$15 an Hour Minimum Wage?

[PoliticalChic]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

No, that was in the 2007 bill. Obama never actually passed an increase himself.

History of The US Minimum Wage - From The Very First Minimum Wage (bebusinessed.com)

"July 2008 (GW Bush): $6.55/hr ($7.12/hr)

July 2009 (Obama): $7.25/hr ($7.80/hr)"

Minimum Wage laws....walter e. williams

1. While legislative bodies have the power to order wage increases, they have not as of yet found a way to order commensurate increases in worker productivity that make the worker’s output worth the higher wage.
2. Further, while Congress can legislate the wage at which labor transactions occur, it cannot require that the transaction actually be made, and the worker hired.

Working more for less: How wages in America have stagnated

Which as what to do with this?


Minimum Wage laws....walter e. williams

1. While legislative bodies have the power to order wage increases, they have not as of yet found a way to order commensurate increases in worker productivity that make the worker’s output worth the higher wage.
2. Further, while Congress can legislate the wage at which labor transactions occur, it cannot require that the transaction actually be made, and the worker hired.

It's in the link. Record productivity.

So you couldn't come up with any answer, merely seek relevance????

You appear to be having a Garden of Gethsemane moment.

 

[pknopp]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

No, that was in the 2007 bill. Obama never actually passed an increase himself.

History of The US Minimum Wage - From The Very First Minimum Wage (bebusinessed.com)

"July 2008 (GW Bush): $6.55/hr ($7.12/hr)

July 2009 (Obama): $7.25/hr ($7.80/hr)"

Minimum Wage laws....walter e. williams

1. While legislative bodies have the power to order wage increases, they have not as of yet found a way to order commensurate increases in worker productivity that make the worker’s output worth the higher wage.
2. Further, while Congress can legislate the wage at which labor transactions occur, it cannot require that the transaction actually be made, and the worker hired.

Working more for less: How wages in America have stagnated

Which as what to do with this?


Minimum Wage laws....walter e. williams

1. While legislative bodies have the power to order wage increases, they have not as of yet found a way to order commensurate increases in worker productivity that make the worker’s output worth the higher wage.
2. Further, while Congress can legislate the wage at which labor transactions occur, it cannot require that the transaction actually be made, and the worker hired.

It's in the link. Record productivity.

So you couldn't come up with any answer, merely seek relevance????

You appear to be having a Garden of Gethsemane moment.

Sucks for you that I did.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

"The minimum-wage law prices many of the inexperienced, the young, the unskilled, and the disadvantaged out of the labor market. (For example, the minimum-wage provisions passed as part of another act in 1933 threw an estimated 500,000 blacks out of work.)"

Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

Great Myths of the Great Depression

fee.org

http://fee.org/media/12185/great-myths-print-final.pdf

 

[pknopp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

 

[PoliticalChic]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

" I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage."

I don't doubt that that is your policy, because, after all, it is the stupidest thing one can do.



As St. Bernard noted....
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"


1. The most basic rules of economics
Minimum Wage laws....walter e. williams

1. While legislative bodies have the power to order wage increases, they have not as of yet found a way to order commensurate increases in worker productivity that make the worker’s output worth the higher wage.
2. Further, while Congress can legislate the wage at which labor transactions occur, it cannot require that the transaction actually be made, and the worker hired.

Just one of the myriad rules that Liberals/Democrats are incapable of understanding.


2. "California City Raises Wages for Grocery Workers, Grocery Chain Responds Predictably
The City of Long Beach, California has been among the hardest hit in the country as a result of COVID-19 restrictions placed by both the state and the City of Long Beach. Lots of small businesses continue to remain closed and those lucky enough to be open are struggling for business. Among the businesses that never closed, grocery stores have been exempt from most, if not all of the government-imposed restrictions.

3. In order to reward the work of grocery store employees, Long Beach passed the “Hero Pay” measure, which increased the pay of grocery store employees by four dollars an hour. While the measure seems like it was well-intentioned, good intentions don’t balance budgets nor make the availability of products any more diverse. Long Beach officials were looking for a positive moment in the press, however, the Kroger grocery brand quickly put that to rest, by announcing that they were closing two grocery stores in the city, a Ralph’s location as well as a Food4Less store.

4. ...Kroger tied the decision to close the stores directly to the ordinance.
Hello! Despite our teams’ efforts to overcome the financial challenges we were already facing in these locations, the extra pay for some but not all grocery workers imposed by Long Beach City Council makes it impossible to run a financially sustainable business.


5. With the announcement that Kroger was closing 30% of their Long Beach locations, you’d think that other local governments would have caught on, but instead, as you’d expect from idiot progressives, they decided to follow Long Beach’s example and announce their own “Hero Pay” measure. Of course, Los Angeles was not to be outdone and increased the pay in their measure to five dollars.


6.Imagine being as insane as to watch a policy literally backfire, which will lead to the layoff of dozens if not hundreds or thousands of grocery workers, reduced hours for the workers who are not laid off (with greater responsibilities), the reduction of accessibility of products (because of the likely closing of other stores) and other horrible outcomes, and still enacting the policy anyway. When I have said for a long time that liberalism is a mental disorder, I mean it. Their policy proposals are so divorced from reality that when the chickens for their horrible policies come home to roost, they have yet another policy in the hopper ready to wreck business or industry.


If only someone could predict these outcomes when these policies are forwarded. You know… like anyone who has the first friggin’ clue about how to run a business or what this crazy thing is that is called a “budget.”

California City Raises Wages for Grocery Workers, Grocery Chain Responds Predictably
Long Beach passed the "Hero Pay" measure, which increased the pay of grocery store employees by four dollars an hour. The Kroger grocery brand quickly announced that they were closing two grocery stores in the city.

redstate.com

 

[Wyatt earp]

COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and there was prosperity, absolutely no national debt, the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

Uh, guy, you think that there was "prosperity" in the 1920's?

Really?

Despite the fact there were two massive depressions in that time, even during the supposedly "good" years, most people in the US lived in grinding poverty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zp77pbk/revision/2#:~:text=For%20many%20Americans%2C%20the%201920s,of%20the%20%E2%80%9CRoaring%20Twenties%E2%80%9D

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For many Americans, the 1920s was a decade of poverty. More than 60 per cent of Americans lived just below the poverty line.

Generally, groups such as farmers, black Americans, immigrants and the older industries did not enjoy the prosperity of the “Roaring Twenties”.

Now, yeah, by the 1950's we had a middle class, because

The rich were forced to pay their fair share.
We had a workforce that was 33% unionized, allowing working people to join the "middle class".
Government took proactive measures to reduce the effect of recessions.

WWII

 

[Wyatt earp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

Don't tax them out of the country then

 

[Wyatt earp]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

Australia? Where you pay 1 dollar for 1 lemon?

Australia has classes of wage earners. Some highly skilled jobs have a very high minimum wage. Other jobs, considered entry level or training jobs have a lower minimum wage than we offer. It would do us good to switch to an Australian type model.

Micro manage wages?

A minister of minimum wage laws what a cluster fuck

 

[pknopp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

Don't tax them out of the country then

Sorry? How much in taxes does Amazon pay?

Besides, they don't leave over taxes. They still have to pay taxes here. They leave to exploit the labor elsewhere.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

Don't tax them out of the country then

Sorry? How much in taxes does Amazon pay?

Besides, they don't leave over taxes. They still have to pay taxes here. They leave to exploit the labor elsewhere.

Of course they leave over high taxes, Jesus Christ.

 

[pknopp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

Don't tax them out of the country then

Sorry? How much in taxes does Amazon pay?

Besides, they don't leave over taxes. They still have to pay taxes here. They leave to exploit the labor elsewhere.

Of course they leave over high taxes, Jesus Christ.

They are US companies. They still pay the taxes.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

Federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour for a long time:

Federal Minimum Wage 2024 - Minimum-Wage.org

www.minimum-wage.org

Also those calling for the Federal hike should request their State to hike it instead but as usual they prefer big brother to do a National hike instead...

 

[pknopp]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

Federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour for a long time:

Federal Minimum Wage 2024 - Minimum-Wage.org

www.minimum-wage.org

Also those calling for the Federal hike should request their State to hike it instead but as usual they prefer big brother to do a National hike instead...

The vast majority of states have. As long as "big brother" is going to continue to bail out Wall Street I'm going to advocate for the other end.

 

[JoeB131]

You didn't need 2 salaries to pay a mortgage in the 1920's.
You could afford to have kids in the 20's.

Again, you have a pretty distorted view.

In the 1920's most people didn't have mortgages because they didn't own their own homes. Home ownership actually FELL in the 1920's due to Urbanization and the Great Depression.

People couldn't necessarily afford to have kids, it's just they didn't have as much choice when contraception was very rudimentary and Abortion was still technically illegal (although a lot of women still had them.)

Shit, man, My grandparents immigrated her from Germany in the 1920's, and I live like a King compared to them. It was so bad they tried to return to Germany in 1930, and then left when the Nazis took power.

 

[JoeB131]

They don't call in the roaring 20's for nothing. It was a great decade with at POTUS who understood how to get out of a recession.

Um, wow. What fucking retarded Home School did you learn your history from?

They were called the "Roaring 20's" because frankly, a lot of the social mores broke down after WWI, Prohibition and due to the Depression. they had other names for it, such as "The Lost Generation", because those who survived WWI and the Spanish Flu had become largely fatalistic. Prohibition caused massive corruption, wiped out a whole sector of the economy, and caused rampant organized crime to spring up.

The 1920's kind of sucked, which is why you got FDR and the Republicans were sent to the Political Wilderness for a Generation.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

Federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour for a long time:

Federal Minimum Wage 2024 - Minimum-Wage.org

www.minimum-wage.org

Also those calling for the Federal hike should request their State to hike it instead but as usual they prefer big brother to do a National hike instead...

The vast majority of states have. As long as "big brother" is going to continue to bail out Wall Street I'm going to advocate for the other end.

Vast majority of states have not raised their minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour, so let cut with the nonsense there...

Also the Federal Government bails out so many things on the taxpayer dime and let say they stopped bailing out Wall Street, well you will shift the goal posts and declare something else must be done first to change your mind which would never be changed ever...

Fact is every state can raise it minimum wage, so ask yourself why you state believe it should not and then run candidates that can win and raise it!

 

[pknopp]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

Federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour for a long time:

Federal Minimum Wage 2024 - Minimum-Wage.org

www.minimum-wage.org

Also those calling for the Federal hike should request their State to hike it instead but as usual they prefer big brother to do a National hike instead...

The vast majority of states have. As long as "big brother" is going to continue to bail out Wall Street I'm going to advocate for the other end.

Vast majority of states have not raised their minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour, so let cut with the nonsense there...

Bite me. That isn't what was replied to.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If the minimum wage ever get's pushed to $15.00 an hour, then all other wage groups need to be likewise raised in order to keep inflation that will come from the sudden doubling of the federal minimum, from eating up their standard of living.
Of course, once you've done that, you are right back where you were before the increase.

The only way to make this work for everyone, is to continue with the slow gradual increase.

In addition, the minimum wage should not ever be at a level that would be considered a "livable wage".
Minimum wage earners, need to earn, and prove their worth before they are moved to the next levels.

As long as the old "livable wage" jobs continue to go overseas, I'm going to support a higher and higher minimum wage .

Don't tax them out of the country then

Sorry? How much in taxes does Amazon pay?

Besides, they don't leave over taxes. They still have to pay taxes here. They leave to exploit the labor elsewhere.

Of course they leave over high taxes, Jesus Christ.

They are US companies. They still pay the taxes.

How do they pay the high taxes of detroit when they left?

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Maybe next time.

Senate votes down $15 minimum wage during vote-a-rama. Bernie Sanders seems unfazed. (yahoo.com)

" By a voice vote, for example, the senators approved an amendment from Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) to "prohibit the increase of the federal minimum wage during a global pandemic." Raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is one of the heavy lifts in Biden's proposal. "

It’s been proven that a higher minimum wage is good for the economy and ultimately doesn’t hurt business (see Australia). The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades. It costs have.

The minimum wage hasn’t been raised in decades.

Decades?

When was the last time it was raised?

Last time a increase was passed was 2007 under Bush.

really?

Obama didn't raise it from $7.25 to $7.80 in 2009??

Federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour for a long time:

Federal Minimum Wage 2024 - Minimum-Wage.org

www.minimum-wage.org

Also those calling for the Federal hike should request their State to hike it instead but as usual they prefer big brother to do a National hike instead...

Well it seem a moderator has an issue with me pointing out the facts again and of course it is Me!Belle but she never offer to prove my comment to be incorrect and why?

Simple, the Federal minimum wage hike happened under Bush and not Obama but of course Trump voting base does not care about facts and live in a alternate reality as usual...