Who Are The Palestinians?

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You're attempting to suggest that the invading Arab Powers had jurisdiction outside their sovereign territory. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

montelatici, et al,

I don't think you understand the intent of the "conquest limitation" (inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war). The true intent is spelled-out in the context that "no territorial acquisition or special advantage resulting from aggression is or shall be recognized as lawful." The intent of the limitation includes the principle that "no consideration of whatever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for aggression;" ie: you cannot justify the aggression exhibited by the Arab intrusion for any reason.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

(COMMENT)

The 1949 Armistice Lines are not based on acts of aggression on the part of Israel. On the contrary, the act of aggression was on the part of the principle Arab combatants (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt) that crossed over their boundaries and unlawfully entered the territory outside their jurisdiction for the express purpose of conducting hostile operations, and engaging Israeli Forces. The limitation is addressing the Arab Aggressors and the Israelis. Since that time, the Treaties of Peace between Israel and the Arab States of Egypt and Jordan have established some international boundaries that essentially make your map obsolete.

Your insinuation that the legal borders must be based on the original Partition Plan has been altered (over taken by events) by the treaties.

Article 3 - International Boundary The Government of the State of Israel and the Government of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

1. The international boundary between Israel and Jordan is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I(a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and co-ordinates specified therein.
2. The boundary, as set out in Annex I (a), is the permanent, secure and recognised international boundary between Israel and Jordan, without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967.​

• Article II The Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel
  
  
  The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

Most Respectfully,
R

...unlawfully entered the territory outside their jurisdiction...​

What was Israel's territory of jurisdiction?

Do you have a 1948 map of Israel?

(COMMENT)

Not only are you suggesting that the Arab State claimed jurisdiction outside thier sovereign territory, but they had the authority to enter territory under the administration of the UNPC>

WRONG.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where was the UNPC when it was to protect the people and land under its trust?

And besides, that was not my question.

 

[Linkiloo]

P F Tinmore, et al,

OK let's be honest. That is not all I said. You're cherry picking.

You will notice that I cited Article 68, which penalizes "protected persons" who attempt to do harm to the Occupying Power. You will notice that I cited four (4) major citations relative to "civilians" and "protected persons." All four must be adhered to "simultaneously." You just can't pick and choose.

According to your hero, RoccoR:

1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) [ Link ] of the Third Convention and in Article 43 [ Link ] of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.​

Who Are The Palestinians Page 357 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

(COMMENT)

It is clear that the UN Security Council Resolution 237 stipulates in a binding fashion that the requirements of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 be applied to the territories that came under occupation in 1967. It does not give any special exemption for the Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) to conduct hostile operations against the Occupation Power without facing criminal prosecution.

The HoAP which target Israeli Civilians --- does so at their own peril. The HoAP lose their "protected persons" status and become subject to Article 68 Sanctions.

PS: Terrorist, Insurgents, Jihadist and Fedayeen, conducting operations, (any Islamic Resistance Movement) are considered 4th Generation Warfare, Asymmetric combatants and not protected persons.​

Most Respectfully,
R

"OK let's be honest." Indeed.

The Palestinians are not hostile. They are defending their country.

Well that can be said of either side so it isn't helpful.

 

[Phoenall]

Which they have, but hamas refuses to comply with any UN resolution.

Like which ones?

Every single one of them that the P.A. signed up to last year.

IOW, you don't have jack shit.

Then why haven't they accepted peace talks and negotiated mutual borders with Jordan, Egypt and Israel ? That was the main one they singled out for special mention.

They already have borders with Jordan and Egypt.

Where is the border dispute with Israel?

Have they really, then you will be able to produce the treaties signed by the Palestinians putting those borders in place. Don't think that the Mandate for Palestine's border were ever the nation of palestine's borders because they weren't. And when you realise that Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 then the treaties should be very easy to find.

 

[Phoenall]

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

What in the hell are you talking about.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

(COMMENT)

While the Treaty of Lausanne (1924) had some minor impact on the Citizenship Order relative to the territory to which the Mandate Applied, (covered in the Citizenship Order of 1925), ---- it had absolutely nothing to do with the State of Palestine or any Palestinian Sovereignty prior to 1988.

You overuse this "Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel" much to often. It is poorly written and simply not applicable in some cases. For instance, the Genesis of Citizenship in Israel is simply the Declaration of Independence of Israel and the establishment of its sovereignty. The Treaty of Lausanne, written by the same community of authors as the Allied Powers, had nothing to do with it. It did not change much that was already in effect and did not put anything new in effect relative to Middle East Sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

So the Palestinians became citizens of what? A temporarily assigned administration?

You don't make any sense.

That is right they became citizens of the British mandate for Palestine as declared in the Mandate for Palestine until such time as they showed self determination and where able to stand for themselves

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like which ones?

Every single one of them that the P.A. signed up to last year.

IOW, you don't have jack shit.

Then why haven't they accepted peace talks and negotiated mutual borders with Jordan, Egypt and Israel ? That was the main one they singled out for special mention.

They already have borders with Jordan and Egypt.

Where is the border dispute with Israel?

Have they really, then you will be able to produce the treaties signed by the Palestinians putting those borders in place. Don't think that the Mandate for Palestine's border were ever the nation of palestine's borders because they weren't. And when you realise that Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 then the treaties should be very easy to find.

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration for Palestine.

It had no land or borders.

 

[Phoenall]

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Then what is this

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

What does Israel's border with Egypt have to do with Palestine ?? You're living on a different planet still


"The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line, with Egypt renouncing all claims to the Gaza Strip"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Interesting map. Where is the national capital of that so called Israel?

Nice Duck.

Israel's capital is Jerusalem, which is disputed. What's your point ?

Do you know how many times we've had this debate?? Israel has internationally recognized borders, whether you like it or not .

Then your map is inaccurate.

Dismissed.

Look at the map and you see that it shows Tel Aviv as the capital at the time, just as it shows the Palestinians capital to be ramallah

 

[Phoenall]

From the same link:

"In 1988, Palestine declared its independence without specifying its borders"

Borders of Israel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

There goes your 'Palestine has international borders' lie

From your link:

The declaration then proclaims a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem"​

Has anyone disputed that?

What is there to dispute, they an say what they like it does not make it fact. And until they negotiate mutual borders they have no land

 

[Phoenall]

Every single one of them that the P.A. signed up to last year.

IOW, you don't have jack shit.

Then why haven't they accepted peace talks and negotiated mutual borders with Jordan, Egypt and Israel ? That was the main one they singled out for special mention.

They already have borders with Jordan and Egypt.

Where is the border dispute with Israel?

Have they really, then you will be able to produce the treaties signed by the Palestinians putting those borders in place. Don't think that the Mandate for Palestine's border were ever the nation of palestine's borders because they weren't. And when you realise that Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 then the treaties should be very easy to find.

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration for Palestine.

It had no land or borders.

The LoN by treaty delineated the borders of the Mandate for Palestine and that was that. This had to be done so that everyone knew where the separate Mandates and other nations borders where. The Mandate for Palestine was a legal treaty bestowing certain obligations of the British under their mandate and also on trans Jordan. The British mandate was the temporary issigmed administration of Palestine. You confuse the two mandates

 

[Phoenall]

In my opinion the borders became fixed when the General Assembly adopted the partition resolution (181), which ratified the British proposals. (It also provided for an independent international mixed status for the city of Jerusalem.) The Resolution constitutes the only legally authorized demarkation of the Israeli-Palestine borders. It was legally authoritative not because it took the form of a UN Resolution, but solely because the UN Resolution itself served as a ratification of the British proposal to divide the Palestine and leave its governance to the people, all the people. The legal power resided in Great Britain as the trustee and not in the United Nations. As trustee, Britain had the power to partition the territory if (and only if) it was the best way to provide the future self-government by the people of Palestine, all the people of Palestine. Contrary to popular belief, the General Assembly did not derive its legal powers directly from the Charter of the UN, but rather as surrogate for the League of Nations. It was the League as a supervisory authority over the British Mandate that devolved its powers of mandate supervision to the UN and, through the UN, to the General Assembly. Legal title to the land was not conferred by Resolution 181 alone but rather by Great Britain's acceptance of the terms of Resolution 181. The State of Israel owes its entire legal existence to the exercise by Great Britain of its League of Nations' Mandatory Power over the territory of Palestine. The morality of Britains may be questioned, but Britain had that power, according to the Mandate. It owes nothing to the United Nations as a separate entity and, cannot claim any additional rights from the United Nations. As soon as 181 was passed (Great Britain abstained by the way), the legal borders between Israel and Palestine were forever fixed. Since acquisition of territory through conquest is forbidden in the Charter of the UN and International Law in general, the 181 borders could only be changed by one of two processes: first, explicit agreement between Israel and the authorized representatives of Palestine, and second, by international arbitration only in cases of disputed areas where the verbal description contained in 181 was not clear in terms of existing maps or surveys. The Security Council has never had, and has no power to change international borders.

BULLSHIT as all UN resolutions are just recommendations and have no power in law. And no nation has the right to decide what borders another nation will have.

Now unless you can produce a non partisan link to your drivel, hogwash and RACIST LIES you will retract and admit you are bullshitting. Or do you want this sort of post to be known as doing a montelatici

 

[Phoenall]

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

Who signed the treaty setting these borders for Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. A link would be useful so we can all see who signed for each nation

 

[Phoenall]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

And yet Palestine is under an obligation to negotiate mutual borders with all of its neighbours after declairing their intentions to do so last year.

 

[Phoenall]

It really does not make a wit of difference whether the Arab State rejected any offer, which is patently untrue, by the way. The Mandate required that the people of Palestine, all the people of Palestine (Christians and Muslims included) were to be made self-governing. They were, even in 1948 two thirds of the population, after all.

Nope the Mandate had already made provisions for them, and they had 3 options.

1) Stay and become full citizens of the Jewish national home

2) Leave and go elsewhere with a small sweetner

3) stay and fight with the possibility of losing it all


Guess your fellow muslims made the wrong decision all because of their pig-headedness.
Numbers were not an issue when the Mandate was formulated and it entered into international law that the land was to be the national home of the Jews. At no time were the rights of the arab muslims or Christians breached

 

[P F Tinmore]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

And yet Palestine is under an obligation to negotiate mutual borders with all of its neighbours after declairing their intentions to do so last year.

Do you have a link for that?

Palestine has no border dispute with any of its neighbors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

Who signed the treaty setting these borders for Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. A link would be useful so we can all see who signed for each nation

The borders for all of them except Israel were defined by post war treaties.

Israel was declared without borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like which ones?

Every single one of them that the P.A. signed up to last year.

IOW, you don't have jack shit.

Then why haven't they accepted peace talks and negotiated mutual borders with Jordan, Egypt and Israel ? That was the main one they singled out for special mention.

They already have borders with Jordan and Egypt.

Where is the border dispute with Israel?

Have they really, then you will be able to produce the treaties signed by the Palestinians putting those borders in place. Don't think that the Mandate for Palestine's border were ever the nation of palestine's borders because they weren't. And when you realise that Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 then the treaties should be very easy to find.

The Mandate had no land or borders. It operated inside Palestine's borders.

That is why they called it the Mandate for Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good question. Where did Israel and Egypt get the authority to negotiate Palestine's border?

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep pimping resolution 181 but always duck the questions:

Where are those proposed borders?
Where is that international city of Jerusalem?
Where are the rights of the non Jewish population?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.