Why I'm voting Democrat Part 2: Romney's insult to cops/firemen

[Pho_King]

The only reason anyone votes for the dems is because they know the dems will work tirelessly to massively expand government, which means more of a chance for those voters to get some obamabucks. That's it.

 

[Full-Auto]

Wow.

This is hilarious. When a left winger decides voting GOP is better for him, he is cheered and congratulated and is said to simply have figured things out, or matured, etc. Never "he was always a closet rich Republican".

All I've done is take a few months (notice I haven't posted in a long while) and analyze my views with that of the current politicians in my city, county, state and nation.

And right now, my views are more represented by Democrats than Republicans.

Thats the foundation of non-partisan independence. Or as some call it, FREEDOM.

Thats all I did. And I'll do it again in 2014 and 2016.

No, you're being a pussy. You've bought into the Socialist/Progressive propaganda. You're only proving how weak-minded and cowardly you are. But hey, good riddance. Now you're where you belong. One more phony pussy gone. It's a good thing. Thanks.

I did? Because I still despise Van Jones. And I still think we need to cut a shitload of government waste. And I still believe in the 2nd amendment. And God in schools. And pickup trucks. And I dont wanna live in Europe.

I just want Tea Party mayors and governors to stop fucking with cops and firemen. And Romney's knock on cops/firemen doesn't help.

They lost my vote.

That is handled at the local level.........A three term sheriff of our county addressed the whiny little bitches fearing shadows.................He asked one question................

HOW MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN YOU AFFORD?

 

[Liability]

I did? Because I still despise Van Jones. And I still think we need to cut a shitload of government waste. And I still believe in the 2nd amendment. And God in schools. And pickup trucks. And I dont wanna live in Europe.

I just want Tea Party mayors and governors to stop fucking with cops and firemen. And Romney's knock on cops/firemen doesn't help.

They lost my vote.

Nah, you sold out. And that's very sad. But i do understand. The Socialist/Progressive Media propaganda is very powerful. You finally gave into it. But hey, if it makes you happy, so be it i guess.

Haha, so you think watching MSNBC all of a sudden made me wanna vote Democrat? Ok, sure.

I don't accept that it was all of a sudden.

And work on your avie, too. Helpful hint.

 

[bucs90]

The Real Message Behind Mitt Romney’s Anti-Police And Firefighters ‘Gaffe’ | Mediaite

All the right wingers of the political world who are in power (mayors, govs, councils) seem to share the same idea: It's open season on cops and firemen. Lump them into the evil "government worker" label, and start slashing away.

This story didn't get reported much at all. Why? Well, maybe because I used to watch mostly FoxNews, and they just didn't spend a lot of time on it. I'm sure CNN, NBC, etc, didn't either.

And the above article sums it up so well. Romney and the right wing TP need votes from the right wing and independents. Which are mostly middle and upper class, many live in suburbs, and many are white. Which is fine. But the article explains, perfectly, that THOSE voting groups aren't as dependent on cops and firemen as, say, those in inner city ghettos. It says in those places, reductions in cops wont cause "someone to die" as a result. Thus, the voters accept it and dont really care. Again....just government workers, which are BAD.

Which is why I personally think "they" dont get it. Many on the right and in the TP live in the suburbs or in safe rural areas. They see a cop here and there. Probably live in fairly safe areas, with the biggest problems being speeding, DUI, some minor thefts. To them, "more cops" not only makes no sense, but they see TOO MANY cops. (Note: Often the case in cities the cops have helped make safe, the locals feel they are no longer necessary). Same with firemen. No one needs a fireman until their house is on fire.

What they dont realize is most FD's also have certified paramedics on the truck. And respond to ALL medical calls. So a person having a minor medical problem has a paramedic show up. If he/she can treat it there, guess what? It's free. You dont pay for an ambulance ride. You dont pay for an ER visit. Which means healthcare costs never happen. Good for everyone involved.

Unless you're the rich TP'er who sees the fire truck stopped at Subway for lunch and think "what a waste of my tax dollars to have so many fire trucks".

Yet, the police and firefighters are generally shot at in urban area! Go figure, it's the rural areas that don't like cops. Okay.

Now if you think that if you call for emergency help you won't get a bill, you merely need to be educated. Not only will you get a bill for the service, but you will be billed separately just for making the 911 call. The cost may vary but is usually around $300.00.

Calling 911? That'll Be $300 | Techdirt

What is really happening is that public service workers like the police and firefighters are demanding more and more from people with less and less to give them. A lot of resentment is building up at supporting public service workers . Especially now when so many people are scraping by, struggling with the bills, then finding that their taxes are going up because the police want more. When will they have enough? The answer is never. If Romney is addressing this issue, he will definitely find a nerve to strike.

Thats 1 city in California. Down here, the FD doesn't charge anything. Unless you get transported by EMS, you dont pay.

News flash: EVERYONE is demanding more. The gas company. Power company. Cable company. Milk, bread, eggs, clothing. Everything is getting more expensive, including police and fire protection. THEY also pay taxes, which go up, and they pay bills and scrape by. They're human.

There is a huge difference in union vs non-union police/fire. I agree, unions have power and asking for more is unreasonable a lot of times. My gripe is non union cops, already paid modestly, taking cuts from cities that HAVE plenty of revenue but do so out of ideology. It's rampant down here lately.

 

[bucs90]

Nah, you sold out. And that's very sad. But i do understand. The Socialist/Progressive Media propaganda is very powerful. You finally gave into it. But hey, if it makes you happy, so be it i guess.

Haha, so you think watching MSNBC all of a sudden made me wanna vote Democrat? Ok, sure.

I don't accept that it was all of a sudden.

And work on your avie, too. Helpful hint.

No, it wasn't all of a sudden. It's been a slow process over the last year.

My avatar still applies. I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

 

[Katzndogz]

No, you're being a pussy. You've bought into the Socialist/Progressive propaganda. You're only proving how weak-minded and cowardly you are. But hey, good riddance. Now you're where you belong. One more phony pussy gone. It's a good thing. Thanks.

I did? Because I still despise Van Jones. And I still think we need to cut a shitload of government waste. And I still believe in the 2nd amendment. And God in schools. And pickup trucks. And I dont wanna live in Europe.

I just want Tea Party mayors and governors to stop fucking with cops and firemen. And Romney's knock on cops/firemen doesn't help.

They lost my vote.

That is handled at the local level.........A three term sheriff of our county addressed the whiny little bitches fearing shadows.................He asked one question................

HOW MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN YOU AFFORD?

The ideal question. Although not applicable every place. It's not so much how much can you afford but what are you willing to sacrifice in your own lives to get it. Are you willing to lose your house? How about kick in your kid's college fund so a cop can retire at age 45?

 

[peach174]

That money for the parks and opera auditoriums came from your Federal Congress critters. AKA Pork spending.
Not from your city and state taxes.
You local sate taxes pays for Police and Fireman.

 

[Liability]

Haha, so you think watching MSNBC all of a sudden made me wanna vote Democrat? Ok, sure.

I don't accept that it was all of a sudden.

And work on your avie, too. Helpful hint.

No, it wasn't all of a sudden. It's been a slow process over the last year.

My avatar still applies. I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

Nonsense. The process cannot have taken any time at all. For, to vote for the incumbent is to embrace as -- acceptable -- his failure of leadership and his failure to faithfully adhere to the Constitution.

There is no rational excuse to vote FOR the guy unless you were going to blindly do so all along.

A vote for the incumbent is a vote against fidelity to the founding principles of our Constitutional Republic.

 

[Some Guy]

I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

If you've got such an issue with the local government taking a toll on local firemen and cops then don't vote for them. I wouldn't vote straight opposing ticket on the federal level based on the actions of local government only though.

 

[bucs90]

I did? Because I still despise Van Jones. And I still think we need to cut a shitload of government waste. And I still believe in the 2nd amendment. And God in schools. And pickup trucks. And I dont wanna live in Europe.

I just want Tea Party mayors and governors to stop fucking with cops and firemen. And Romney's knock on cops/firemen doesn't help.

They lost my vote.

That is handled at the local level.........A three term sheriff of our county addressed the whiny little bitches fearing shadows.................He asked one question................

HOW MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN YOU AFFORD?

The ideal question. Although not applicable every place. It's not so much how much can you afford but what are you willing to sacrifice in your own lives to get it. Are you willing to lose your house? How about kick in your kid's college fund so a cop can retire at age 45?

Jesus Christ. You idiots think you're gonna be paying $40,000 each per year for PD? My home city funds PD off hosptiality taxes and building permits. So Holiday Inn and Outback Steakhouse pay for cops, NOT the rattlesnake flag wavin' Tea Partier bitching about gubermint workers. Unless he stays at a Holiday Inn Express!

 

[California Girl]

Tell us, do you believe we need more firefighters? If so, why?

Do you believe the federal government has the authority to fund local firefighters? If so, where is that authority granted?

More? No. But we need to keep the ones we have. And they deserve a decent salary and modest retirement. Union FD's have bloated it, and I accept there will be cutbacks in some of those. The non-union ones in the South, who already dont make much, shouldn't be cut or be cut as LAST resort along with PD. TP mayor are slashing like Edward Scissorhands.

Authority? I dont know. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert. But I'll take a guess. When the colonies won the Revolutionary War, they helped each other on US soil. They helped put out fires the Brits set. Their common folk in the non-regular militia fought off threats for each other, over state lines. I'd guess if George Washington was asked to send help to CHarleston to put out a massive fire, or to control violent crime waves, he would. Oh wait............HE DID.

So, yeah, I'd argue the Feds can send resources to a state for the protection of it's people if needed.

The federal government has jack shit to do with police and firefighters. And, Romney hasn't disrespected them... unless of course, you're getting your "facts" from the left wing media... who have consistently lied about what Romney says.

You're either:

a. lying your ass of for the craic of it

or

b. totally lost your fucking mind.

I don't really care which... as long as you don't repeat bullshit.

 

[eflatminor]

Tell us, do you believe we need more firefighters? If so, why?

Do you believe the federal government has the authority to fund local firefighters? If so, where is that authority granted?

More? No. But we need to keep the ones we have.

Not surprisingly, your position makes no logical sense. The rate of fires has been decreasing dramatically over the years, as has the rate of injury due to fire. There are fewer fires and fewer dangers from fires, but you want to keep the number of firefighters locked. If you owned a firefighting business, is that how you would run it?

And they deserve a decent salary and modest retirement.

No one "deserves" a salary, one EARNS a salary. What Marxist bullshit are you spreading here?

Authority? I dont know. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert.

Clearly.

But I'll take a guess. When the colonies won the Revolutionary War, they helped each other on US soil. They helped put out fires the Brits set. Their common folk in the non-regular militia fought off threats for each other, over state lines. I'd guess if George Washington was asked to send help to CHarleston to put out a massive fire, or to control violent crime waves, he would. Oh wait............HE DID.

So, yeah, I'd argue the Feds can send resources to a state for the protection of it's people if needed.

A wild ass guess. Those militia were STATE militia. States are free to send their citizen's money to other states for the purposes of hiring firefighters...even if they're not needed. The federal government has NO such authority...unless I missed that in the enumerated powers.

 

[Full-Auto]

I did? Because I still despise Van Jones. And I still think we need to cut a shitload of government waste. And I still believe in the 2nd amendment. And God in schools. And pickup trucks. And I dont wanna live in Europe.

I just want Tea Party mayors and governors to stop fucking with cops and firemen. And Romney's knock on cops/firemen doesn't help.

They lost my vote.

That is handled at the local level.........A three term sheriff of our county addressed the whiny little bitches fearing shadows.................He asked one question................

HOW MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT CAN YOU AFFORD?

The ideal question. Although not applicable every place. It's not so much how much can you afford but what are you willing to sacrifice in your own lives to get it. Are you willing to lose your house? How about kick in your kid's college fund so a cop can retire at age 45?

 

[bucs90]

I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

If you've got such an issue with the local government taking a toll on local firemen and cops then don't vote for them. I wouldn't vote straight opposing ticket on the federal level based on the actions of local government only though.

I thought that through.

Obviously, locally I'm voting Dem because all our incumbents are GOP.

State? Tea Party Gov Nikki Haley has slashed PD/FD/Teacher funding, not out of necessity (her budget was balanced BEFORE cutting) but, as she said, just "to send a message" from the taxpayers to the cops, firemen, teachers. Senator Graham didn't do much to change my mind either.

Federally, it's fairly simple. Romney has the most recent anti-cop jab: The Real Message Behind Mitt Romney’s Anti-Police And Firefighters ‘Gaffe’ | Mediaite

Is Obama a pro-cop guy? No. But he's the "less evil" of the two I suppose.

My stance on legalizing weed, legalizing gay marriage, and animal rights pushed me over the center line to vote Dem across the board.

 

[bucs90]

Tell us, do you believe we need more firefighters? If so, why?

Do you believe the federal government has the authority to fund local firefighters? If so, where is that authority granted?

More? No. But we need to keep the ones we have. And they deserve a decent salary and modest retirement. Union FD's have bloated it, and I accept there will be cutbacks in some of those. The non-union ones in the South, who already dont make much, shouldn't be cut or be cut as LAST resort along with PD. TP mayor are slashing like Edward Scissorhands.

Authority? I dont know. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert. But I'll take a guess. When the colonies won the Revolutionary War, they helped each other on US soil. They helped put out fires the Brits set. Their common folk in the non-regular militia fought off threats for each other, over state lines. I'd guess if George Washington was asked to send help to CHarleston to put out a massive fire, or to control violent crime waves, he would. Oh wait............HE DID.

So, yeah, I'd argue the Feds can send resources to a state for the protection of it's people if needed.

The federal government has jack shit to do with police and firefighters. And, Romney hasn't disrespected them... unless of course, you're getting your "facts" from the left wing media... who have consistently lied about what Romney says.

You're either:

a. lying your ass of for the craic of it

or

b. totally lost your fucking mind.

I don't really care which... as long as you don't repeat bullshit.

If you think the Feds dont have "jack shit" to do with police and fire, then you've obviously never worked as either. Local PD/FD get a LOT of funding, training, aid from the state and federal levels. From 2009-2011 lots of PD's kept cops employed through stimulus money. Tea Partiers call that a handout: The kids of those cops and firemen call it keeping food on the table.

 

[Some Guy]

I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

If you've got such an issue with the local government taking a toll on local firemen and cops then don't vote for them. I wouldn't vote straight opposing ticket on the federal level based on the actions of local government only though.

I thought that through.

Obviously, locally I'm voting Dem because all our incumbents are GOP.

State? Tea Party Gov Nikki Haley has slashed PD/FD/Teacher funding, not out of necessity (her budget was balanced BEFORE cutting) but, as she said, just "to send a message" from the taxpayers to the cops, firemen, teachers. Senator Graham didn't do much to change my mind either.

Federally, it's fairly simple. Romney has the most recent anti-cop jab: The Real Message Behind Mitt Romney’s Anti-Police And Firefighters ‘Gaffe’ | Mediaite

Is Obama a pro-cop guy? No. But he's the "less evil" of the two I suppose.

My stance on legalizing weed, legalizing gay marriage, and animal rights pushed me over the center line to vote Dem across the board.

Good for you.

 

[Katzndogz]

I may vote Democrat this year, even for Obama. But I still think he needs to stop blaming Bush. Thats not leadership.

If you've got such an issue with the local government taking a toll on local firemen and cops then don't vote for them. I wouldn't vote straight opposing ticket on the federal level based on the actions of local government only though.

I thought that through.

Obviously, locally I'm voting Dem because all our incumbents are GOP.

State? Tea Party Gov Nikki Haley has slashed PD/FD/Teacher funding, not out of necessity (her budget was balanced BEFORE cutting) but, as she said, just "to send a message" from the taxpayers to the cops, firemen, teachers. Senator Graham didn't do much to change my mind either.

Federally, it's fairly simple. Romney has the most recent anti-cop jab: The Real Message Behind Mitt Romney’s Anti-Police And Firefighters ‘Gaffe’ | Mediaite

Is Obama a pro-cop guy? No. But he's the "less evil" of the two I suppose.

My stance on legalizing weed, legalizing gay marriage, and animal rights pushed me over the center line to vote Dem across the board.

Obviously, if you are going to vote for cognitive impairment and perversion, you have no place else to do but democrats.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

LOL!

The poseur is back?

Ask Jake Starkey to help you pick a new avi and again, thanks for validating my "Progs are Compulsive Liars" thesis

 

[bucs90]

Tell us, do you believe we need more firefighters? If so, why?

Do you believe the federal government has the authority to fund local firefighters? If so, where is that authority granted?

More? No. But we need to keep the ones we have.

Not surprisingly, your position makes no logical sense. The rate of fires has been decreasing dramatically over the years, as has the rate of injury due to fire. There are fewer fires and fewer dangers from fires, but you want to keep the number of firefighters locked. If you owned a firefighting business, is that how you would run it?



No one "deserves" a salary, one EARNS a salary. What Marxist bullshit are you spreading here?

Authority? I dont know. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert.

Clearly.

But I'll take a guess. When the colonies won the Revolutionary War, they helped each other on US soil. They helped put out fires the Brits set. Their common folk in the non-regular militia fought off threats for each other, over state lines. I'd guess if George Washington was asked to send help to CHarleston to put out a massive fire, or to control violent crime waves, he would. Oh wait............HE DID.

So, yeah, I'd argue the Feds can send resources to a state for the protection of it's people if needed.

A wild ass guess. Those militia were STATE militia. States are free to send their citizen's money to other states for the purposes of hiring firefighters...even if they're not needed. The federal government has NO such authority...unless I missed that in the enumerated powers.

1) Why do you think the level of fires has dropped? (Hint: Good firemen) Should we change that now and risk it going back?

2) So you're saying George Washington would have opposed sending federal aid to Charleston, SC, to control massive fires or violent crime? (Because he did just that).

**So risking one's life to defend strangers in his city isn't "deserving" of a decent salary? I suppose you'd argue that cops should only get paid when a crime is occurring then right? Otherwise, what are they doing to "earn" their salary?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

More? No. But we need to keep the ones we have. And they deserve a decent salary and modest retirement. Union FD's have bloated it, and I accept there will be cutbacks in some of those. The non-union ones in the South, who already dont make much, shouldn't be cut or be cut as LAST resort along with PD. TP mayor are slashing like Edward Scissorhands.

Authority? I dont know. I'm not a Constitutional Law expert. But I'll take a guess. When the colonies won the Revolutionary War, they helped each other on US soil. They helped put out fires the Brits set. Their common folk in the non-regular militia fought off threats for each other, over state lines. I'd guess if George Washington was asked to send help to CHarleston to put out a massive fire, or to control violent crime waves, he would. Oh wait............HE DID.

So, yeah, I'd argue the Feds can send resources to a state for the protection of it's people if needed.

The federal government has jack shit to do with police and firefighters. And, Romney hasn't disrespected them... unless of course, you're getting your "facts" from the left wing media... who have consistently lied about what Romney says.

You're either:

a. lying your ass of for the craic of it

or

b. totally lost your fucking mind.

I don't really care which... as long as you don't repeat bullshit.

If you think the Feds dont have "jack shit" to do with police and fire, then you've obviously never worked as either. Local PD/FD get a LOT of funding, training, aid from the state and federal levels. From 2009-2011 lots of PD's kept cops employed through stimulus money. Tea Partiers call that a handout: The kids of those cops and firemen call it keeping food on the table.

Translation: Lies, lies lies and more lies