Zone1 Who created all things?

[Donald H]

This can't be used as evidence:

Genesis 3:16 (The Curse on Eve after the Fall):

• "To the woman he said, 'I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.'" (NIV)

Christianity no longer believes that Genesis is literally true.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

This can't be used as evidence:


Christianity no longer believes that Genesis is literally true.

Some outliers still do and quote from it. Hard to fathom.

 

[Donald H]

Some outliers still do and quote from it. Hard to fathom.

I was just trying to offer a talking point for Meriweather.

If she doesn't accept it and sign onto it, then you can claim it for yourself!

 

[Meriweather]

Some outliers still do and quote from it. Hard to fathom.

Is the lesson the same either way it is read?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Is the lesson the same either way it is read?

What "lesson"?

 

[Meriweather]

What "lesson"?

Figure it out.

 

[Donald H]

What "lesson"?

She's referring to the lesson taught by Genesis in general. The Christians' answer is vague because they don't really mean that evolution has sent creation to the garbage bin, but they know it's true nonetheless.

Does it matter to them that A & E and creation has been discarded?

It may be that nothing in the world matters quite as much to them?

Atheism didn't shoot all their toes off., their own church did. They should be reminded often! I did and I was rewarded by her with not having to hear any whining rebuttals!

 

[Paradoxical#1]

She's referring to the lesson taught by Genesis in general. The Christians' answer is vague because they don't really mean that evolution has sent creation to the garbage bin, but they know it's true nonetheless.

Does it matter to them that A & E and creation has been discarded?

It may be that nothing in the world matters quite as much to them?

Atheism didn't shoot all their toes off., their own church did. They should be reminded often! I did and I was rewarded by her with not having to hear any whining rebuttals!

I came here a few weeks back from another site that has gone off the deep end with far-left monitors suspending and banning conservatives and am not familiar with the people here yet. ding and Meriweather are both devout Catholics who think they somehow found the golden key to heaven, dismissing the hundreds of other Christian denominations, Islam, and all other belief systems as inferior to the one they believe in which they imagine guarantees them a slot in some barely described place called heaven when they depart here.

I liked the nuns that taught me. So devout and meek and when I was young I questioned the statues, the kneeling till my back ached and watched them in a nearly empty church doing the signs of the cross as I was, all getting up at the same time and moving away. It looked like cultists in robes as I recall it now and I asked myself "What if they are wrong?" I suppressed such notions out of fear because they taught not to question God's ways.

I maintained my beliefs until my twenties and when I thought "I don't believe in this bible God anymore" I was in stark fear because I knew the repercussions. That is the incredible hold that being told you must believe has on people. I debated Christians at CARM for many years. The owner there is Matt Slick, a bible expert, and his mission is to train new apologists by insisting is interpretations are the right ones. He's a Calvinist which is even worse than a Catholic when it comes to being narcissistic that you cornered the truth.

I know that many ardent believers like these two are unshakable. They are taught to be that way and it is a virtue and pleasing to "God". They think they can bring people with them and it becomes a mission. They interpret what the bible says the way they were taught by their elders and merely puppet the gaslighting like someone who burns Teslas because they were told Musk is bad and they think they are sticking it to Musk.

I will have to do fewer interactions in the Christian area. When they insist that all scripture is inspired by God but can't say how that happens or where the proof is there is a problem with their thought process. They then say that prophecies came true (which they were told) but when I ask for a sample one, they run away because their contentions that a prophecy came true are ridiculous and spurious and shoehorn in any even they want to no matter that it doesn't come close o matching a prophecy. Even the claim that Jesus is/was the predicted savior falls under scrutiny of alleged bible predictions and lineage.

 

[Meriweather]

who think they somehow found the golden key to heaven, dismissing the hundreds of other Christian denominations, Islam, and all other belief systems as inferior to the one they believe in which they imagine guarantees them a slot in some barely described place called heaven when they depart here.

Oh, great. Yet another person who comes online claiming they know what I am doing. Surprise, no I do not dismiss other belief systems, quite the contrary. They certainly are not inferior. Nor do I believe, let alone imagine I'm guaranteed anything. I'll step away so you can continue uninterrupted with your own imaginary Meriweather. I tried, but I am truly tired of this.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Oh, great. Yet another person who comes online claiming they know what I am doing. Surprise, no I do not dismiss other belief systems, quite the contrary. They certainly are not inferior. Nor do I believe, let alone imagine I'm guaranteed anything. I'll step away so you can continue uninterrupted with your own imaginary Meriweather. I tried, but I am truly tired of this.

That makes two of us. You are the Jordan Peterson of the forum, talking in riddles and euphemisms and vagaries. It's like trying to grab a ball of jello in your hand.