63% say guns make their homes safer...

[Saigon]

Missourian -

And yet we all know that, statistically, you are safer without the guns.

And that is why it is not about proving.

It's about perception.

 

[LeftofLeft]

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

As it turns out, a strong majority of Americans agree with this statement -- at least when it comes to their own homes. And while most social movements are slow-changing, Americans have moved toward embracing guns in the home rather rapidly.

Gallup has long asked Americans whether they thought having a gun in their home would make their home "safer" or "more dangerous." In 2000, 35 percent of Americans thought it would make them safer. Today, that number is at 63 percent.

Why the NRA is so powerful in 1 chart - The Washington Post

Join the NRA, protect your rights...NRA.ORG

Ever notice the celebrity anti-gunners who happen to have armed bodyguards and live in gated communities with armed checkpoint for entry and exit?

Either by proxy or direct, they are still reliant on guns for protection. What message does it send for a liberal elite to stand their with an armed body guard(s) telling law abiding citizens that it is time to get rid of guns? It says, "my life is worth more than yours. do as I say, not as I do." .

 

[Rotagilla]

Being a good neighbor makes you safer than being a dick with a gun.

The last 4 words of your post are very revealing..in a couple of ways.

When I was on the job in Texas I was armed on-duty and at home. Didn't make me think I was safer though. Just made me think of the weapon every time something went bump in the night instead of "just a bump in the night." When you have a weapon handy it occupies every hypothetical that arrises instead of simply shrugging it off. That's no way to live.

You make a lot of generalizations about how people ought to live, and what their mindsets should be regarding potential for violence in their own personal situations.

You should stick to your humorous perv posts.

People who spend a great amount of time imagining the worst will very likely find it someday. But statiscally it's unlikely. But when you're armed you tend to look for occasions to use it, or all that preparation isn't justified.

Bad things happen to good people.

Statisically, odds are my house won't burn down, but I still have homeowners insurance.

Statistically, it's unlikely I'll die this year, but I'll pay my life insurance premium just the same.

And, statistically speaking, the chances I'll get a flat today are extremely low, but I won't be removing my spare tire from the back of the pickup.

Like insurance and spare tires...I'd rather have a gun and not need it, than need it and not have it.

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[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I want the type shotgun Charles Bronson used in Mr Majestyk movie.
One of those pump action deals....

When I fill out the form I will say I need it for rodent protection.Home use...

That sucks you live in a state that requires you to declare a reason for owning a gun. I hope you escape from that hell hole.

 

[Missourian]

Missourian -

And yet we all know that, statistically, you are safer without the guns.

And that is why it is not about proving.

It's about perception.

We know no such thing. And please don't post that debunked Kellerman myth.

 

[Saigon]

Missourian -

Yes, we know that. It's been established in at least half a dozen studies that I am aware of. All come up with fairly similar conclusions.

It's much like with international comparisons - any study is going to come up ith broadly similar conclusions, and I think that everyone is aware of those.

In either case more studies could be done, but they are only going to confirm what is not already known, but was obvious before any studies were done.

What you have is a perception of safety. Nothing more.

 

[Missourian]

The anti-gunners have been attempting to demonize guns, gun owners and the NRA...and it's not working.

That's the point.

You want to convince most Americans, myself included, that MY gun rights should be infringed upon, your going to have to do better than attacking penis size, suspending kids from school for making finger guns and the NRA.

 

[rightwinger]

Personally, I don't care if you feel safer with a gun in your house. If you own a gun for your protection and follow basic safety rules ....go for it

Those who own an arsenal in anticipation of the day they will have to stare down invaders from the government are freak'n nuts though

 

[Missourian]

Missourian -

Yes, we know that. It's been established in at least half a dozen studies that I am aware of. All come up with fairly similar conclusions.

It's much like with international comparisons - any study is going to come up ith broadly similar conclusions, and I think that everyone is aware of those.

In either case more studies could be done, but they are only going to confirm what is not already known, but was obvious before any studies were done.

What you have is a perception of safety. Nothing more.

No, we do not know that. Kellerman went out of his way to reach his conclusions, as have others.

But the reality is More Guns, Less Crime.

There are an estimated ONE MILLION defensive gun use incidents in the U.S. per year. There is no doubt that guns save lives.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The Socialist Left loves to demonize the NRA. What they don't realize is that this organization, started in 1890 to teach firearms use and safety to future generations, didn't become political until the Left made efforts to ban guns. The NRA, seeing the danger, formed the ILA branch to lobby for gun rights and correct the myths of the Lying Left regarding guns and gun rights. You on the Statist Left created the NRA-ILA and now public opinion is swayed more by the accurate information provided by the NRA-ILA than the myths of the Anti-gun Left.

So suck it! You lose.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Personally, I don't care if you feel safer with a gun in your house. If you own a gun for your protection and follow basic safety rules ....go for it

Those who own an arsenal in anticipation of the day they will have to stare down invaders from the government are freak'n nuts though

Because that could never happen, right? Police in New Orleans didn't go house to house to confiscate people's guns, right? The only nutcase here is you thinking that government can be trusted and will never grow tyrannical.

 

[Saigon]

But the reality is More Guns, Less Crime.

A reality disproven in every genuinely academic study ever made, and fairly obvious to anyone who has looked at this WaPo chart.

 

[Saigon]

And yes, in some cases guns will save lives, without question.

But those lives saved are outnumbered by a significant %, by lives lost which would not otherwise have been lost.

We know this, because countries with less guns, have less homicides. Period.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And yes, in some cases guns will save lives, without question.

But those lives saved are outnumbered by a significant %, by lives lost which would not otherwise have been lost.

We know this, because countries with less guns, have less homicides. Period.

They have less homicides by firearms. Stop lying.

 

[Missourian]

And yes, in some cases guns will save lives, without question.

But those lives saved are outnumbered by a significant %, by lives lost which would not otherwise have been lost.

We know this, because countries with less guns, have less homicides. Period.

But the reality is More Guns, Less Crime.

A reality disproven in every genuinely academic study ever made, and fairly obvious to anyone who has looked at this WaPo chart.

Good Grief, here we go again...where is Mexico and Russia?

Both countries with strict gun control.

And what was Australia's murder rate before strict gun control compared to after?

And what was the U.K.'s murder rate before strict gun control compared to after?

What...it was the same? Much lower than America's both before and after? Say it isn't so?

And America's homicide rate is at a 40 year low, even though there is one gun for every man, woman and child in the U.S.

Kinda blows that gun control argument out of the water.

These are the difficulties in comparing one country to another.

Let's compare America to itself...more guns, less crime.

 

[Saigon]

Saint -

I am not lying, bauble. Check any source.

Of course the US has up to 138 times the numbers of gun-related homocides of most western countries - it also has between 4 and ten times the TOTAL number of homicides.

Thus, Missourian's sense of safety is false.

 

[Saigon]

Missourian -

Please use like-on-like comparisons, rather than simply cherry pick the likes of Russia and Mexico. You are smarter than that, dude.

We can also prove that the US has a better education system than Burundi or Fiji, but that is hardly a cause for celebration.

The US is a large, western country with high levels of immigration and urbanisation. In that sense, it is more like France, Germany, the UK, Canada or perhaps Italy - and less like Estonian, Mexico or Russia - all of whom are damn near run by heavily armed mafia and in some cases militia.

 

[Care4all]

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

As it turns out, a strong majority of Americans agree with this statement -- at least when it comes to their own homes. And while most social movements are slow-changing, Americans have moved toward embracing guns in the home rather rapidly.

Gallup has long asked Americans whether they thought having a gun in their home would make their home "safer" or "more dangerous." In 2000, 35 percent of Americans thought it would make them safer. Today, that number is at 63 percent.

Why the NRA is so powerful in 1 chart - The Washington Post

Join the NRA, protect your rights...NRA.ORG

yet only 35-39% of households have a gun in their household??? You would think it would match this 'poll' at 63%, no?

Are guns just too expensive for these 63% that SAY it makes household's safer, to be able to buy one, for the safety of their own household?? OR, do they live in areas restricted???

 

[The2ndAmendment]

And in my car. Just four days ago a pedestrian tried to beat my car door down at a red light bearing a knife. My shotgun came out from under it's blanket, making him stall long enough for the police (not even a block away) to blare their sirens, flash their lights, and come to my rescue and throw him in the slammer.

He claimed that I "cut him off" on the crosswalk. Given the fact that is was nighttime and no street lights other than the red light, that may be possible, but that doesn't mean you draw a knife and try to break my door, knowing that I can't take off into the traffic across from me.

 

[Missourian]

Missourian -

Please use like-on-like comparisons, rather than simply cherry pick the likes of Russia and Mexico. You are smarter than that, dude.

We can also prove that the US has a better education system than Burundi or Fiji, but that is hardly a cause for celebration.

The US is a large, western country with high levels of immigration and urbanisation. In that sense, it is more like France, Germany, the UK, Canada or perhaps Italy - and less like Estonian, Mexico or Russia - all of whom are damn near run by heavily armed mafia and in some cases militia.

I didn't cherry pick, your chart did.

America, for whatever reason, is more violent than Europe.

The U.K. had a much lower homicide rate per capita than the U.S. BEFORE they disarmed their citizens.

Australia had a much lower homicide rate per capita than the U.S. BEFORE they disarmed their citizens.

And what do we see trending in those countries AFTER they disarmed their citizenry?

A reduction in homicide rates MUCH LESS than the reduction in the homicide rate in the U.S. where gun ownership is a constitutionally protected right!

There is no arguing with those facts.