now and will continue to be, pass immigration reform.

 

[Mac-7]

Most of the recipients of welfare are women and children.

You mean single moms, many of whom have never been married

They use the children as cash cows to buy stuff for themselves

 

[leftwinger]

These Commie Crats like Boner-Joe act as-if nothing can be done to solve the 20 million swarm from down south? Anything can be solved. You just have to want to. First is the Wall with closed gates. Any serious asylum claims can wait down there, filed with the US embassy.

Many solutions exist. But they don't want any solution. They want chaos leading to one-party rule with the Elite and the have-nots....just like Venezuela as example.

Put American criminals to work in the fields. Ghetto breeders can be bussed out too. Live in tent cities or FEMA trailers from the hurricane days. They get paid. They live free. Time off sentence for the prison work force. 1 year work.....2 years off your time.

The US Military could launch and takeover 50 miles south into Mexico. This would be the new border. Corrupt Mexico can suck on that. This 50 mile zone become a no-go zone. Shoot to kill. permanent NK-SK style border. Do not enter.

Perhaps Tiuana or Nogales type Mexican cites can be regulated like the Israelis' allowed the Palestine to exist close by. If it does not work...begin to shut them down 1 by 1. takes time to win some things.

I am certain there are many brilliant ideas from the smart American thinkers like me.

USA could Merge with Mexico. Take control of all that warm water coastline. Destroy the cartels. It isn't rocket science, it takes work and bloodshed required on their end mostly.
How do you eat an elephant....you start with one bite. Make it work. Git er' dun.

 

[leftwinger]

You mean single moms, many of whom have never been married

They use the children as cash cows to buy stuff for themselves

DemWitted loons set it up so the USA least productive get paid to breed AND get a raise to increase the brood. You can't make this stuff up. They don't make the fathers pay as it is usually more than one per home. They come by and eat up the monthly rations too but they can't get married or hang around as SHE might get paid less.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Farmers will have to pay higher wages to their farm workers

Why would they do that? Your fantasy of denying them immigrant labor is never, not ever, going to happen.

 

[leftwinger]

The democrats are not hitting immigration that much right now because June had the lowest monthly total for illegal crossings since January 2021 and the numbers are expected to continue falling between now the election. The democrat response to illegal immigration is now and will continue to be, pass immigration reform.

stupid movie buff clown. It is 110F+++ to 120F in June-Aug. You want to go stand in the sun all day in a swarm to rush border gates? Do you want to ride trains at night with all the predators?

Mexico can only get so many into triple decker AC busses running non-stop from way deep in Mexico up to the border. 200K per month can't be delivered.

 

[Flopper]

You mean single moms, many of whom have never been married

They use the children as cash cows to buy stuff for themselves

Whether they are married or not is not relevant. Not having a father to help support the children is.

 

[leftwinger]

If they force them (the sperm donor looking for a "baby mama") to coinsitently pay FULL Child support....there would be less of a problem. Everyone knows//

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

First let's look's at what MAGA is?
It is a political movement that emerged in the United States during the 2016 presidential campaign of its putative leader, Donald Trump. Its name is derived from Trump’s 2016 campaign slogan “Make America Great Again,” which became a rallying cry for many Trump supporters during his candidacy, presidency (2017–21), and beyond.

MAGA movement | Meaning, Beliefs, Origins, Donald Trump, & Facts | Britannica

The MAGA movement is a nativist political movement that emerged in the United States during the 2016 presidential campaign of its putative leader, Donald Trump. Its name is derived from Trump’s 2016 campaign slogan “Make America Great Again,” which became a rallying cry for many Trump supporters.

www.britannica.com

The MAGA movement (often referred to simply as MAGA, or Make America Great Again), was founded on the belief that the United States was once a “great” country but has lost this status owing to foreign influence, both within its borders (via immigration and multiculturalism) and without (via globalization, or the increased integration of multiple national economies).

1. Is it true that America has lost it's status as a great country?
2. What policies and legislation does the MAGA movement claim should be implemented?
3. Assuming America is no longer a great country, will these policies work to restore America to it's former greatness?

TDS is alive and well. Where an American flag , or love of country triggers Democrats to attack.

 

[JoeB131]

These Commie Crats like Boner-Joe act as-if nothing can be done to solve the 20 million swarm from down south? Anything can be solved. You just have to want to. First is the Wall with closed gates. Any serious asylum claims can wait down there, filed with the US embassy.

These people crossed mountains and deserts to get to the border, do you really think that a wall is going to stop them?

Put American criminals to work in the fields. Ghetto breeders can be bussed out too. Live in tent cities or FEMA trailers from the hurricane days. They get paid. They live free. Time off sentence for the prison work force. 1 year work.....2 years off your time.

Um, yeah, so how many do you want to escape. There's a reason why most of the country got rid of chain gangs.... because they were cost prohibitive. You pretty much need one guard for every prisoner.

Riddle me this, Batman, who is going to do a better job, someone who wants to be there or someone who would rather be anywhere else?

The US Military could launch and takeover 50 miles south into Mexico. This would be the new border. Corrupt Mexico can suck on that. This 50 mile zone become a no-go zone. Shoot to kill. permanent NK-SK style border. Do not enter.

Um, yeah, the US-Mexico border is 1954 miles. If you go 50 miles in, that's occupying an area of 99,700 square miles. (By way of Comparison, Iraq is 169,000 Square miles, and South Vietnam was 67,000 Square miles. Not to mention all the cities that would be part of that occupation zone.

Perhaps Tiuana or Nogales type Mexican cites can be regulated like the Israelis' allowed the Palestine to exist close by. If it does not work...begin to shut them down 1 by 1. takes time to win some things.

Um, emulating anything Israel does is a bad idea. They've been trying to pacify Palestine for 80 years now.

I am certain there are many brilliant ideas from the smart American thinkers like me.

You spelled "Sociopath" wrong.

USA could Merge with Mexico. Take control of all that warm water coastline. Destroy the cartels. It isn't rocket science, it takes work and bloodshed required on their end mostly.
How do you eat an elephant....you start with one bite. Make it work. Git er' dun.

Um, okay, we could annex Mexico, but then eventually, you'd have to give all those Mexicans citizenship.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

 

[Mac-7]

Why would they do that? Your fantasy of denying them immigrant labor is never, not ever, going to happen.

If thats what you think go piss in your lemonade and leave me alone

If trump wins the election we will make changes that I’m sure you wont like

 

[Mac-7]

Whether they are married or not is not relevant. Not having a father to help support the children is.

The chances of becoming a single mother are far greater when they consort with some guy who only wants sex

But hey, Uncle Sam can be the daddy

 

[HikerGuy83]

The chances of becoming a single mother are far greater when they consort with some guy who only wants sex

But hey, Uncle Sam can be the daddy

If she won't name the father, she should get no support.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Um, okay, we could annex Mexico, but then eventually, you'd have to give all those Mexicans citizenship.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

They tend to be pretty libertarian.

Sooooooooooooooo maybe he did.

 

[Mac-7]

If she won't name the father, she should get no support.

Thats a good idea

But drunken party girls with high “body counts” may remember or know where to find all the possible daddys they had sex with

I think we need forced sterilizations

 

[Flopper]

These people crossed mountains and deserts to get to the border, do you really think that a wall is going to stop them?



Um, yeah, so how many do you want to escape. There's a reason why most of the country got rid of chain gangs.... because they were cost prohibitive. You pretty much need one guard for every prisoner.

Riddle me this, Batman, who is going to do a better job, someone who wants to be there or someone who would rather be anywhere else?



Um, yeah, the US-Mexico border is 1954 miles. If you go 50 miles in, that's occupying an area of 99,700 square miles. (By way of Comparison, Iraq is 169,000 Square miles, and South Vietnam was 67,000 Square miles. Not to mention all the cities that would be part of that occupation zone.



Um, emulating anything Israel does is a bad idea. They've been trying to pacify Palestine for 80 years now.


You spelled "Sociopath" wrong.



Um, okay, we could annex Mexico, but then eventually, you'd have to give all those Mexicans citizenship.

You didn't think this through at all, did you?

In many respects, immigrants make better Americans than native born Americans. For example:

• Immigrants are 60% less likely to be incarcerated than native born Americans
• 25% of immigrants start their own business compared to 6% of native born American.
• 53% of eligible Latino voters vote and 52% of eligible Asian voters vote compared to 46% of eligible native born Americans.
• Less than 1% of American adults serve in the military today while nearly 3% of the foreign born Americans serve.

I think this is to be expected when you consider the obstacles native born Americans go through to become an American.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If thats what you think go piss in your lemonade and leave me alone

It doesn't matter what either of us think.

Your white nationalist fever dream will never happen.

Join us in reality.