Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

And yet Palestine is under an obligation to negotiate mutual borders with all of its neighbours after declairing their intentions to do so last year.

Do you have a link for that?

Palestine has no border dispute with any of its neighbors.

Yes it is in the Palestinian declaration of independence

Could that be because they have no borders yet, having never negotiated any under un res 242. ( again part of their declaration )

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep pimping resolution 181 but always duck the questions:

Where are those proposed borders?
Where is that international city of Jerusalem?
Where are the rights of the non Jewish population?

I find it hard to believe that any Pali supporter would actually want Israel to declare borders. But hey lets hope Israel pleases them by declaring borders from Syria to Egypt to the Jordan River. Bye bye Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

Every single one of them that the P.A. signed up to last year.

IOW, you don't have jack shit.

Then why haven't they accepted peace talks and negotiated mutual borders with Jordan, Egypt and Israel ? That was the main one they singled out for special mention.

They already have borders with Jordan and Egypt.

Where is the border dispute with Israel?

Have they really, then you will be able to produce the treaties signed by the Palestinians putting those borders in place. Don't think that the Mandate for Palestine's border were ever the nation of palestine's borders because they weren't. And when you realise that Palestine the nation did not exist until 1988 then the treaties should be very easy to find.

The Mandate had no land or borders. It operated inside Palestine's borders.

That is why they called it the Mandate for Palestine.

It set in stone the borders of the Mandate for Palestine, and set up the British mandate. Don't confuse the two. The Mandate for Palestine held the ownership/rule of the land of Palestine under the LoN .

Now were is this link to the treaty showing the nations signing for mutual borders, and who signed for the Palestinian muslims, Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews

 

[Phoenall]

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

Who signed the treaty setting these borders for Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. A link would be useful so we can all see who signed for each nation

The borders for all of them except Israel were defined by post war treaties.

Israel was declared without borders.

How about links detailing this and showing which Palestinian leader/representative signed for these borders.

 

[Phoenall]

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Figure that out and you will get your answer

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

You keep pimping resolution 181 but always duck the questions:

Where are those proposed borders?
Where is that international city of Jerusalem?
Where are the rights of the non Jewish population?

They are proposed so are not set until mutually agreed.

In the national home of the Jews

Very few at the time in question


Now who set the borders of Palestine if they did not own land ?

Why was Jordan allowed to steal Jerusalem ?

What rights were extended to the Jews in arab muslim occupied lands ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

And yet Palestine is under an obligation to negotiate mutual borders with all of its neighbours after declairing their intentions to do so last year.

Do you have a link for that?

Palestine has no border dispute with any of its neighbors.

Yes it is in the Palestinian declaration of independence

Could that be because they have no borders yet, having never negotiated any under un res 242. ( again part of their declaration )

Could you quote the passages?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

As immoral as the partition was, these are the borders unless taking territory by conquest can be considered legal.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Again, just because you keep saying this, does not mean it is any more sound or valid.

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south-west it is bounded by Egyptian territory, on the south-east by the Gulf of Aqaba, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.

The boundaries are as follows:--

• • 
    South-west.--From a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa, passing in a south-easterly direction to the south-west of Rafa, to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara; thence to the junction of the Gaza-Aqaba and Nekl-Aqaba roads, from whence it continues to the end of the boundary line at the point of Ras Taba on the western shore of the Gulf of Aqaba.
    
    South-east.--From Ras Taba, the Gulf of Aqaba to a point two miles west of Aqaba, thence up the centre of the Wadi Araba, the Dead Sea, and the Jordan, to the centre of the River Yarmuk to the Syrian frontier.
    
    North.--The northern boundary was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Stated briefly, the boundary runs from Ras el Naqura on the Mediterranean east-wards to Metulla and across the upper Jordan valley to Banias, thence to Jisr Banat Yaqub, thence along the Jordan to the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line.
    
    West.--The Mediterranean Sea.

The Mandate was not a place. It was a temporarily assigned administration for Palestine.

It had no land or borders.

(OBSERVATION)

PART I.

PRELIMINARY.
Title.

1. This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."​

• 
  The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The territory to which Palestine Mandate applied was NOT decided in 1922 --- thus the border you describe was not fix yet. These borders were not decided by the Arab Palestinian, or any indigenous representative. They were not national boundaries. The boundaries were not final until 1924 with the last transfer from Syria.

The Paulet–Newcombe Agreement or Paulet-Newcombe Line, also known as the Franco-British Boundary Agreements, were a sequence of agreements signed between 1920-23 between the British and French governments regarding the position and nature of the boundary between the Mandates of Palestine and Mesopotamia, attributed to Great Britain, and the Mandate of Syria and the Lebanon, attributed to France. The agreements fixed the line of the Syrian-Palestinian border (now the Syrian-Israeli border) between the Mediterranean Sea and the town of Al-Hamma. The agreement takes its name from French Lieutenant Colonel N. Paulet and British Lieutenant Colonel S. F. Newcombe, who were appointed to lead the Boundary Commission.

The boundary between the forthcoming British and French mandates was defined in broad terms in the 1920 "Franco-British Convention on Certain Points Connected with the Mandates for Syria and the Lebanon, Palestine and Mesopotamia", signed in Paris, on 23 December 1920. That agreement placed the bulk of the Golan Heights in the French sphere. The treaty also established a joint commission to settle the precise details of the border and mark it on the ground.

The commission submitted its final report on 3 February 1922, which included a number of amendments. It was approved with some caveats by the French and British governments on 7 March 1923, several months before Britain and France assumed their Mandatory responsibilities on 29 September 1923.

"The boundary between the forthcoming British and French mandates was defined in broad terms. That agreement placed the bulk of the Golan Heights in the French sphere. The treaty also established a joint commission to settle the border and mark it on the ground. The commission submitted its final report on 3 February 1922, and it was approved with some caveats by the British and French governments on 7 March 1923, several months before Britain and France assumed their Mandatory responsibilities on 29 September 1923. In accordance with the same process, a nearby parcel of land that included the ancient site of Dan was transferred from Syria to Palestine early in 1924. In this way the Golan Heights became part of the French Mandate of Syria. When the French Mandate of Syria ended in 1944, the Golan Heights remained part of the newly independent state of Syria."

The Survey, a Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine (then under British military occupation/Mandate) for the United Nation Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) in 1946, was still defined by the Palestine Order in Council: "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine." Between October, 1917, and September, 1918, the whole of Palestine was occupied by the Allied Forces under General Allenby and placed temporarily under a British military administration known as the Allied Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA). If you go to the Survey of Palestine prepared by Government of Palestine you will find it is all about the Mandate.


Border with Egypt

The international border between the Ottoman Empire and the British Empire was drawn in 1906. According to the personal documents of the British colonel Wilfed A. Jennings Bramley, who influenced the negotiations, the border mainly served British military interests—it furthered the Ottomans as much as possible from the Suez Canal, and gave Britain complete control over both Red Sea gulfs—Suez and Aqaba, including the Straits of Tiran. At the time, the Aqaba branch of the Hejaz railway had not been built, and the Ottomans therefore had no simple access to the Red Sea. The British were also interested in making the border as short and patrollable as possible, and did not take into account the needs of the local residents in the negotiations.

The 1949 Armistice Agreement between Israel and Egypt was ratified on February 24, 1949. The armistice line between these countries followed the international border except along the Gaza Strip, which remained under Egyptian occupation.

The Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty, signed on March 26, 1979 created an officially recognized international border along the 1906 line. A dispute arose over the marking of the border line at its southernmost point, in Taba. Taba was on the Egyptian side of the armistice line of 1949, but Israel claimed that Taba had been on the Ottoman side of a border agreed between the Ottomans and British Egypt in 1906, and that there had previously been an error in marking the line. The issue was submitted to an international commission composed of one Israeli, one Egyptian, and three outsiders. In 1988, the commission ruled in Egypt's favor, and Israel returned Taba to Egypt later that year.

Egypt withdrew any claim to the Gaza Strip. The border between Israel and the Gaza Strip is subject to further negotiations.

Border with Jordan

The Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace was signed on October 26, 1994. The treaty resolved territorial and border issues that were ongoing since the 1948 war. The treaty specified and fully recognized the international border between Israel and Jordan. Upon its signing, the Jordan andYarmouk Rivers, the Dead Sea, the Emek Ha'arva/Wadi Araba and theGulf of Aqaba were officially designated as the borders between Israel and Jordan, and the border between Jordan and the territory occupied by Israel in 1967. For the latter, the agreement requires that the demarcation use a different presentation, and that it carry the following disclaimer:

"This line is the administrative boundary between Jordan and the territory which came under Israeli military government control in 1967. Any treatment of this line shall be without prejudice to the status of the territory."

(See: Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty, Annex I, Israel-Jordan International Boundary Delimitation and Demarcation.[18])

In 1988, Jordan withdrew any claim to the West Bank. The border between Israel and the West Bank will be negotiated between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Border with Palestine

There has been no productive negotiations with the authorities in the State of Palestine concerning the establishment of borders. The PLO-Negotiations Affairs Department sees the 1967 border (not further identified) is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

The green is Palestine. The rest is Israel. What's so hard to understand about that???

The only way those armistice lines can become borders is a signed agreement between Israel and Palestine.

I don't believe that has ever happened.

And yet Palestine is under an obligation to negotiate mutual borders with all of its neighbours after declairing their intentions to do so last year.

Do you have a link for that?

Palestine has no border dispute with any of its neighbors.

Yes it is in the Palestinian declaration of independence

Could that be because they have no borders yet, having never negotiated any under un res 242. ( again part of their declaration )

Could you quote the passages?

Palestinian Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The declaration was accompanied by a PNC call for multilateral negotiations on the basis of UN Security Council Resolution 242. This call was later termed "the Historic Compromise",[11] as it implied acceptance of the "two-state solution", namely that it no longer questioned the legitimacy of the State of Israel.[10]

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

That map is outdated. Look at mine.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

That one is outdated too. Resolution 181 was a non binding recommendation. It was not implemented by the Mandate or the Security council. It never happened.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Did that. Now you need to do it.

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

 

[Phoenall]

When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ? Or are you unable to answer this question truthfully ?

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this over and over again, does not make it any more sound or valid. Just more disinformation by the Palestinians to justify their hostile activity.

(OBSERVATION)

UNITED NATIONS Department of Public Information, Press and Publications Bureau, Lake Success, New York

Press Release PAL/169 Source: United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC)
17 May 1948

EXCERPT: "During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

UN Document A/43/827 S/2027 18 November 1988

Annex III --- Declaration of Independence

EXCERPT:

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

UN Document A/53/879 S/1999/334 25 March 1999

Letter dated 25 March 1999 from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General

EXCERPT:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

UN Document A/RES/67/19 4 December 2012

67/19. Status of Palestine in the United Nations wherein the General Assembly decides to accord to Palestine non-member observer State status in the United Nations

EXCERPT: "Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,"​

(COMMENT)

I've cited four (4) key historical documents that extend over a range of six (6) decades that reference General Assembly Resolution 181(II) of 29 November 1947. Things that "never happened" are not normally cited as:

• Having been "implemented" in an official public announcement.
• Recognized by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as having "international legitimacy."
• Acknowledged by the sole representative of the Palestinian People as "becoming acceptable."
• Used as a reference document in the landmark decision to make the "role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as the representative of the Palestinian people."

It should be noticed that the Resolution, of 29 November 1947, has been used as a reference document for over the las 60 years --- and as recently as last month in UN Document A/HRC/28/L.32 25 March 2015 pertaining to the Right of the Palestinian People to Self-Determination:

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 181 A and B (II) of 29 November 1947 and 194 (III) of 11 December 1948, as well as all other relevant United Nations resolutions, including those adopted by the General Assembly, the Commission on Human Rights and the Human Rights Council, that confirm and define the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people, particularly their right to self-determination,​

Most Respectfully,
R

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

 

[Phoenall]

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

So does this mean the UN rule introduced in 1948 to facilitate arab mslim illegal migration should be scrapped. You know the one stating that if an arab muslim says he has been resident in Palestine for two years he is automatically granted Palestinian citizenship ?

Now I wonder how many "Palestinians" have been created by that rule ? ? ? ?

 

[MJB12741]

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

Oh now I get it. It was the Muslim & Christian Palestinians that built Solomon's Temple. Seriously, whether you like Monte of not, ya gotta love him for his great sense of humor. Heh Heh!

 

[toastman]

People mention resolution 181 for political posturing but what does that mean?

Does the UN recognize Palestine on the proposed borders that were never borders like it recognizes Israel on armistice lines that were never borders?

It looks more like a political cluster fuck than a determination of legalities.

The start of the declaration of two nations with borders to be mutually agreed

NO as it never declared any borders. Nor does it recognise Israel on borders that have not been agreed. So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.

So the only borders are those between Israel and Egypt/Jordan that are recognised by any international laws.​

Egypt Israel Peace Treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Israel Jordan peace treaty - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The only treaties in existence that delineate any borders in Palestine the MANDATE

Isn't it interesting how Israel has made a lasting peace with both Egypt & Jordan & neither country will allow their Palestinians any right of return. Golly gee, is it actually possible Egypt & Jordon are releived to now have Israel to deal with their Palestinians?

The Palestinians are from Palestine. They are the indigenous people of Palestine. The Palestinians are not from either Egypt or Jordan, strangely enough, the Palestinian people are from Palestine.

The Jews are European colonizers that are now living on the land that the Christians and Muslim Palestinians had lived on for generations.. Why do continue spewing propaganda?

UNITED
NATIONS
A

• 
  General Assembly

A/364
3 September 1947
OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


SUPPLEMENT No. 11



UNITED NATIONS
SPECIAL COMMITTEE
ON PALESTINE



REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1





Lake Success
New York
1947




"The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year.

The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths."

A 364 of 3 September 1947

More propaganda lies from Monti.

First off, over 40% of Israeli Jews are from the ME/North Africa...NOT Europe.

Second. not every Arab living within the region that is called 'from Palestinian' is actually from the region.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Henceforth, Palestinian nationality was first founded, according to international law, on 6 August 1924. And “treaty nationality in Palestine runs from that date.”139 The Treaty of Lausanne had transformed the de facto status of Palestinian nationality into de jure existence from the angle of international law.140 Meanwhile, the Ottoman Empire ceased to exist.141 Likewise, on 6 August 1924, for the first time ever, international law certified the birth of the ‘Palestinian people’ as distinct from all other peoples.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel​

But did not confer a nation on Palestine so does not make Palestine a nation until 1988 when the arab muslims finally realised they would lose everything the way they were going. Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation. Also this is by the islamonazi propagandist that alters the wording of treaties until the match his personal view of events.

So keep trying and answer the question When did the state of Palestine come into existence according to International law ?

Your cut and paste talks of Palestinian nationality and not a Palestinian nation.​

Oh jeese!

If you ant understand this then it explains why you cant grasp the fact that the Mandate for Palestine set borders for the Mandate and did not declare a nation of Palestine. It is very explicit in this fact that you ignore because it destroys your POV.

The Mandate was the trustee for Palestine. It had the authority to act on the behalf of Palestine.

A trustee has no ownership it just has control limited by the rules of the trusteeship.

You are mixing up MANDATES again

Mandate for Palestine a legal piece of legislature by the LoN that set out the conditions of the mandated power.
British mandate a set of rules issued by the LoN on how Britain was to administer the mandate.

The first is International law
The second is the implementation of that law.

If you cant understand this then might I suggest you do a remedial course in English comprehension and recent History

You say there are two mandates.

Links?