Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

BTW, just to refute the "Palestinians never accepted 181" lie.

"This Palestinian Declaration of Independence explicitly accepted the UN General Assembly’s Partition Resolution 181(II) of 1947"

Palestine Independence Day 24 Years Ago November 15 1988 Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

 

[montelatici]

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

Oh now I get it. It was the Muslim & Christian Palestinians that built Solomon's Temple. Seriously, whether you like Monte of not, ya gotta love him for his great sense of humor. Heh Heh!

It certainly wasn't European Jews that built Solomon's Temple. You do provide entertainment though, keep it up. My how you leave yourself open. LOL

 

[Phoenall]

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

 

[Phoenall]

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

Oh now I get it. It was the Muslim & Christian Palestinians that built Solomon's Temple. Seriously, whether you like Monte of not, ya gotta love him for his great sense of humor. Heh Heh!

It certainly wasn't European Jews that built Solomon's Temple. You do provide entertainment though, keep it up. My how you leave yourself open. LOL

Well it certainly could not have been arab Christians or arab muslims as neither had been invented at the time.

BUT it could have been the descendants of the European Jews that built the Temple as they are genetically linked to the Temple builders.

 

[Linkiloo]

In my recent trip to Israel I met a wonderful man on a Kibbutz. He was born in Israel in 1946, his family was from Russia and he is officially born in "Palestine". Very inconveinet for the anti-semites I think. Another lovely man is an Iraqui Jew. More inconvenience. It must be really difficult seeking European colonizers to Israel and tying it all up with no loose ends.

 

[MJB12741]

In my recent trip to Israel I met a wonderful man on a Kibbutz. He was born in Israel in 1946, his family was from Russia and he is officially born in "Palestine". Very inconveinet for the anti-semites I think. Another lovely man is an Iraqui Jew. More inconvenience. It must be really difficult seeking European colonizers to Israel and tying it all up with no loose ends.

Jews were indigenous Palestinians. Not a single Muslim was except for any Jewish converts.

 

[montelatici]

In fact, most if not all Palestinians were Greek Orthodox Christians before the Arab conquest. They had to be by law. Before that they could have been Samaritans, Zoroastrians, Jews etc. The Pagan Western Romans were more liberal than the Christian Eastern Romans. But, the Palestinians are the same people, just different religions, and they did not come from Europe, for the most part.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

 

[Phoenall]

In fact, most if not all Palestinians were Greek Orthodox Christians before the Arab conquest. They had to be by law. Before that they could have been Samaritans, Zoroastrians, Jews etc. The Pagan Western Romans were more liberal than the Christian Eastern Romans. But, the Palestinians are the same people, just different religions, and they did not come from Europe, for the most part.

LIAR as the Romans had their own brand of Christianity known as Roman Catholicism. That was what became the Roman state religion. Why do you SPAM this board with your LIES do you want to be banned again. The Jews never left the M.E. and faked conversion to other religions, and the islamonazi leader who took over after Mohamed died talked about the ancient Synagogues in Jerusalem when he marched in triumphant after winning the battle. throughout history the Jews have been known as Palestinians and it was a term as a profanity up until 1960 by the arab muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

 

[montelatici]

In fact, most if not all Palestinians were Greek Orthodox Christians before the Arab conquest. They had to be by law. Before that they could have been Samaritans, Zoroastrians, Jews etc. The Pagan Western Romans were more liberal than the Christian Eastern Romans. But, the Palestinians are the same people, just different religions, and they did not come from Europe, for the most part.

LIAR as the Romans had their own brand of Christianity known as Roman Catholicism. That was what became the Roman state religion. Why do you SPAM this board with your LIES do you want to be banned again. The Jews never left the M.E. and faked conversion to other religions, and the islamonazi leader who took over after Mohamed died talked about the ancient Synagogues in Jerusalem when he marched in triumphant after winning the battle. throughout history the Jews have been known as Palestinians and it was a term as a profanity up until 1960 by the arab muslims.

"LIAR as the Romans had their own brand of Christianity known as Roman Catholicism."

No, The Romans that made Christianity the state religion were of the Eastern Roman Empire. Constantine the Great (Constantinople), was the emperor that converted to he is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. You should do some research and avoid making a fool of yourself.


"The Jews never left the M.E. and faked conversion to other religions,"

I guess if you say so, it must be true that Jews faked conversion to other religions, but as far as Palestine, they were expelled as confirmed by the Jewish Virtual Library. Is that also a lying IslamoNazi (as you call them) propaganda site?

"In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

I still don't see two mandates.

 

[montelatici]

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Where does it say that 22% of Palestine is to be given to the European Jews? Where does it say that any land is to be given to the European Jews? Establishing a 'National Home" could mean a cultural center, it certainly does not mean a sovereign state. Plus wiki reproductions are subject to Hasbara manipulation. They are not reliable. Find the source document from an academic or governmental archive and then we can discuss.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Where does it say that 22% of Palestine is to be given to the European Jews? Where does it say that any land is to be given to the European Jews? Establishing a 'National Home" could mean a cultural center, it certainly does not mean a sovereign state. Plus wiki reproductions are subject to Hasbara manipulation. They are not reliable. Find the source document from an academic or governmental archive and then we can discuss.

Indeed, the national home was interpreted by the Mandate to mean:

Jews could immigrate to Palestine.
Jews would get Palestinian citizenship.
Jews would be a part of Palestine and share a government.

A Jewish state was specifically not in the plan.

 

[Phoenall]

In fact, most if not all Palestinians were Greek Orthodox Christians before the Arab conquest. They had to be by law. Before that they could have been Samaritans, Zoroastrians, Jews etc. The Pagan Western Romans were more liberal than the Christian Eastern Romans. But, the Palestinians are the same people, just different religions, and they did not come from Europe, for the most part.

LIAR as the Romans had their own brand of Christianity known as Roman Catholicism. That was what became the Roman state religion. Why do you SPAM this board with your LIES do you want to be banned again. The Jews never left the M.E. and faked conversion to other religions, and the islamonazi leader who took over after Mohamed died talked about the ancient Synagogues in Jerusalem when he marched in triumphant after winning the battle. throughout history the Jews have been known as Palestinians and it was a term as a profanity up until 1960 by the arab muslims.

"LIAR as the Romans had their own brand of Christianity known as Roman Catholicism."

No, The Romans that made Christianity the state religion were of the Eastern Roman Empire. Constantine the Great (Constantinople), was the emperor that converted to he is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church, not the Roman Catholic Church. You should do some research and avoid making a fool of yourself.


"The Jews never left the M.E. and faked conversion to other religions,"

I guess if you say so, it must be true that Jews faked conversion to other religions, but as far as Palestine, they were expelled as confirmed by the Jewish Virtual Library. Is that also a lying IslamoNazi (as you call them) propaganda site?

"In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe."

The Diaspora Jewish Virtual Library

Source monte not publisher determines if an article is anti semitic or not. When you work that one out you will have increased your IQ by one point to 2

 

[Phoenall]

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Where does it say that 22% of Palestine is to be given to the European Jews? Where does it say that any land is to be given to the European Jews? Establishing a 'National Home" could mean a cultural center, it certainly does not mean a sovereign state. Plus wiki reproductions are subject to Hasbara manipulation. They are not reliable. Find the source document from an academic or governmental archive and then we can discuss.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE that also says that the parts between the Jordan river and borders of the Mandate for Palestine are not to be included In the Jewish national home.


I have given you the Avalon project link many times and it says just the same thing.

 

[Phoenall]

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Where does it say that 22% of Palestine is to be given to the European Jews? Where does it say that any land is to be given to the European Jews? Establishing a 'National Home" could mean a cultural center, it certainly does not mean a sovereign state. Plus wiki reproductions are subject to Hasbara manipulation. They are not reliable. Find the source document from an academic or governmental archive and then we can discuss.

Indeed, the national home was interpreted by the Mandate to mean:

Jews could immigrate to Palestine.
Jews would get Palestinian citizenship.
Jews would be a part of Palestine and share a government.

A Jewish state was specifically not in the plan.

Nor was an arab muslim state anywhere in any of the mandates then as they said the same thing about those states. The term national home means home of the nation for the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

I still don't see two mandates.

Mandate for Palestine was the LoN treaty that set up the British mandate for palestine One enables the other, but the enabled can not stand by itself, it needs the enabler to exist

 

[P F Tinmore]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_(legal_instrument)

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

Where does it say that these are two separate mandates?

In the links of course, try reading them


The British Mandate for Palestine, or simply the Mandate for Palestine, was a legal commission for the administration of the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations;

confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:

Where does it say that 22% of Palestine is to be given to the European Jews? Where does it say that any land is to be given to the European Jews? Establishing a 'National Home" could mean a cultural center, it certainly does not mean a sovereign state. Plus wiki reproductions are subject to Hasbara manipulation. They are not reliable. Find the source document from an academic or governmental archive and then we can discuss.

Indeed, the national home was interpreted by the Mandate to mean:

Jews could immigrate to Palestine.
Jews would get Palestinian citizenship.
Jews would be a part of Palestine and share a government.

A Jewish state was specifically not in the plan.

Nor was an arab muslim state anywhere in any of the mandates then as they said the same thing about those states. The term national home means home of the nation for the Jews.

By default it would be a state for those who normally lived there. Whether they were Arabs or Muslims or not was irrelevant.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The West Bank Palestinians used to be Jordanians, but Jordan renounced its claim to the West Bank and abandoned them.
Now, the land belongs to Israel; the future of the people there will be determined by their willingness to not act like savages.