Old Rocks
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It takes 3 months and the hurricane season starts in less than a month. Going to be very interesting.
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Worst case scenario - oil spill
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I doubt it.
It takes 3 months and the hurricane season starts in less than a month. Going to be very interesting.
WOW! you are not very good at this are you..... okay I will help you this time... First if you are trying to be funny and insult people at the same time. it helps to make sure other people find you funny as well as your but buddy.... Remember relying on friends to tell you you're funny is always a mistake. They are your friends and will lie to make you feel good about yourself....
okay, in the meantime work on the homosexual overtones a bit... Too obvious and it creeped a bit..... kinda sounded like a public pool stalker for a second......
Oh-Oh!...Hit a touchy spot!...Make note: Slacker has tendencies to transfer his un-natural fascination with children onto others..I won't bring it up again..I REALLY don't want to know about it.
Hmmm more of the infatuation??? Dude seek help....
You are one of those guys hanging out at the public pools aren't you.... yeah you don't swim but you're always there arent ya......
Word up slacker...this isn't your confessional....save it for if you go to jail or prison... They will be all ears..
You have already indicated what you are .. I hate to tell ya but better earlier than later... Start over.... For Real.. I'm not a hater ..I'm here to kick neo con ass for fun... your child sex references will cause you forever grief...really dude...
You are welcome to take safe refuge in the HOMO CAGE over on my "The List"... You might even make friends there...they have "unusual tastes"...
Big Fitz
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IIRC, the wave action breaks down spills rather quickly thanks to mechanical action, causing it to settle out and go under rather than float, allowing the sea to 'eat' it quicker.I doubt it.It takes 3 months and the hurricane season starts in less than a month. Going to be very interesting.
Old Rocks
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This particular grade of oil emulsifies with wave action. Meaning that it is in all horizons of the ocean. If you look at the dead fauna washing up on the shore now, you will see birds, turtles, and catfish among them. Animals from the ocean surface to the ocean bottom.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
This particular grade of oil emulsifies with wave action. Meaning that it is in all horizons of the ocean. If you look at the dead fauna washing up on the shore now, you will see birds, turtles, and catfish among them. Animals from the ocean surface to the ocean bottom.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
You are a liar. You are bastard people and I hate your ass faces!
gslack
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Oh-Oh!...Hit a touchy spot!
Hmmm more of the infatuation??? Dude seek help....
You are one of those guys hanging out at the public pools aren't you.... yeah you don't swim but you're always there arent ya......
Word up slacker...this isn't your confessional....save it for if you go to jail or prison... They will be all ears..
You have already indicated what you are .. I hate to tell ya but better earlier than later... Start over.... For Real.. I'm not a hater ..I'm here to kick neo con ass for fun... your child sex references will cause you forever grief...really dude...
You are welcome to take safe refuge in the HOMO CAGE over on my "The List"... You might even make friends there...they have "unusual tastes"...
Bullshit all you want punk, the truth is there in the posts... Come on man give us some more of those ignorant Haiku's.... Your butt buddy seemed to like them.... Express yourself artsy-fartsy man....
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Valerie
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May 3, 2010 --
How exactly would oil travel hundreds of mile from the Deepwater Horizon site to the entire East Coast of the United States?
The Gulf Loop Current, a circular stream of warm water that runs through the Gulf of Mexico during the spring and summer, is basically the highway upon which the oil slick would travel. The loop pulls currents from the Caribbean Basin and around the Gulf of Mexico. After water is dragged south and through the Florida Strait, it enters the Atlantic Ocean and joins with the more powerful Gulf Stream.
Gulf Loop Current Spreads Out Oil Spill: Big Pic : Discovery News
Video from Discovery News:
Earth: Gulf Coast Expert: Oil Spill Threatens Seafood : Video : Discovery News
Old Rocks
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With the hurricane season just around the corner, I don't see any way that this is going to be kept out of the estuaries. We have only seen the start of this catastrophe.
gslack
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With the hurricane season just around the corner, I don't see any way that this is going to be kept out of the estuaries. We have only seen the start of this catastrophe.
And BP and the owners of the rig will pay for cleaning it all up.
Does this warrant a tax on life? I don't think so, and whats more no carbon credit/cap and trade will stop or even limit fossil fuels use. Why should it, why it will create a new market to make money from the effects...
Right now fossil fuels are taxed to no end and did any of it matter? No, they still make it we still use it. Why because its the easiest, cheapest, and most reliable source we have.You think a tax on the effects of fossil fuel use will bring a change? HA! good luck getting the people making billions off the use of fossil fuels to help stop fossil fuel use...... THis is just retarded..
ON THE GULF OF MEXICO -- The deadly blowout of an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP's internal investigation.
While the cause of the explosion is still under investigation, the sequence of events described in the interviews provides the most detailed account of the April 20 blast that killed 11 workers and touched off the underwater gusher that has poured more than 3 million gallons of crude into the Gulf.
Portions of the interviews, two written and one taped, were described in detail to an Associated Press reporter by Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety and worked for BP PLC as a risk assessment consultant during the 1990s. He received them from industry friends seeking his expert opinion.
Seven BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts. Meanwhile, far below, the rig was being converted from an exploration well to a production well.
Workers set and then tested a cement seal at the bottom of the well. Then they reduced the pressure in the drill column and attempted to set a second seal below the sea floor. A chemical reaction caused by the setting cement created heat and a gas bubble which destroyed the seal.
Deep beneath the seafloor, methane is in a slushy, crystalline form. Deep sea oil drillers often encounter pockets of methane crystals as they dig into the earth.
As the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, the interviews said.
"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."
Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the sea water in the drill column suddenly shooting back at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air. Then, gas surfaced. Then oil.
"What we had learned when I worked as a drill rig laborer was swoosh, boom, run," Bea said. "The swoosh is the gas, boom is the explosion and run is what you better be doing."
The gas flooded into an adjoining room with exposed ignition sources, he said.
"That's where the first explosion happened," said Bea, who worked for Shell Oil in the 1960s during the last big northern Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. "The mud room was next to the quarters where the party was. Then there was a series of explosions that subsequently ignited the oil that was coming from below."
According to one interview transcript, a gas cloud covered the rig, causing giant engines on the drill floor to run too fast and explode. The engines blew off the rig and set "everything on fire," the account said. Another explosion below blew more equipment overboard.
BP spokesman John Curry would not comment Friday night on whether methane gas or the series of events described in the internal documents caused the accident.
"Clearly, what happened on the Deepwater Horizon was a tragic accident," said Curry, who is based at an oil spill command center in Robert, Louisiana. "We anticipate all the facts will come out in a full investigation."
The BP executives were injured but survived, according to one account. Nine rig crew on the rig floor and two engineers died.
"The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they managed to get in the life boats with assistance from others," said the transcript.
The reports made Bea, the 73-year-old industry veteran, cry.
"It sure as hell is painful," he said. "Tears of frustration and anger."
On Friday, a BP-chartered vessel lowered a 100-ton concrete-and-steel vault onto the ruptured well, an important step in a delicate and unprecedented attempt to stop most of the gushing crude fouling the sea.
"We are essentially taking a four-story building and lowering it 5,000 feet and setting it on the head of a pin," BP spokesman Bill Salvin told The Associated Press.
Underwater robots guided the 40-foot-tall box into place in a slow-moving drama. Now that the contraption is on the seafloor, workers will need at least 12 hours to let it settle and make sure it's stable before the robots can hook up a pipe and hose that will funnel the oil up to a tanker.
"It appears to be going exactly as we hoped," Salvin said on Friday afternoon, shortly after the four-story device hit the seafloor. "Still lots of challenges ahead, but this is very good progress."
By Sunday, the box the size of a house could be capturing up to 85 percent of the oil.
The task became increasingly urgent as toxic oil crept deeper into the bays and marshes of the Mississippi Delta.
A sheen of oil began arriving on land last week, and crews have been laying booms, spraying chemical dispersants and setting fire to the slick to try to keep it from coming ashore. But now the thicker, stickier goo -- arrayed in vivid, brick-colored ribbons -- is drawing ever closer to Louisiana's coastal communities.
There are still untold risks and unknowns with the containment box: The approach has never been tried at such depths, where the water pressure is enough to crush a submarine, and any wrong move could damage the leaking pipe and make the problem worse. The seafloor is pitch black and the water murky, though lights on the robots illuminate the area where they are working.
If the box works, another one will be dropped onto a second, smaller leak at the bottom of the Gulf.
At the same time, crews are drilling sideways into the well in hopes of plugging it up with mud and concrete, and they are working on other ways to cap it.
Investigators looking into the cause of the explosion have been focusing on the so-called blowout preventer. Federal regulators told The Associated Press Friday that they are going to examine whether these last-resort cutoff valves on offshore oil wells are reliable.
Blowouts are infrequent, because well holes are blocked by piping and pumped-in materials like synthetic mud, cement and even sea water. The pipes are plugged with cement, so fluid and gas can't typically push up inside the pipes.
Instead, a typical blowout surges up a channel around the piping. The narrow space between the well walls and the piping is usually filled with cement, so there is no pathway for a blowout. But if the cement or broken piping leaves enough space, a surge can rise to the surface.
There, at the wellhead of exploratory wells, sits the massive steel contraption known as a blowout preventer. It can snuff a blowout by squeezing rubber seals tightly around the pipes with up to 1 million pounds of force. If the seals fail, the blowout preventer deploys a last line of defense: a set of rams that can slice right through the pipes and cap the blowout.
Deepwater Horizon was also equipped with an automated backup system called a Deadman. It should have activated the blowout preventer even if workers could not.
Based on the interviews with rig workers, none of those safeguards worked.
FOXNews.com - Methane Gas Bubble Triggered Deadly Oil Rig Explosion
While the cause of the explosion is still under investigation, the sequence of events described in the interviews provides the most detailed account of the April 20 blast that killed 11 workers and touched off the underwater gusher that has poured more than 3 million gallons of crude into the Gulf.
Portions of the interviews, two written and one taped, were described in detail to an Associated Press reporter by Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety and worked for BP PLC as a risk assessment consultant during the 1990s. He received them from industry friends seeking his expert opinion.
Seven BP executives were on board the Deepwater Horizon rig celebrating the project's safety record, according to the transcripts. Meanwhile, far below, the rig was being converted from an exploration well to a production well.
Workers set and then tested a cement seal at the bottom of the well. Then they reduced the pressure in the drill column and attempted to set a second seal below the sea floor. A chemical reaction caused by the setting cement created heat and a gas bubble which destroyed the seal.
Deep beneath the seafloor, methane is in a slushy, crystalline form. Deep sea oil drillers often encounter pockets of methane crystals as they dig into the earth.
As the bubble rose up the drill column from the high-pressure environs of the deep to the less pressurized shallows, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, the interviews said.
"A small bubble becomes a really big bubble," Bea said. "So the expanding bubble becomes like a cannon shooting the gas into your face."
Up on the rig, the first thing workers noticed was the sea water in the drill column suddenly shooting back at them, rocketing 240 feet in the air. Then, gas surfaced. Then oil.
"What we had learned when I worked as a drill rig laborer was swoosh, boom, run," Bea said. "The swoosh is the gas, boom is the explosion and run is what you better be doing."
The gas flooded into an adjoining room with exposed ignition sources, he said.
"That's where the first explosion happened," said Bea, who worked for Shell Oil in the 1960s during the last big northern Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. "The mud room was next to the quarters where the party was. Then there was a series of explosions that subsequently ignited the oil that was coming from below."
According to one interview transcript, a gas cloud covered the rig, causing giant engines on the drill floor to run too fast and explode. The engines blew off the rig and set "everything on fire," the account said. Another explosion below blew more equipment overboard.
BP spokesman John Curry would not comment Friday night on whether methane gas or the series of events described in the internal documents caused the accident.
"Clearly, what happened on the Deepwater Horizon was a tragic accident," said Curry, who is based at an oil spill command center in Robert, Louisiana. "We anticipate all the facts will come out in a full investigation."
The BP executives were injured but survived, according to one account. Nine rig crew on the rig floor and two engineers died.
"The furniture and walls trapped some and broke some bones but they managed to get in the life boats with assistance from others," said the transcript.
The reports made Bea, the 73-year-old industry veteran, cry.
"It sure as hell is painful," he said. "Tears of frustration and anger."
On Friday, a BP-chartered vessel lowered a 100-ton concrete-and-steel vault onto the ruptured well, an important step in a delicate and unprecedented attempt to stop most of the gushing crude fouling the sea.
"We are essentially taking a four-story building and lowering it 5,000 feet and setting it on the head of a pin," BP spokesman Bill Salvin told The Associated Press.
Underwater robots guided the 40-foot-tall box into place in a slow-moving drama. Now that the contraption is on the seafloor, workers will need at least 12 hours to let it settle and make sure it's stable before the robots can hook up a pipe and hose that will funnel the oil up to a tanker.
"It appears to be going exactly as we hoped," Salvin said on Friday afternoon, shortly after the four-story device hit the seafloor. "Still lots of challenges ahead, but this is very good progress."
By Sunday, the box the size of a house could be capturing up to 85 percent of the oil.
The task became increasingly urgent as toxic oil crept deeper into the bays and marshes of the Mississippi Delta.
A sheen of oil began arriving on land last week, and crews have been laying booms, spraying chemical dispersants and setting fire to the slick to try to keep it from coming ashore. But now the thicker, stickier goo -- arrayed in vivid, brick-colored ribbons -- is drawing ever closer to Louisiana's coastal communities.
There are still untold risks and unknowns with the containment box: The approach has never been tried at such depths, where the water pressure is enough to crush a submarine, and any wrong move could damage the leaking pipe and make the problem worse. The seafloor is pitch black and the water murky, though lights on the robots illuminate the area where they are working.
If the box works, another one will be dropped onto a second, smaller leak at the bottom of the Gulf.
At the same time, crews are drilling sideways into the well in hopes of plugging it up with mud and concrete, and they are working on other ways to cap it.
Investigators looking into the cause of the explosion have been focusing on the so-called blowout preventer. Federal regulators told The Associated Press Friday that they are going to examine whether these last-resort cutoff valves on offshore oil wells are reliable.
Blowouts are infrequent, because well holes are blocked by piping and pumped-in materials like synthetic mud, cement and even sea water. The pipes are plugged with cement, so fluid and gas can't typically push up inside the pipes.
Instead, a typical blowout surges up a channel around the piping. The narrow space between the well walls and the piping is usually filled with cement, so there is no pathway for a blowout. But if the cement or broken piping leaves enough space, a surge can rise to the surface.
There, at the wellhead of exploratory wells, sits the massive steel contraption known as a blowout preventer. It can snuff a blowout by squeezing rubber seals tightly around the pipes with up to 1 million pounds of force. If the seals fail, the blowout preventer deploys a last line of defense: a set of rams that can slice right through the pipes and cap the blowout.
Deepwater Horizon was also equipped with an automated backup system called a Deadman. It should have activated the blowout preventer even if workers could not.
Based on the interviews with rig workers, none of those safeguards worked.
FOXNews.com - Methane Gas Bubble Triggered Deadly Oil Rig Explosion
Big Fitz
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oh good god...This particular grade of oil emulsifies with wave action. Meaning that it is in all horizons of the ocean. If you look at the dead fauna washing up on the shore now, you will see birds, turtles, and catfish among them. Animals from the ocean surface to the ocean bottom.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
do you want a sammich board to go wandering around the streets of new york to tell people the end is nigh? I'm sure Westwall, me, Dude and Gslack will pitch in for a brass bell for you to ring too? You in with me guys? LOL
REMOVED for inappropriate threats.oh good god...This particular grade of oil emulsifies with wave action. Meaning that it is in all horizons of the ocean. If you look at the dead fauna washing up on the shore now, you will see birds, turtles, and catfish among them. Animals from the ocean surface to the ocean bottom.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
do you want a sammich board to go wandering around the streets of new york to tell people the end is nigh? I'm sure Westwall, me, Dude and Gslack will pitch in for a brass bell for you to ring too? You in with me guys? LOL
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Edited.oh good god...This particular grade of oil emulsifies with wave action. Meaning that it is in all horizons of the ocean. If you look at the dead fauna washing up on the shore now, you will see birds, turtles, and catfish among them. Animals from the ocean surface to the ocean bottom.
If they cannot stop this rather sooner than later, the corals in the Florida Keys may become just a memory.
do you want a sammich board to go wandering around the streets of new york to tell people the end is nigh? I'm sure Westwall, me, Dude and Gslack will pitch in for a brass bell for you to ring too? You in with me guys? LOL
You are about to step in it. I've been nicked for less.
Maybe she meant on land.
Maybe she meant on land.
I don't think it matters to Jim. I don't think anything does.
Today BP reported that it has sucessfully inserted a riser siphon into the leaking pipe and they are now diverting the oil to a tanker. How many of you believe this will actually work? Also, it they can insert a 6 inch pipe or hose into the gusher, why can't they cap it off? I am thinking that the force of the emerging oil is such that this rememdy will be short lived and won't even make a dent.
You very clearly feel that this is a disaster of epic proportions and feel that no oil should be drilled for anymore so why don't you start by ending your use of any product that uses oil in it's production or transport. That way when enough of you drop off of the grid the demand for oil will drop and you will see a corresponding reduction in the production of oil. Simple.
This could be the worse man made disaster ever. It will take the Gulf Coast decades, if ever, to recover from this spill. Palin's word's "Drill Baby Drill!" will be remembered for a long time.
westwall, do you work for FOX? You should are good at summerizing with a spin.
You obviously assume that I am against off shore drilling, when in fact, I am not. I think it is fine if it is done responsibly. When coastal environments are at risk, all safeguards need to be taken. I think that over the last 8-10 years, the oil industry has seen loosened regs. that tredn needs to be reversed.
You obviously assume that I am against off shore drilling, when in fact, I am not. I think it is fine if it is done responsibly. When coastal environments are at risk, all safeguards need to be taken. I think that over the last 8-10 years, the oil industry has seen loosened regs. that tredn needs to be reversed.
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