Why I can no longer call myself an Evangelical Republican

[Avatar4321]

So you aren't an evangelical republican because due process offends you?

 

[Freewill]

"There are times in life when the institutional ground underneath you begins to crumble — and with it, longstanding attachments. Such is the case for me when it comes to the Republican Party and evangelicalism.

I’ve been a part of both for my entire adult life. These days, though, in many important ways they are having harmful effects on our society.

The latest example is in Alabama, where Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate, stands accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by nine women, including one who was 14 years old at the time. Mr. Moore leads in most polls, and solidly among most evangelicals, heading into Tuesday’s election.

Yet the support being given by many Republicans and white evangelicals to President Trump and now to Mr. Moore have caused me to rethink my identification with both groups. Not because my attachment to conservatism and Christianity has weakened, but rather the opposite. I consider Mr. Trump’s Republican Party to be a threat to conservatism, and I have concluded that the term evangelical — despite its rich history of proclaiming the “good news” of Christ to a broken world — has been so distorted that it is now undermining the Christian witness.

Assume you were a person of the left and an atheist, and you decided to create a couple of people in a laboratory to discredit the Republican Party and white evangelical Christianity. You could hardly choose two more perfect men than Donald Trump and Roy Moore."
excellent article more at this link.
Opinion | Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican

How could 81% of Evangelicals cast a vote for a man with no honor, no respect, no dignity, no decency and the only loyality he has ever shown to anyone was to himself and Vladimir Putin? How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

All over this country there were white male pastors that were singing Trump's praises during the campaign season. Including Mike Huckabee, Billy Graham Jr. & several others. Where did Evangelicals lose their way? Another good article. How the bible belt lost God and found Trump.
How the Bible Belt lost God and found Trump

By doing this, do they have any idea how many they have chased away from the teachings of Jesus Christ? How many refuse to go church today, because they so heavily supported Donald Trump. They instead, have made a mockery of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yet today, there are Evangelicals in Alabama that refer to themselves as Christians supporting Roy Moore.

As the above article (How they lost GOD and found Trump) explains -most of their political interest is centered around abortion. Which is a 46 year old U.S. Supreme Court already settled issue. One that Neil Gorsuch, Trump's nominee, stated during confirmation hearings: That Roe v Wade is precedent in the Constitution, meaning set in stone.
Gorsuch to Feinstein: Abortion ruling is 'precedent'



So are they really Christians? I don't think so. I think they're red hat Jesus followers more than anything.

I went to a "concert" before the election. It was really a sermon by a, not to be named, evangelical pastor. The pastor gave a lecture on the upcoming election. As I recall his words, because they were exactly how I feel, is that all the garbage being thrown on Trump, rightly or wrongly, the SCOTUS and keeping Hillary Clinton out of the WH was way too important to sit one out. How could a Christian vote for someone like Hillary Clinton? Consider what her husband and she did to those poor children at Waco. Consider her stand on abortion. Consider her husband was a proven liar. The worse kind of liar. At least with Trump it is obvious that what he is saying isn't exactly fact and he doesn't seem to care. But billy boy, he cared. He wanted to wag his finger in our collective faces and lie his ass off and we were to believe him.

So that said, the SCOTUS should be sufficient for anyone not to vote for Hillary.
The murder of the unborn is just as important of reasons not to vote for Hillary.

As for you calling yourself an evangelical Christian or not, that is up to you. If you are trying to convince us that your decisions are based on what OTHERS say or do I suspect you are doing what you accuse Trump of doing.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

"There are times in life when the institutional ground underneath you begins to crumble — and with it, longstanding attachments. Such is the case for me when it comes to the Republican Party and evangelicalism.

I’ve been a part of both for my entire adult life. These days, though, in many important ways they are having harmful effects on our society.

The latest example is in Alabama, where Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate, stands accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by nine women, including one who was 14 years old at the time. Mr. Moore leads in most polls, and solidly among most evangelicals, heading into Tuesday’s election.

Yet the support being given by many Republicans and white evangelicals to President Trump and now to Mr. Moore have caused me to rethink my identification with both groups. Not because my attachment to conservatism and Christianity has weakened, but rather the opposite. I consider Mr. Trump’s Republican Party to be a threat to conservatism, and I have concluded that the term evangelical — despite its rich history of proclaiming the “good news” of Christ to a broken world — has been so distorted that it is now undermining the Christian witness.

Assume you were a person of the left and an atheist, and you decided to create a couple of people in a laboratory to discredit the Republican Party and white evangelical Christianity. You could hardly choose two more perfect men than Donald Trump and Roy Moore."
excellent article more at this link.
Opinion | Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican

How could 81% of Evangelicals cast a vote for a man with no honor, no respect, no dignity, no decency and the only loyality he has ever shown to anyone was to himself and Vladimir Putin? How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

All over this country there were white male pastors that were singing Trump's praises during the campaign season. Including Mike Huckabee, Billy Graham Jr. & several others. Where did Evangelicals lose their way? Another good article. How the bible belt lost God and found Trump.
How the Bible Belt lost God and found Trump

By doing this, do they have any idea how many they have chased away from the teachings of Jesus Christ? How many refuse to go church today, because they so heavily supported Donald Trump. They instead, have made a mockery of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yet today, there are Evangelicals in Alabama that refer to themselves as Christians supporting Roy Moore.

As the above article (How they lost GOD and found Trump) explains -most of their political interest is centered around abortion. Which is a 46 year old U.S. Supreme Court already settled issue. One that Neil Gorsuch, Trump's nominee, stated during confirmation hearings: That Roe v Wade is precedent in the Constitution, meaning set in stone.
Gorsuch to Feinstein: Abortion ruling is 'precedent'



So are they really Christians? I don't think so. I think they're red hat Jesus followers more than anything.

Which teaching of Christ was the one you convict people and destroy them over hearsay and unproven allegations again? It’s been a while since I heard that sermon.

As the video states- "how many women need to come forward before you believe them." Men don't attack women in front of witness's.

The FATE of the entire Republican party lies in the hands of Alabamians today. If they elect Roy Moore today, they will have given Democrats a very explosive weapon to be used in the midterm election cycle. Add Trump to that ticket and it's weapon's of mass destruction.

These 4 girls become the poster girls of the Democrat party.

Furthermore, these girls, now women did come come forward, they were FOUND by the Washington Post. Indicating that there were formal complaints filed against Roy Moore, possibly decades ago, that were probably ignored because of his status as an Assistant District attorney.

Too add--that the Republican Governor in that state, stated she BELIEVED these women, but she was still going to vote for Roy Moore, indicating that she has seen something that makes her believe them.

So at your peril vote for Roy Moore. This deck has not been played out yet.

Wait a minute. Did the Post find the complaints? If so it's the first anyone, including yourself, have ever heard of that. If you have the reports then you don't need to use the words possibly or probably.

And you still didn't answer my question. Where did Jesus say to hang a person out to dry based on no evidence?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So you aren't an evangelical republican because due process offends you?

I guess on the eighth day God said, there shall be no due process.

 

[monkrules]

BINGO! No person gets to decide. God (religion) is the basis or morality! That is why every big government and socialist movement, the first thing they attack are the churches and religion, because that takes away a higher authority than them. And if you tell me that religion is just made up by men, then I'll know you to both be a fool and an atheist.

No one has ever been able to prove the existence of god. So it takes a ton of arrogance to condemn others based only on what you believe. After all, you would never allow yourself to be judged based on the beliefs of another, so why should others feel any different?

(I'm not asking a question to begin a debate about religion. I have no interest in most religions. And I don't want to derail this worthwhile thread).

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

And Jesus was called a bastard -- that meant something in His day. You're a fool, lacking wisdom.

 

[oreo]

How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

And Jesus was called a bastard -- that meant something in His day. You're a fool, lacking wisdom.

And you're now comparing Jesus to a child molestor---

 

[ptbw forever]

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My theory is the political evangelicals think God will forgive them because Moore will advance "Dominion Theology", which is part the evangelical belief. In other words, the ends justify the means.

Agreed, I grew up acting like a Christian. Being fair and decent with others is a Christian character trait. You know "do onto others as you would have them do onto you." Very basic. Somewhere along this line--Republican Evangelicals lost their Christian sole. They no longer can see the big picture of what it is to call yourself a Christian, nor what it means.

It doesn't mean you can quote scripture in the bible---it's what is in your sole that counts, and your character and how you behave is a reflection of that Christian sole.

Donald Trump & Roy Moore have never represented an ounce of it, in their behavior, their tweets, and what they say.

Nobody has a “sole”, idiot.

you have two .. one on each foot ... ya idget.

Context matters, moron.

Oreo seems to think “soul” and “sole” are the same thing because he is the one who is part of the “uneducated” he seems to think voted for Trump.

 

[ptbw forever]

How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

And Jesus was called a bastard -- that meant something in His day. You're a fool, lacking wisdom.

And you're now comparing Jesus to a child molestor---

Muhammad was literally a child molester regardless.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

And you're now comparing Jesus to a child molestor---

No, dumbass. I SAID, Jesus was FALSELY ACCUSED.

Roy Moore was ACCUSED.

NOT CONVICTED.

The OP just chose a guy who supports the murder of INNOCENT UNBORN CHILDREN over 40 year old accusations.

 

[koshergrl]

Terrific post, oreo.

I’m an Independent and I support ideas from both the liberal and conservative sides. No one has a monopoly on good ideas, and neither party has a lock on what it takes to be a “good” and honorable person. The hyper-partisanship we see all around us has grown and worsened, I believe, because so many Americans have been manipulated by the super-rich whose only real loyalty is to their fucking bank accounts.

Evangelicals have surprised me. I used to think they had a genuine moral foundation and principles on which they based their actions. Seeing them in full support of trump and the other deviant, Moore, has changed that. I now believe most of them are total hypocrites, not worth listening to, or taking seriously.

I hope some sanity will eventually return to our politics and that the poisonous rhetoric will be dialed down. We’re all Americans, and we should begin acting like it. Neither party has all the answers, and compromise is NOT a dirty word. Most importantly, there are many good people on both sides, and it’s foolish and ignorant to believe otherwise.

Another liar.

 

[g5000]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

 

[koshergrl]

"There are times in life when the institutional ground underneath you begins to crumble — and with it, longstanding attachments. Such is the case for me when it comes to the Republican Party and evangelicalism.

I’ve been a part of both for my entire adult life. These days, though, in many important ways they are having harmful effects on our society.

The latest example is in Alabama, where Roy Moore, the Republican Senate candidate, stands accused of varying degrees of sexual misconduct by nine women, including one who was 14 years old at the time. Mr. Moore leads in most polls, and solidly among most evangelicals, heading into Tuesday’s election.

Yet the support being given by many Republicans and white evangelicals to President Trump and now to Mr. Moore have caused me to rethink my identification with both groups. Not because my attachment to conservatism and Christianity has weakened, but rather the opposite. I consider Mr. Trump’s Republican Party to be a threat to conservatism, and I have concluded that the term evangelical — despite its rich history of proclaiming the “good news” of Christ to a broken world — has been so distorted that it is now undermining the Christian witness.

Assume you were a person of the left and an atheist, and you decided to create a couple of people in a laboratory to discredit the Republican Party and white evangelical Christianity. You could hardly choose two more perfect men than Donald Trump and Roy Moore."
excellent article more at this link.
Opinion | Why I Can No Longer Call Myself an Evangelical Republican

How could 81% of Evangelicals cast a vote for a man with no honor, no respect, no dignity, no decency and the only loyality he has ever shown to anyone was to himself and Vladimir Putin? How do Evangelicals stand up in support of a man that has been accused repeatedly of being a child molestor?

All over this country there were white male pastors that were singing Trump's praises during the campaign season. Including Mike Huckabee, Billy Graham Jr. & several others. Where did Evangelicals lose their way? Another good article. How the bible belt lost God and found Trump.
How the Bible Belt lost God and found Trump

By doing this, do they have any idea how many they have chased away from the teachings of Jesus Christ? How many refuse to go church today, because they so heavily supported Donald Trump. They instead, have made a mockery of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Yet today, there are Evangelicals in Alabama that refer to themselves as Christians supporting Roy Moore.

As the above article (How they lost GOD and found Trump) explains -most of their political interest is centered around abortion. Which is a 46 year old U.S. Supreme Court already settled issue. One that Neil Gorsuch, Trump's nominee, stated during confirmation hearings: That Roe v Wade is precedent in the Constitution, meaning set in stone.
Gorsuch to Feinstein: Abortion ruling is 'precedent'



So are they really Christians? I don't think so. I think they're red hat Jesus followers more than anything.

You need to learn how to use quotes.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

And you supported a known RAPIST (Bill Clinton), and the MURDERER of a young woman (Ted Kennedy).

 

[koshergrl]

I've never heard of an "Evangelical Republican".

Does that mean a Republican who evangelizes Republican viewpoints?

Or does it mean an Evangelical CHRISTIAN who is also Republican?

Methinks probably neither one, because methinks the OP is a pile of bs

 

[koshergrl]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

And you supported a known RAPIST (Bill Clinton), and the MURDERER of a young woman (Ted Kennedy).

Rapists, baby killers and murderers are the left's favorite group of people.

Second favorite...pedophiles, drug addicts and gang members.

 

[g5000]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

And you supported a known RAPIST (Bill Clinton), and the MURDERER of a young woman (Ted Kennedy).

Nope. Liar.

I hated both of them.

Nice try, loser.

You should have read my other posts in this topic before making a complete ass of yourself.

 

[g5000]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

And you supported a known RAPIST (Bill Clinton), and the MURDERER of a young woman (Ted Kennedy).

Rapists, baby killers and murderers are the left's favorite group of people.

Second favorite...pedophiles, drug addicts and gang members.

Straw man fallacies are one of the favorite arguments of you tards.

That's because you have no principles left. You are dead inside.

 

[koshergrl]

I think if Francken returned on a platform of pure unbridled depravity the left would choose him as their presidential candidate...and they would bus in illegals and the mentally ill from all over the world to vote for him.

 

[koshergrl]

The President of the United States endorsed an accused child molester. That stain will always and forever be on Trump.

He just did more damage to the office of the President than any of his predecessors, including Clinton and Nixon.

A new low.

And you supported a known RAPIST (Bill Clinton), and the MURDERER of a young woman (Ted Kennedy).

Rapists, baby killers and murderers are the left's favorite group of people.

Second favorite...pedophiles, drug addicts and gang members.

Straw man fallacies are one of the favorite arguments of you tards.

That's because you have no principles left. You are dead inside.

No, it's because you people are that disgusting.
Culls.