CDZ why not trust a teacher with a gun?

[Picaro]

To ignore that as a possibility Mr Admiral is reckless. New things happen every day. You of all people know bullets have no name on them. If a teacher is trying to defend her students from an active shooter and accidentally shoots a staff member, child or even themselves... who is at fault?

You really think it would be anybody's fault but the criminal asshole who started the incident?

Why can't the police force be used to protect our community including our schools. It sounds like someone wants to be cheap and its dangerous.

And you sound like somebody completely clueless about the realities of police response times. Here's a clue: It's nothing like those TV shows you watch.

 

[Picaro]

Arming teachers doesn't solve the problem of people being able to waltz into a school with guns.

I really don't care if teachers are armed or not but it still doesn't stop a person from getting into a school and shooting. It's a reactionary response.
IMO preventing people from walking into a school with guns should be the first step

It's still nominally a much faster response possibility than calling the police and everybody hiding or standing around getting shot by some tard, though. Nothing is going to be 150% effective, but you can't eliminate one defense method because of that; no reason not have to have several options.

 

[Picaro]

A lot of teachers would be more comfortable with tasers and mace filled paintball guns than they would with an actual firearm.

Most teachers don't want any part of either one, and wouldn't be suited for it anyway.

However, a taser or paintball gun with mace would be a lot less lethal, and accidents wouldn't result in the death of a child.

How many children have been shot by teachers?

Obviously not enough have been.

Funny,! Do you do stand-up at funerals?

You disagree? So you don't mind several more kids getting killed while everybody waits around for 'the appropriate govt. authorities to show up n stuff' like good little boys n girls, when the option of an armed teacher is available ... Okay.

 

[Picaro]

A lot of teachers would be more comfortable with tasers and mace filled paintball guns than they would with an actual firearm.

Most teachers don't want any part of either one, and wouldn't be suited for it anyway.

However, a taser or paintball gun with mace would be a lot less lethal, and accidents wouldn't result in the death of a child.

How many children have been shot by teachers?

Obviously not enough have been.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

The CDZ is not the place for English as a second language lessons for Japanese. Try soliciting a tutor in one of the social forums, like the General Forum.

 

[Flash]

My wife is a retired teacher.

She understand gun safety and knows how to use a firearm. She is a damn good shot.

I would trust her more to protect her students more than I would trust a Broward Sheriff Deputy.

Also, with her being a teacher we have many teacher friends. There are many of them that would do a great job protecting their classrooms with firearms should the need be.

For a teacher the protection is life or death for her/him and the students.

As we saw at Parkland it is only a job for law enforcement officers.

 

[Flash]

Teachers are people too remember that. People that get mad, get sad, have bad days, etc. Scenario If a teacher is at risk of being fired for any reason and wants to lash out with violence, that puts the students at risk too. Just imagine an unstable man teaching a class. No one knows he's unstable and unhappy until he puts a gun to his head and murders himself in front of the entire class. People wait for things like this to happen in order to deem it a mistake.

LOL!

Teachers have to learn to be tolerant.

An intolerant teacher wouldn't last more than one school year.

 

[Flash]

After living with a teacher for 46 years I can say with confidence that a teacher with access to a firearm is much more likely to shoot a parent that she is to shoot a student.

 

[Picaro]

Teachers are people too remember that. People that get mad, get sad, have bad days, etc. Scenario If a teacher is at risk of being fired for any reason and wants to lash out with violence, that puts the students at risk too. Just imagine an unstable man teaching a class. No one knows he's unstable and unhappy until he puts a gun to his head and murders himself in front of the entire class. People wait for things like this to happen in order to deem it a mistake.

LOL!

Teachers have to learn to be tolerant.

An intolerant teacher wouldn't last more than one school year.

Intolerant teachers are protected more than others are; it's just a matter of being PC, the 'right' color, having the proper sexual fetishes, and willing to help promote pedophilia and aiding the kiddies in grooming them for being molested, is all.

 

[Picaro]

After living with a teacher for 46 years I can say with confidence that a teacher with access to a firearm is much more likely to shoot a parent that she is to shoot a student.

Not necessarily a bad thing in all cases. A lot of parents are violent and bullies.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Build an electronic device into guns that can be deactivated by any police department, with detectors at all entrances of schools, malls, etc that automatically deactivate the weapon. You try to disable the electronics you lose the gun and the ability to buy one for 2 years.

We have the technology, we can make guns better...better, stronger, faster. For a lot less than Six Million Dollars.

Dude.....................great idea but never gonna happen. Remember the "smart" guns that someone invented? The NRA is staunchly against it, because they are afraid that then all guns will be required to be "smart".

 

[ABikerSailor]

Teachers are people too remember that. People that get mad, get sad, have bad days, etc. Scenario If a teacher is at risk of being fired for any reason and wants to lash out with violence, that puts the students at risk too. Just imagine an unstable man teaching a class. No one knows he's unstable and unhappy until he puts a gun to his head and murders himself in front of the entire class. People wait for things like this to happen in order to deem it a mistake.

So, how many times has that happened?

You are grasping at straws because you simply have no valid argument.

Try again. That was a total bust!

Actually, there has been an incident where a teacher committed suicide in school with a gun. Granted, no kids saw him kill himself, but he still killed himself at school with a gun.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...s-himself-in-classroom-at-georgia-high-school

 

[2aguy]

You know, I've done quite a bit of thinking about this, and have spent a great deal of talking with my roomie, and here's the solution we came up with.

Arm ALL teachers with either police grade tasers capable of shooting accurately up to 35 ft, as well as can fire up to 4 darts before needing to be reloaded, or, with an interesting little paintball gun that I saw on a documentary a few weeks back. The paintball gun is CO2 powered, and the paintballs are filled with mace. They also can fire up to 100 ft. accurately.

Why do I suggest these measures instead of a gun? Because I don't know if the teachers are going to be able to handle the responsibility. There have been many stories over the past few years where teachers have accidentally shot themselves in school with their guns.

And, there is the fact that most of these school shooters are counting on being killed. If a teacher has a gun, then the shooter has probably a 90 percent chance of being killed and not able to stand trial. If they are taken down with mace balls and tasers? They won't be killed, and can also be held to account for their actions.

Would also be a lot safer for all involved. I mean, which school are you going to attack, one where maybe 2 or 3 teachers might be armed, but you might still have a good chance to kill a bunch of people before they get to that area of the school, or a school where EVERY teacher is armed with a taser or mace gun?

Because I don't know if the teachers are going to be able to handle the responsibility.


Except teachers in about 14 states are already carrying guns......

 

[2aguy]

Build an electronic device into guns that can be deactivated by any police department, with detectors at all entrances of schools, malls, etc that automatically deactivate the weapon. You try to disable the electronics you lose the gun and the ability to buy one for 2 years.

We have the technology, we can make guns better...better, stronger, faster. For a lot less than Six Million Dollars.

Dude.....................great idea but never gonna happen. Remember the "smart" guns that someone invented? The NRA is staunchly against it, because they are afraid that then all guns will be required to be "smart".

because they are afraid that then all guns will be required to be "smart"

Why does the NRA and other gun Rights groups believe this? Because it is actually the law in New Jersey.....once a functioning smart gun is created, then all guns in New Jersey will either have to be converted or exchanged...

A New Jersey Law That's Kept Smart Guns Off Shelves Nationwide

Basically, the Childproof Handgun Law of 2002 says that once "personalized handguns are available" anywhere in the country, all handguns sold in New Jersey must be smart guns within 30 months.

 

[2aguy]

you trust them with your kid's MINDS, which makes ALL teachers FAR more dangerous to you and the future than the occasional nutjob might be with a gun.

Just saw a News story about a Black guy who was the Dean at a High School who shot a student who was working for him selling Pot to the other kids in the School he was Dean. There is one reason.

That guy had the gun illegally on school grounds....so which law prevented him from bringing that gun into school and using it to engage in criminal activity?

It is the law abiding teachers who would be trained by the police who can't carry guns in schools right now, crimnals do it already...as your post shows.

 

[2aguy]

Children are far more likely to be shot by a gun in their home than by a school shooter.

Go upstream. Fortified schools are unnecessary if the issues that enable shooters are addressed.

No....children living in the homes of criminals are more likely to be shot by the gun in the home.....children in normal homes where they own guns aren't in danger.....

 

[2aguy]

A lot of teachers would be more comfortable with tasers and mace filled paintball guns than they would with an actual firearm.

No teacher who isn't comfortable with firearms should be forced to carry.

And none of the plans would force teachers to carry guns, they are all on a volunteer basis...

 

[2aguy]

To ignore that as a possibility Mr Admiral is reckless. New things happen every day. You of all people know bullets have no name on them. If a teacher is trying to defend her students from an active shooter and accidentally shoots a staff member, child or even themselves... who is at fault? Why can't the police force be used to protect our community including our schools. It sounds like someone wants to be cheap and its dangerous.

Nothing is stopping that from happening right now. Right now a teacher can bring a gun into school and kill themselves and no gun law is going to stop it. The only people who are kept from bringing legal guns into schools are law abiding gun owners who aren't shooting anyone and who might actually work as a deterrent against actual shooters...since we know mass public shooters target gun free zones.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Most teachers don't want any part of either one, and wouldn't be suited for it anyway.

However, a taser or paintball gun with mace would be a lot less lethal, and accidents wouldn't result in the death of a child.

How many children have been shot by teachers?

Obviously not enough have been.

Funny,! Do you do stand-up at funerals?

You disagree? So you don't mind several more kids getting killed while everybody waits around for 'the appropriate govt. authorities to show up n stuff' like good little boys n girls, when the option of an armed teacher is available ... Okay.

No. You comment was a poor attempt at humor or you need psychiatric help. Saying not enough kids have been killed is simply wrong, and just crazy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Children are far more likely to be shot by a gun in their home than by a school shooter.

Go upstream. Fortified schools are unnecessary if the issues that enable shooters are addressed.

No....children living in the homes of criminals are more likely to be shot by the gun in the home.....children in normal homes where they own guns aren't in danger.....

That's just a stupid thing to say. Crawl back into your hole until someone gets shot in Brittain.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Teachers are people too remember that. People that get mad, get sad, have bad days, etc. Scenario If a teacher is at risk of being fired for any reason and wants to lash out with violence, that puts the students at risk too. Just imagine an unstable man teaching a class. No one knows he's unstable and unhappy until he puts a gun to his head and murders himself in front of the entire class. People wait for things like this to happen in order to deem it a mistake.

So, how many times has that happened?

You are grasping at straws because you simply have no valid argument.

Try again. That was a total bust!

Actually, there has been an incident where a teacher committed suicide in school with a gun. Granted, no kids saw him kill himself, but he still killed himself at school with a gun.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...s-himself-in-classroom-at-georgia-high-school

So why did you waste our time with a non-example?