Zone1 A bunch of verses that prove that ALL who ever existed will live in God's Kingdom!

[Z99]

Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Those who commit blasphemy against the Holy Ghost cannot receive forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come. So there appears to be a sin which if committed will keep you from ever receiving salvation.

Most English translations have it wrong. Here is the correct translation.

Mark 3:29
Young's Literal Translation
29 but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'

 

[The Irish Ram]

It means just what it says.
The Pharisees had no choice but to admit Jesus was working miracles, because everybody was watching Him do it, so they said that His abilities were credited to Satan and not God's spirit, and it pissed God off.

 

[buttercup]

Most English translations have it wrong. Here is the correct translation.

Mark 3:29
Young's Literal Translation
29 but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'

Not according to Strong's concordance.

You found 1 version that says what you want it to say. Every single other version (and there are tons) says the word eternal, or forever, or everlasting. Stop misleading people.

 

[Z99]

Not according to Strong's concordance.

They're citing the KJV's erroneous translation.

 

[Z99]

Here is more proof that the use of the word "eternal" is a mistranslation in many Bibles, such as the KJV. If the fire in the following verse is indeed "eternal", then why can't we see it? The simple truth is that that fire is NOT "eternal" and that the KJV translation is WRONG.

Jude 7

King James Version
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.​

Here is the correct translation:

Jude 7 YLT
as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before -- an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering

 

[Z99]

Archeologists have visited the areas of Sodom and Gomorrha. There are no "eternal" fires there.

 

[Z99]

I found this interesting. This was Chatgpt response to the meaning of the word aion or aionios as it is used in the New Testament.

"Aiónios (αἰώνιος)
Root Meaning:As the adjective form of αἰών, αἰώνιος should logically carry the sense of "pertaining to an age" or "age-enduring."
It does not inherently mean eternal but rather something that endures for the duration of an age, which could be finite or infinite depending on the context.


Theological Context: Origen and Clement of Alexandria, were among the early Christian theologians who interpreted αἰώνιος in terms of finite "ages" rather than unending eternity, unless specifically referring to God or divine attributes. They often emphasized restoration (apokatastasis), suggesting that aiónios punishment was corrective and limited to an age, not eternal.


In contrast, later theological developments (particularly under Augustine) interpreted αἰώνιος as equivalent to "eternal" in a more absolute sense, especially in discussions of eternal punishment versus eternal life."
Even AI understands that the meaning of the word aion evolved and was later translated as eternity particularly under Augustine.

 

[Ace Nova]

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

God is God. There is no other.


Is God good? Yes - beyond human comprehension. Is God evil? Never - beyond human comprehension.

Isaiah 54:16

It was I who created the blacksmith
to blow on the coals in the fire
and produce a weapon suitable for its purpose.
I also created the ravager
to destroy and wreak havoc.


God is God. There is no other.


God creates. God creates the destroyer.

Eternal balance.

God is always good. The destroyer is the counter balance of the goodness of God's creation.

Balance is the TRUTH of creation.

Mankind, above all life, was given the gift of free will - to choose between "creation" or "destruction". We have a carnal desire to procreate (love, sex, protect, build, grow ) as well as a carnal desire to destroy (hate, kill, war, demolish, abandon) - Our most basic, physical being.

What comes next?

Intellect, physiology, philosophy, reason, logic, science, art - and yes, faith - spirituality.

Faith - Spirituality is only dogmatic if you let it be. The Spirit is what is within you and outside of you. Your faith is your awareness of the Spirit that is within you and outside of you.

You can choose to live a purely carnal life - ignoring your faith - so that you are not aware of the Spirit.

For a very special few, life will be balanced.

For most others, life will be unbalanced. From this unbalance of life, evil is born - greed, gluttony, wrath and the will to do harm to others for one's own good.

This "unbalance" of life is attributed to "Satan" or the "devil" - some sort of "bad guy" that makes you do "this or that".

The truth is that "Satan" means 'Adversary' and 'Devil' means to "Divide'.

The 'Adversary' of mankind has always been the 'Devil" who 'divides' mankind from their Spiritual Being - from their faith that makes them aware of the Spirit that is inside of them and outside of them - the eternal "balance".

John 14:

Jesus, the Truth, Reveals the Father[d]​

6 Jesus replied,

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life.
No one comes to the Father
except through me."

For some that live a purely carnal life, this passage could mean that only Jesus in the flesh is the way to the "physical eternal father". It could be used as a way to Divide themselves and others from the Spirit.

For those who allow faith to overcome the carnal world, (The way) - They realize this is "The Spirit of Truth" which is the Life that is inside of them and outside of them.


7 If you know me,
then you will know my Father also.
From now on you do know him.
You have seen him.”

Jesus, the Life, Communicates the Spirit[e]​

12 “Amen, amen, I say to you,
the one who believes in me
will also do the works that I do,
and indeed will do even greater ones than these,
because I am going to the Father.


13 Whatever you ask in my name I will do,
so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If you ask me for anything in my name,
I will do it.

15 “If you love me,
you will keep my commandments.

What were Jesus' commandments? "Love God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength - AND Love your Neighbor as Yourself."

Use your faith to overcome the carnal world (Love God with everything you have) then let your communion with God's Spirit become your actions by "Loving one another - treating each other the way you wish to be treated"

16 And I will ask the Father,
and he will give you another Advocate
to be with you forever,
17 the Spirit of Truth
whom the world cannot accept
because it neither sees him nor knows him.

Most of the world does not see the Spirit of Truth because they have chosen other paths. For a few of the select, the Spirit of Truth is evident.
For many others, it is not - unless they allow their faith to overcome the ways of the world. This is the meaning of "No one comes to the Father except through me".

(In my humble opinion).

 

[Carl in Michigan]

King James Version
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It MEANS, "fire from the Eternal" and the results of that fire are ETERNAL. Sodom and Gomorrah have never been rebuild and that land is AN ETERNAL wasteland

 

[Z99]

It MEANS, "fire from the Eternal" and the results of that fire are ETERNAL.

Wrong. The verbiage in most English translations claim that the fire is "eternal", meaning it never ends.

You're so desperate to hold onto your false doctrine that you're willing to pervert the word of God.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Wrong. The verbiage in most English translations claim that the fire is "eternal", meaning it never ends.

You're so desperate to hold onto your false doctrine that you're willing to pervert the word of God.

Well the fact that Sodom and Gomorrah aren't in flames now should tell you that your interpretation is in error

You insist on trusting Scriptures to advance your personal beliefs and wants. You should seek Truth, not your personal agenda

 

[Z99]

Well the fact that Sodom and Gomorrah aren't in flames now should tell you that your interpretation is in error

I think you're not understanding.

Most Bible translations claim that Sodom is burning forever. I'm saying that it's a mistranslation and the proof is, among others, the fact that it is no longer burning today.

 

[ninja007]

The Irish Ram
hadit
nomadic5
ninja007

Deja-vu all over again. K9Buck is back under a different screen name.

nope, only been this 1 for me. sorry.

 

[buttercup]

nope, only been this 1 for me. sorry.

Zone1 - Does anyone else here believe (as I do) that ALL who ever lived will live forever with God in his kingdom?

When Christ returns and starts His 1,000 year reign, even though Satan the tempter is chained in the bottomless pit, (not the Lake of Fire ) people on earth will remember sin and practice it, which will bring about a final battle between good and evil, (Satan is unchained for this battle)...

www.usmessageboard.com

Zone1 - The "Lake of Fire" (Hell) is temporary, punitive, purifying, & restorative

Tik Tok? I could have provided a link to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NYT, WaPo, PBS, Huffington Post, etc., but I figured those sources are too radical and I didn't want to embarrass myself by linking to them.

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[Mashmont]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

None of these say everyone will be in Heaven. Less than half go to Heaven. Jesus said so, Himself.
Of the national politicians, I would say President Trump is a shoo-in to get there.. Alito, Barrett, and Thomas of the Supreme Court. Marco Rubio and Chris Smith in Congress.

 

[theHawk]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

Nice selective editing there. None about all the passages clearly saying those who reject God, and reject Christ, will be judged and condemned to hell.

 

[hadit]

...but by golly, he sure will send you to a burning pit of agony where you will scream and cry for eternity if no one was able to convince you that he is real, without even presenting you a shred of evidence.

Your god doesnt sound petty and evil at all.

He makes Himself known to you and you choose to ignore Him.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Genesis 12:3 --- All peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham.
Genesis 22:18 --- All nations on earth will be blessed through Abraham’s offspring.
Psalms 22:27 --- All the ends of the earth and all the families of the nations will acknowledge God.
Psalms 65:2 --- All men will come to God.
Psalms 86:9 --- All nations will worship and glorify God.
Psalms 103:8-9 --- God is compassionate, will not always accuse and will not be angry forever.
Psalms 145:9-10 --- The Lord has compassion on all His creation and all He has made will praise Him.
Psalms 145:13 --- The Lord loves all His creation.
Psalms 145:14 --- The Lord upholds all who fall.
Isaiah 25:6-8 --- God will prepare a feast for all people, He will destroy the shroud that enfolds all peoples, the sheet that covers up all nations. He will eliminate death, wipe away the tears from all faces and remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth.
Isaiah 45:22-23 --- God has sworn an oath that every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will swear by Him.
Isaiah 49:6 --- God’s salvation will be brought to the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 54:8 --- Although God will hide His face in a surge of anger, He will also have compassion with everlasting kindness.
Isaiah 57:16-18 --- God’s anger is not permanent. Although He punishes man, He will heal, guide and restore comfort to him.
Jeremiah 31:33-34 --- All men will know God, from the greatest to the least.
Lamentations 3:31-33 --- The Lord does not cast off forever. Although He brings grief, he will also be compassionate.
Ezekiah 18:21 --- God does not any pleasure in the death of the wicked. Rather, He is pleased when they repent.
Micah 7:18 --- God does not stay angry forever.
Matthew 18:13 --- Like the man who owes a hundred sheep and is not willing to lose even one, God is not willing that any one be lost.
Luke 2:10 --- The birth of Jesus is good news for all the people.
Luke 3: 5, 6 --- John the Baptist quotes Isaiah’s words that all mankind will see God’s salvation.
John 1:29 --- Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
John 3:35 --- God sent Jesus to save the world.
John 4:42 --- God has committed all things to Christ.
John 5:25 --- Even the dead will hear the sound of Christ and all who hear will live.
John 6:37 --- Everything that God has given to Christ will come to him.
John 12:32 --- When Jesus is lifted up from the earth, he will draw all men to himself.
John 12:47 --- Jesus came to save the world.
John 17:2 --- God granted Christ authority over all people so that Christ may give eternal life to all that God has given him.
Acts 3:20-21 --- Jesus must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything.
Romans 3:3-4 --- The unbelief of some will not nullify God’s faithfulness.
Romans 5:18 --- The act of obedience of one man (Jesus) will bring life for all men.
Romans 8:19-21 --- Creation itself will be liberated and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
Romans 8:38-39 --- Nothing can separate us from the love of God that is in Christ.
Romans 11:32 --- God made all people imprisoned by disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-28 --- All will be made alive in Christ, but each in his own turn and ultimately Christ will subdue all his enemies, eliminate death and God will be all in all.
2 Corinthians 5:15 --- Christ died for all.
2 Corinthians 5:19 --- Through Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself.
Ephesians 1:11 --- God will bring all things under heaven and on earth under Christ.
Ephesians 4:10 --- Christ ascended higher then all the heavens to fill the whole universe.
Philippians. 2:9-11 --- Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (In 1 Corinthians 12:3, Paul writes that no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except by the Holy Spirit)
Colossians 1: 19-20 --- God was pleased to reconcile to Himself, all things on earth and in heaven through the blood of Christ.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 --- God wants all men to be saved and to know the truth. Can God’s desire be thwarted?
1 Timothy 4:10 --- God is the Saviour of all men, especially (not exclusively) those who believe.
Titus 2:11-12 --- God’s grace, which brings salvation has appeared to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 --- Jesus tasted death for everyone.
1 John 2:2 --- Christ is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but of the sins of the whole world.
1 John 3:8 --- Christ appeared to destroy the devil’s works.
1 John 4:14 --- Christ is the Saviour of the world.
Revelation 5:13 --- Every creature in heaven, on earth, under the earth, and on the sea will sing praises to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb (Christ).
Revelation 21:4-5 --- God will dwell with men and he will wipe every tear from their eyes, death, mourning, crying, pain and the old order of things will pass and everything will be made new.

Indeed, this is known as "universalism" and makes far more sense than the typical Christian belief systems.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nice selective editing there. None about all the passages clearly saying those who reject God, and reject Christ, will be judged and condemned to hell.

Here's another verse for you 1 Cor 15:22

For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive

But do people believe what Jesus said? most do not.

 

[theHawk]

But do people believe what Jesus said? most do not

And that is why most will end up in hell.