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Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party
The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.So?RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
(COMMENT)Irrelevant post. Do the people in the US have a commonly shared definition of themselves?
But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:
The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:
So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.
- American Indian or Alaska Native
- Asian
- Black or African American
- Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
- White
- Other
The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.
Most Respectfully,
RAnd they are all Palestinians. They all share that.We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.
Such impressive concision.
The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.
My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.
It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.
The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.
No, terrorist is an Israeli name calling thing.A rose by any other name...RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: The Arab Palestinians (West Bank and Gaza Strip inhabitance as a collective) seem to be picking up their own individual identity.
In the beginning, we generally referred to the violence in the Middle East as the "the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946." The conflict has irreparably harmed the regional Arab constituency
SOURCE: [link] Last Sentence from the Forward of The Question of Palestine and the United Nations •The Forward in the Blue Book - The Question of Palestine and the United Nations said:A comprehensive database with full-text documentation of the role of the United Nations system and other international and non-governmental organizations relevant to the Question of Palestine and the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946 is available, with a directory of linked sites, at UNISPAL-United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine.
◈ And it was not all that uncommon as to refer to the people as: "Arab inhabitants of Palestine"
◈ And it was generally referred to (in theat same time frame) as: The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs.
(COMMENT)And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
As an outside observer, I am beginning to see a distinction being made between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" seeing themselves as:
◈ Arab Palestinians (AKA: Arab Palestinian)
.................................AND
◈ Palestinians (meaning the people of the West Bank) or Gazans (meaning the people of the Gaza Strip)
I say this → only because, at a distance, it would appear that the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" is beginning to leave behind the association of "Arab" and adopting their own identity: "Palestinian" and "Gazan." → This is not so dissimilar, yet not quite the same as the nomadic Bedouin (Bedu) that see themselves as a desert people more than they do as Arabs. And the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" are in bed with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (of the Islamic Republic) which drives yet the wedge further between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" and the community of "Arabs."
Most Respectfully,
R
You meant to write, “an islsmic terrorist by any other name”.
The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.So?RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
(COMMENT)
But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:
The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:
So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.
- American Indian or Alaska Native
- Asian
- Black or African American
- Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
- White
- Other
The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.
Most Respectfully,
RAnd they are all Palestinians. They all share that.We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.
Such impressive concision.
The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.
My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.
It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.
The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.
The tie that binds.
No, terrorist is an Israeli name calling thing.A rose by any other name...RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
BLUF: The Arab Palestinians (West Bank and Gaza Strip inhabitance as a collective) seem to be picking up their own individual identity.
In the beginning, we generally referred to the violence in the Middle East as the "the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946." The conflict has irreparably harmed the regional Arab constituency
SOURCE: [link] Last Sentence from the Forward of The Question of Palestine and the United Nations •The Forward in the Blue Book - The Question of Palestine and the United Nations said:A comprehensive database with full-text documentation of the role of the United Nations system and other international and non-governmental organizations relevant to the Question of Palestine and the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1946 is available, with a directory of linked sites, at UNISPAL-United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine.
◈ And it was not all that uncommon as to refer to the people as: "Arab inhabitants of Palestine"
◈ And it was generally referred to (in theat same time frame) as: The Jewish case was presented by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, while the Arab Higher Committee spoke for the Palestinian Arabs.
(COMMENT)And they are all Palestinians. They all share that.We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
As an outside observer, I am beginning to see a distinction being made between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" seeing themselves as:
◈ Arab Palestinians (AKA: Arab Palestinian)
.................................AND
◈ Palestinians (meaning the people of the West Bank) or Gazans (meaning the people of the Gaza Strip)
I say this → only because, at a distance, it would appear that the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" is beginning to leave behind the association of "Arab" and adopting their own identity: "Palestinian" and "Gazan." → This is not so dissimilar, yet not quite the same as the nomadic Bedouin (Bedu) that see themselves as a desert people more than they do as Arabs. And the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" are in bed with the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (of the Islamic Republic) which drives yet the wedge further between the "Arab inhabitants of Palestine" and the community of "Arabs."
Most Respectfully,
R
You meant to write, “an islsmic terrorist by any other name”.
The Palestinians received Palestinian citizenship, by international law, in1924.So?RE: Who are the Israelis?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,
We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
(COMMENT)
But I take "Surveys" online quite a bit (generally one day). And they are able to ask the question:
The first question can be a simple Yes/No radio button; the second should include these commonly accepted options:
So we also are able to fit ourselves into nice neat little sub-categories of American. The same can be said for the Age, Education, and Marital Status.
- American Indian or Alaska Native
- Asian
- Black or African American
- Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander
- White
- Other
The Israels can also do the same with their Demographic data collection. And the same can be done in surveys concerning policies and politics.
Most Respectfully,
RAnd they are all Palestinians. They all share that.We are "American!" And in that sense, we all share that.
Actually, no. Both Islamic terrorist franchises of Hamas and Islamic gee-had have alliances with Iran.
Such impressive concision.
The invention of “Pal’istanian” has much much to do with Pan-Arab’ism than it is a colloquial, regional term. The PLO charter identifies the regional Arabs as little more than a part of “Arab’ism” as a politico-religious ideology.
My clear impression is that the mini-caliphates of Gaza’istan and the West Bank are much less “Pal’istanian” (even as viewed by the Arab-Moslem world), and more as proxies of Iran to be used as regional flails against Israel.
It’s interesting to note that alliances are solely shifting, Arabs have an interest in, at the very least, not completely alienating Israel as Iran is seen by the Sunni Arabs as a looming threat.
The treatment of those calling themselves “Pal’istanian”, as demonstrated by neighboring nations to include Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc., should give even someone like you a clue as to the indifference for “Pal’istanians” held by Arabs-Moslems in the region.
The tie that binds.
RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,
Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.
Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party
(COMMENT)
The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).
BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.
It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.
Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R
RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,
Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.
Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party
(COMMENT)
The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).
BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.
It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.
Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R
Thank You for the respect, appreciate it,
people usually just tell Israelis what we should do as if they were no less than a PM.
As far as I understand, Kulanu are more focused on the social issues, in the spirit of the socialist Zionist parties that ruled during the reestablishment of the state. It is curious that much of left-wing positions during those times would be considered mostly right-wing in today's lexicon.
If we look broader, in the Israeli comedy, the right-wing has always relinquished lands, while the left won the major wars. Same with Likud, statements are right wing, actions are at best centrist and in key issues leftist.
Netanyahu voted for the disengagement, gave up Hebron and backpedaled on the metal detectors on the Temple Mount, and most importantly never refrained from his speech at the Bar-Ilan university regarding 2 states.
It's not as simple as it looks at face value.
RE: Who are the Israelis?
※→ et al,
Of course, I preface this comment with the caveat that this is strictly an internal domestic Israeli matter. People like myself have no dog in the fight.
Brig. Gen. Ret. Ram Shmueli, Candidate for Knesset with the Kulanu Party
(COMMENT)
The Likud Party (Netanyahu), while it preaches "conservatism" views at the party platform centered on national and economic liberalistic level → and is actually a "Right-wing" (some say Ultra-Right).
BG Ram Shmueli (Ret IDF) is not a fan of unbridled Zionism. → The Kulanu Party is leaning that way showing some signs of sympathy for a Two-State Solution. But, for that to be even remotely successful, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the idea that it must relinquish more than just Area "A" and the Gaza Strip. It means that some compromise in the way of territorial control and concessions must be considered.
It is my opinion that a cooperative effort between the Likud and Kulanu Parties will only be a matter of convenience. It will break-down when it comes to toxic matters like Zionism.
Just my 200 Indonesian Rupiah worth of Reflection,
Most Respectfully,
R
Thank You for the respect, appreciate it,
people usually just tell Israelis what we should do as if they were no less than a PM.
As far as I understand, Kulanu are more focused on the social issues, in the spirit of the socialist Zionist parties that ruled during the reestablishment of the state. It is curious that much of left-wing positions during those times would be considered mostly right-wing in today's lexicon.
If we look broader, in the Israeli comedy, the right-wing has always relinquished lands, while the left won the major wars. Same with Likud, statements are right wing, actions are at best centrist and in key issues leftist.
Netanyahu voted for the disengagement, gave up Hebron and backpedaled on the metal detectors on the Temple Mount, and most importantly never refrained from his speech at the Bar-Ilan university regarding 2 states.
It's not as simple as it looks at face value.
This is what annoys me, more than almost anything.
People around the world poniticating about the Israelis, telling them what they should do, as if they have the status of the Jews of Nazi Europe.
No rights or standing in the world. Not much has changed.
And an almost schizophrenic attitude towards the Holocaust,
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